NOTE: Sadly, I believe the below word applies to the entire western world – not just America… – Andrew.

by Darren Smith

I am sickened at the state of this country and truly sad that it’s at a point of no return…

The tide has turned and those who seek justice and righteousness are
no longer the majority. Now we are at the time to confess that we let
America and what she stands for slowly slip away while we sought after
comfort and prosperity and self fulfillment.

Our land has become a place of greed and self promotion, shallow
and spiritless. I know as soon as I send this out many will
say to “remove me from your list” or call me unpatriotic, but I’m
beyond the point of restraint and holding back words because they
are controversial and offensive. Political correctness means nothing
to me and I will not be quiet any longer.

Isa 5 is a perfect picture of America today – a nation that lost it’s
soul. We need to admit where we are and what we have become
and quit walking in step with the false notion that we are a “just
nation”. I want to start with the gay issue that dominates our media
today. The very fact that you can’t say that being gay is against
God’s Word is ridiculous, but now as a nation we call – in fact we
promote homosexual activity – call it good. Woe unto a nation
that calls evil good!

I don’t hate homosexuals at all. In fact we reach out to them with
Christ, but I cannot condone their behavior and I will never call it
good when God says it is wrong! Lets move on down the list of

Abortion is considered birth control, not murder. Again – our
nation calls it good for women to be able to choose whether
to have a child or to kill it. The argument is that a woman
should have a right to have control over her own body. But
the very reason they use is faulty at the core. If a woman
has a right to choose what she does with her own body
then why does this nation’s laws have her arrested for being
a prostitute? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying prostitution
is not wrong, but if you are going to hold the position that a
woman has the right to control her body, then be consistent
with what you believe.

The sad truth is that abortion is a several billion dollar industry
that has bought our leaders and they have spent billions
spreading lies with their partners in the media to numb your
minds. Abortion is murder, cut and dry, and its effect on devaluing
human life cannot be reversed. I have met and prayed with scores
of women that themselves were victims of abortion. I have never
met one that was glad they chose to abort, yet as a nation we
call abortion good. Woe unto a nation that calls evil good!

We still say that we are a chosen nation, even though we
have the highest rates of drug use in the world, the highest
alcohol abuse rates in the world, and the highest crime rates.
Do you realize that you are more likely to be killed in Chicago
and many other major cities than you are in a war zone?

What we are seeing is the breakdown of society playing out
before our eyes. The cheapening of life and the increase of
people with no compassion for others multiply at a mind
blowing rate. Why? Because we call evil good and woe is
befalling us as we speak. Yet we as a people are too busy
seeking comfort and entertainment to open our eyes. We
are far more concerned with sharing our opinion on
Facebook, while we post selfies and try to make our life
look interesting to others.

How did we ever come to a point where selfie could ever
become a word – much less an action – we take pride in?
Jesus tells us to be selfless and not to promote our self
with things. People should find us interesting, if we belong
to Christ, because of our love and our actions. We are at a
point in our land where you can’t hold a conversation with a
person because they can’t look at you for looking at their

We celebrate bad behavior by making people famous and wealthy
because we like to watch their bad behavior on TV to entertain
ourselves in a righteous land. Could the Kardashions or Pdiddy or
any others of the hosts be a role model? Would Jerry Springer or
any of the other freakshows get any airplay?… Woe unto a nation
that calls evil good!

We celebrate greed in our nation by our fascination with the
wealthy. Would you trust Donald Trump with your kids? We
give the greedy a prominent position in society because of
what they have and because we are jealous and want or even
think we deserve to have it too.

We have gone so far that we have modeled our churches
after the world and the world’s business plan – the bigger, the
better, the more comfortable, the more holy we are. But truth
can’t be found in this model, nor can courage, just more
entertainment. We even treat the rich better than others so
we can gain from them. Jesus said in Luke that you cannot
measure a man by the abundance of his possessions. But we
still do.

As a nation, we try to tell the rest of the world how to act
when we are a total mess ourselves. We even export our
greed as well as our false doctrines to anyone who will listen.
I will close with this last point. If God’s people would stand for
truth and justice, no matter what the personal cost, we would
make a difference. If men who say they are called to preach
would preach truth instead of feel-good humanism and
prosperity, a fire would ignite that could not be contained.

What has brought us to this point is conforming to the world
instead of conforming to Christ. There is no difference in the
modern church and the world. They are one in the same. The
modern church just feels better about itself after hearing the
motivational speech and the upbeat music a couple times a
week. A real preacher – preaching and living the Gospel – will
cause a stir every time he speaks, instead of not rocking the
comfortable boat he is cruising in.

I really don’t care if you think I’m too radical or that I’m unpatriotic.
I cannot yield to this false system any longer. I will not defend
the actions of a nation and government that has turned it’s back on
God, nor will I defend a church system that has done the same. I’m
looking for people who feel the same way and are willing to stand,
take action and live the Gospel. We can’t wait any longer to act
but nothing good comes without a fight. We need to network
together and make a difference.

-PLEASE COMMENT on this topic below-

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on July 23rd, 2014 at 11:59 am.


139 Replies

  1. Karen Bishop Jul 23rd 2014

    I am in total agreement with this article. We’ve lost our first love in this country and have counted and relied upon our natural mind, which is enmity towards God. We’ve become like that one that said he would take God’s place and was cast out of heaven; Lucifer. There I’ve said it.
    Thank you for this article; I know that you will get a rebuttal but know that if we are doers of the Word and not just readers of the Word we would be promoting the Truth of Who He is!

  2. Amen. We need reformation and restoration. Our prayer should be Psalm 80 as Israel was in the same place of separation from God. Jesus is returning for a holy people separated from this world and its fallen culture. Watch this video on what He is returning for: http://youtu.be/5Bd3OVgaxUU

  3. Michael Kemp Jul 23rd 2014

    Amen to this. Sadly, much the same is true of here in the UK, especially regarding the gay issue and abortion. For years we have been a nation under judgment and it is only by the Lord’s mercy that we continue to survive. God have mercy upon us!

  4. Amen! This is so true! I have felt this way for a long time. I’m so glad I’m not alone. It sickens me to see what goes on in churches today. I really believe that this is the root of our problem. We have bought the lie and sold ourselves to the devil. God forgive us. We need to do what 2 Chronicles 7:14 says.

  5. I find no churches in NH to go to because of these problems. Several of us feel this way. Some compromise and go to the worldly churches, some don’t.

  6. Barb Rohrer Jul 23rd 2014

    Sadly agree as well. Thank you for speaking the truth!

  7. Mercy, you have hit the nail on the head. And when I got down to the part about how church is anymore, you put words to what I have hated for so very long- it’s all entertainment. Thank you for expressing what I have felt for years now.

  8. You really make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be actually something that I
    think I would never understand. It seems too complex and extremely
    broad for me. I am looking forward for your next post, I’ll try
    to get the hang of it!

  9. Jocelyn Wilson Jul 23rd 2014

    Your comments apply to equally to NZ. In fact we have no Bible-belt here and without their voice in society I wonder if NZ is not worse. Plus the fact that many churches are now “emerging” and preach anything other than Christ. Kiwis exalt the rebellious and rejoice when “people get away with it,” but we “don’t rock the boat,” or express disapproval because that is “judging.” rather we pride ourselves on our tolerance and sophistication of our sin Ps 12:8 “The wicked strut freely about when what is vile is honoured among men.” But Jesus has given us a job to do: get the message out of his salvation. It’s frightening to look at the world, but a challenge of great hope and joy to tell others about Jesus. Besides, He’s not coming back until the gospel is preached everywhere. (Mtt 24:14) By his mercy I know where I’m going and I want to take as many others with me as possible.

  10. I agree totally. Preach it! We have been out of the church for years now and have started feeling guilty that we cannot find a church to go to. Have been told that we are wrong, but can’t find one that preaches the whole word of truth as found in the Bible. So we stay home – sad! Cannot believe what some of our formerly revered teachers are now into – Chrislam, unity between protestants and Catholics, not calling sin, sin! And now, our little town is having a weekend Pride event! I better stop before i get carried away! God bless you for speaking the truth!

  11. Marius Burmeister Jul 23rd 2014

    Thank you Darren. It is sad but the truth. The world is not looking for God. They God to look for them. Fear for the living God is to love God with your life and to live Jesus Christ to the world as a living testament. Hope that the prosperity preachers take not that they will be hold accountable. Darren for myself I cant wait for the next post.

  12. Barbara Jul 23rd 2014

    Amen! A hard word but so needed!

  13. Andrew, thank you SO much for posting Darren’s word. He is absolutely right! I have not found a church in the large town I live in that is not just as he is talking about. It’s all about prosperity, entertainment, self, racist…or sound asleep.
    I WILL stand with him in truth – have been and pray God to strengthen me to continue. David Wilkerson’s devotional today spoke of the scoffers who came against Elisha and Elijah in their day when Israel was backslidden, and this country is FULL of spiteful, venomous people whose great pleasure is to attack those who walk with the LORD. The attacks grow more and more savage, and the people more and more lost in their darkness.
    Having said that, there are tiny pockets of Christians who love the LORD and are prepared to stand. As Darren said, he is looking for those who are prepared to stand, take action and LIVE the gospel! I’m with you Darren, God willing, and in His strength.

  14. So goes the church so does the world we are the ones to set the course of this earth so I agree we need to stand up we have been sitting way to long and I have been preaching this for years and the reason you haven’t heard from me is because I have been curcfired no one wants the TRUTH THEY WANT A FORM OF IT WHERE ARE THE PROPHETS OF god ARE THEY ASLEEP OR WHAT WHERE IS THE CRY TO REPENT IN THE BODY OF CHRIST WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE NO SIN YOU LIE PRAY FOR ME THAT THE LORD WILL ALLOW MY VOICE TO BE HEARD WAKE UP YOU SLEEPY LITTLE CHRISTIANS MAKE YOUR MEOW NOW LIKE THE ROAR OF THE LION OF JUDAH WAKE UP CHURCH COME ON JESUS IS COMING AND WE ARE NOT DOING THE FATHERS BUSINESS REPENT

  15. I couldn’t agree more! About the only thing you did not include is Christian support of of what is happening in Israel. How can Christians align themselves in belief with the mass murdering of any people and allegiance to a country that provides the means for its continuation? Further more, we are being lied to by a biased media and by our churches hat have bought into a doctrine of “last days” that is not even Biblical. I had to leave the church years ago to keep from being in strife with others who do not study the Word of God to know the truth. I can’t be part of a church that does not believe the words of Jesus who says “It is finished” and there is no longer Jew nor Greek but one new man in Christ. The condition of our country lies on the shoulders of a church who no longer has any influence because it supports evil and calls it good just as Darren has written. Thank you for this article!!

  16. Shelley E Jul 23rd 2014

    Very sad. Thank you for speaking the truth out loud. Thank all of you who posted before me for speaking out. I know I’m not alone. Last night I watched a funeral video of a work place friend’s brother, and though I never met the man, I found myself weeping over the loss of the person he was. I wondered why I wept over him, a 44 year old gay man who had many physical afflictions that ulimately killed him. He seemed to be a wonderful, loving person, multi-talented and sweet. I was disturbed with myself until I realized I was weeping over him because he was lost to Christ if he never repented of his sin. I hope that he did before the moment of his death, but I will never know and I am so sad for him and for all the wonderful, valuable people out there who allowed themselves to be deceived into believing they are fulfilling themselves with this lifestyle. They need to be “loved into the kingdom”, so to speak, with the Way, the Truth, and the Life plainly lived and spoken before them by those who really love the Lord. Calling good evil and evil good is rampant in this world and I am sad for the loss of souls that it has caused. Thank you for what you said in your article – it was unadulterated truth. May God strengthen His people with His LOVE, heal us of our wounds and put us out there to live and love people one at a time as those who have truly experienced Jesus and not merely as complaining, critical and self-righteous religious church people. I have been one of those long enough, and have left the entertainment filled churches that I was so long involved with. I found no life there, but I’m tired of my own complaining about it and have been convicted to live and love one person at a time as the Father sets them in my path. God bless you all. Yes, 2 Chronicles 2:7 is a place to start for all of us – one at a time.

  17. This article is right on! I have been called to preach and proclaim the Gospel, that is, the Word of truth with no compromise to the masses. There is no time as now to bring a reformation to the USA as well as other dead nations without God and is calling evil good and good evil. God called me to be a modern reformist to restore the Church of Christ to the Biblical roots for the Church has lost its first love and has been infiltrated by the cancer and leaven of worldliness! My friends when will the real Church please stand up? Stand up for the truth of God’s Word, the standard of living and once again live for Christ? I report, you decide? I believe there will never be another revival? For the world per the Bible will continue to fall into the corruption of humanity and immorality of sin, widespread throughout the streets of the world, and the Church for the most part is complacent doing nothing to preach the truth as it is and not the itchy ear feel good message! Not in my pulpit. May God have mercy! Pastor Bob …

  18. Amen! Thank you so much Darren! All said…

  19. I believe I read in the Scripture that “a remnant is saved by grace”. Should we be surprised by what we see and hear. Wait till the growling starts and they turn on us.

  20. AMEN! … Which cannot be said loud enough. Thank you for speaking the truth. Help us Lord!

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  27. Bertha Williams Jul 23rd 2014

    Best article I’ve read in awhile. Sin is rampant in our nation, yet the Church is silent! The message it should be giving is, Repent, Repent, Repent or spend eternity in hell! And the lifestyle of Christians should be the living witness of what they proclaim!

  28. Pastor Gary Nettleship Jul 23rd 2014

    I have preached the Gospel for over 25 years and I couldn’t agree more with this article. I live in Ontario, Canada and there is not a lot of difference in our two nations. My hope and prayer is that in His mercy God will send one more great Awakening to North America before the end. God bless, Gary

  29. Guilty as charged

  30. All the specific issues Darren refers to (abortion, celebrity culture, etc) yes, absolutely correct.
    There’s nothing wrong with being rich, as such, but we need to set the Kingdom of God first, in everything.
    We need to be real with God, indeed.
    Just real.
    We need His love to fill us. Move us. Guide us.
    Guide me, Lord Jesus, in everything.

  31. Chris Bennett Jul 23rd 2014

    Totally agree. How do we get in touch with Darren Smith. Please pass my contact details on to him.

  32. There is no question about the state of the union; neither is there a question about the state of the visible church. All of what the author states has been true for many years and is getting progressively worse. However, please consider his last two sentences.” We can’t wait any longer to act but nothing good comes without a fight. We need to network together and make a difference.” The REAL question is, ‘What or how do we act?” Years ago, the Lord told me to stop talking about the sorry mess of the visible, apostate church.” The Lord said, ” What are YOU going to do about it?” So what does it mean to “act”??? Pass out more tracts? Write to the President? Hold a protest march at the nation’s capital? or??? The answer has been in Scripture in numerous places for hundreds and hundreds of years. My favorite is Joel 2:17:” Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar and let them say, Spare Thy people, O Lord …” First, there is a vast difference between the priests, the ministers of the Lord and the priests who minister to the house (the church). Ezekiel 44 makes that crystal clear. NO AMOUNT of emotional fervor is going to accomplish anything. The priests who minister to the Lord are too few (but the Lord has been building them up for some time now). It is a hidden work. You will not find them in the pulpits. But they MUST weep between the porch (the people) and the altar (the Lord). That is real intercession. I do not know what the author means when he says we must “network” together. One thing is for sure … there will NEVER be a “conference” for the priests, the ministers of the Lord. They will never get together to groan in their spirit and weep before the Lord on behalf of the church. They will never have a natural level network. In fact they will never know who the rest are. The Lord told Elijah (a pretty good man) that He had 7,000 more that he (Elijah) did not know about. Elijah never met any of those 7,000 (with the possible exception of Elisha, but Scripture indicates that Elisha never had the inner character that the Lord had worked into Elijah). Do you think that Elijah ever thought, “O boy! If I could just get together with those other 7,000 we could really get things done”?? Only the Lord can restore the church. And Scripture is clear that He is waiting on His 7,000 to weep between the porch and the altar.

  33. Amanda Jul 23rd 2014

    Yeah!! Even here in SA we are experiencing the purging of the false from the church. Sad to say, but yes, the hoodwinking is going on all over. The Bride is being defiled and much more!

  34. Amen!! This is so true. The church needs more preachers with backbone who are not afraid to speak the truth, and less motivational speakers that are more afraid of losing their money, than they are of God.

  35. Bravo Andrew, No I wont be “zipping it”, i can only agree with U. I live in south west of U.K. We are currently without a church, reliant upon ministry from the internet. Our last church had over 100 folk who came every sunday with no bibles, 10 people each month who came to pray (the prayer meeting is lifeless), the prayer meeting is only ONCE each month yet “witches” meet regularly to pray for the downfall of our nation. In our town we have a “christian ethos charity”, its job is supposed to be to “Go out and meet people and spread the gospel” but how can you spread the gospel when “going out” is the 1 thing you wont do? Equally, accepting of “same sex marriages” by this same group is totally outside of scriptural teaching..Thanks Darren, WE are not alone..bless u…i wont go on otherwise i will type for hours

  36. I just wanted to say THANK YOU and I so needed to hear this today. I work at a church and find it quite interesting that we are suppose to accept everyone for who they are. That we don’t want to hurt feelings or “step on any toes.” It baffles my mind how we have twisted Jesus’ words and the reason He came to die for us, so that we can live the lives we want without consequences? Jesus didn’t tell the woman who was going to be stoned for immorality to “go about her business and live how she wants, no worries.” He told her “where are your accusers/condemners? I do not condemn you either, GO, BUT SIN NO MORE.” God cannot be around sin….PERIOD! Why would He say then that it’s OKAY. Thank you Andrew for speaking out…..I totally agree with you and the Word clearly states that many will fall away during these times; the path is narrow and very few will find it; even Christians themselves will be deceived. I pray each day my God gives me strength to stand up to the truth, and gives me the words to say to that lost one, so they won’t be deceived.

  37. agape love Jul 23rd 2014

    Amen Brother Darren! The Spirit of God is calling forth those who will live out and speak out the true Gospel. Now, if ever, is the time to gird ourselves with courage to do what we have been called to. Let us pray for personal help from God to be salt and light. We need a reformation. We need the Truth to be preached. “Who will go for me?” Says the Lord Almighty. Lord we will, by the grace of God, obey you. Give us fire in our blood and iron in our bones. Let us no more be complacent in our own selfish little world of comfort. We confess that we have not loved our neighbor as ourselves. We ask for all those here and everywhere who love your appearing to do their part. In Jesus name. Amen

  38. Bob Padgett is right.

    The institutional church has failed the world, not so sure it was ever God’s design to be housed in buildings or preached about on TV, but oh man has the “church” done a good job using Jesus to make a buck.

    I expect that the early church felt surrounded by a horribly sinful society. The Greeks endorsed and practiced homosexuality, the Roman’s slaughtered and enslaved … and, oh yeah, they scourged and crucified some innocent men.

    We have this idea that the human race is improving because we have more comforts and technology, games to play and movies to watch, but the world is very obviously becoming less civilized and less humane day by day. Not to mention STUPIDER! Scan the TV channels … American tastes in “entertainment” are downright frightening, sophomoric, putrid, violence-ridden and pornographic.

    As Christians we have salvation and we have truth, and we have help from the Holy Spirit when it comes to being loving. God gives us what we need to live in wholeness and in wholeness of community. But we don’t have what we need to overcome the evil in our world, especially when the organized church has added its own spin on culture. The war against Satan is for God to fight and win (with us as foot soldiers called into action when needed, to be sure). So we are left with our rather comfortable existence unless of course we are Iraqi Christians or live in the 129 other countries where 100 million Christians are discriminated against.

    As westerners, the irony of being a Christian now is that the institutional church and TV preachers (I say TV preachers because everybody has seen them even if they’ve never been to a church) have made the truth of the gospel seem laughably commercial and self-serving. Few people have the discernment to separate the package from its contents, to seek the kernel of truth inside the big box church. And most people don’t even care about the truth anymore.

    Yes, the world is getting more and more psychedelic and insane. Perhaps it’s time for Christians to retreat and work on being a community that offers a real alternative to the madness. Sounds kind of like the early church, doesn’t it?

  39. Jackie Garbrick Jul 23rd 2014

    Amen! Very well said! The church in America is nothing more than a social center. I have a hard time with even the pastors jumping on to every new teaching that comes along. Most of it is new age… We need to get back in the Word. So much deception!

  40. America is truly under the judgement of God, she has been turned over to her own lusts and the spirit of Baal has overtaken her she no longer needs God, she thinks she is rich and in need of nothing, she will build her own kingdom which I believe to be the New Babylon,

    Revelation 18
    “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached[b] to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6
    America will fall she will burn, as pastor David Wilkerson saw in a vision of New York burning.
    Saints I say this with great sorrow and also great fear, for God has appointed a day of her destruction.
    The Whore of Babylon.was birthed within her borders, The apostate church!!! whom has poisoned the earth with her abominations.
    Revelation 17
    3 So the angel took me in the Spirit[a] into the wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that had seven heads and ten horns, and blasphemies against God were written all over it. 4 The woman wore purple and scarlet clothing and beautiful jewelry made of gold and precious gems and pearls. In her hand she held a gold goblet full of obscenities and the impurities of her immorality. 5 A mysterious name was written on her forehead: “Babylon the Great, Mother of All Prostitutes and Obscenities in the World.” 6 I could see that she was drunk—drunk with the blood of God’s holy people who were witnesses for Jesus. I stared at her in complete amazement.

    Yes she will hate Christ saints.

    PRAISE GOD, he has a precious remnant who are dead and totally dedicated to him, who love him more than life himself. His end of days witness, many will die for their testimony of Jesus Christ, only to be immediately under the alter of God.
    May I say the hardest thing for the true saint of God is to witness the great apostasy and so many around them falling away, only God and the Holy Spirit can comfort a saint whom it hurts so much, however God knows exactly what he is doing, see the remnant is held by the very hand of God she has been ruined for him, her eyes are on him alone, she seeks him cries out to him, and knows him intimately he strengthens her for the battle ahead. He is her rock, her salvation she walks in a steadfast andt unshakable faith knowing he will never leave nor forsake her no matter what the situation.
    My prayer is we whom are his get real SERIOUS, truly surrender the flesh, after all scripture bears out we have died with Christ in our baptism, sin is no longer our master. The flesh brings death the spirit brings life.
    May the love of God fill us with an everlasting love and devotion walking in obedience to the one whom shed his precious blood so that we may be saved. May the love for God increase so as we be filled with love for those whom are beginning to fall for those whom are lost for the hurting the sick and oppressed. His true nd the gospel of salvation while it is still day! his disciple bringing a hope in a vey dark world, his light.
    It is a hard thing to see what is happening in America, but it is prophecied to happen, please let us pray for Christ’s precious remnant,, Daily!

  41. Sandy Milks Jul 23rd 2014

    Amen! Count me in that network! There are others like me in the US that seek holiness and to be instained by the world, and God is joining us together to be one as He (Jesus) is one with the Father, and God has been showing me how he’s restoring that pure love in Christ for each other, and how much we need each other in these last days! Hebrews 10:24. 1 Peter 1:22.

  42. Andrew Jul 24th 2014


    Very sorry that this website was taken down by the Web host. It was down for hours. My apologies.

    Blessings to all.

    Andrew Strom

  43. Dee Stus Jul 24th 2014

    Totally agree with this article. How do we stop what is going on? How can we? On an idividual basis we can tell people we meet about Jesus but we need to join together as the unsaved have done. Israel, Brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus should be joined together for what is coming to this world. Things are going along as scripture said it will.

  44. Ruth Sluder Jul 24th 2014

    I not only agree with you that this country has made a turning point where there is no longer a majority with morals and biblical standards but I believe the church is still sitting idol to everything. No calls for prayer, no repentance, yet they cry out for us to do the right thing and let illegals in. Really? I find that totally opposite of scripture and find that judgment is here. We have to keep praying and fighting to bring revival to the dead bones. We cannot give up on America. Not on everyone. Call for prayer and fasting folks. Open your homes to prayer groups now.

  45. Hi –

    We’ve known for 2,000 years that in the last days (which started when Peter preached at Pentecost) things would wax worse. God is neither surprised nor dismayed. We still have work to do. Let’s not quit. There is still a harvest going on.

    Andrew: please forward my email to Darren so I can get on his list.

    God takes no joy in the death of the wicked, nor should we. But we’re called to neither discouragement nor to patriotic fervor, nor to a guilt trip. I’ve been reading Arthur W. Pink, who saw the sin and corruption of his world back in 1918. But God is sovereign, He is in control, and He will be glorified.

    So live soberly but don’t feel guilty about what “the church” has allowed itself to become, nor about the overwhelming majority of our fellow-travelers who have chosen the broad way that leads to destruction. Jesus told us all this in advance. He will return and all will be well.

  46. DonaldN Jul 24th 2014

    What Darren said is very true. BUT… I believe it is too late. I have been reading Isaiah and Jeremiah for a few months. What I see is a nation that was so compromised, so corrupt, so apostate that God would have no more of it. It was God who brought Babylon against Israel. They said they wanted to be like the nations around them. They wanted to serve the gods of the world around them. They wanted to dress and act like the world around them. God said enough!
    The Church is saying the same things. They dress like the world, act like the world, serve the world’s gods. I believe God has said enough again. Only this time the nation is not America, not Australia, NZ, Germany or England. The nation is His peculiar people, His nation. The Church is so corrupt, so compromised that if you read Jeremiah with the thought of comparing what he said about Israel as being the same as today’s Church, it is an exact duplicate. I believe it is God, once again, bringing Babylon against His nation. I am referring to Islam. It is taking over everything that once was controlled by Christians. It is surrounding “New Jerusalem” and besieging it. It will soon take over, just as Babylon took over Jerusalem. The remnant of Israel went into captivity along with the rest. They stayed faithful to God, even while living in a foreign land. That is my advice for all of you. Do not fight against God. Go peacefully and be submissive to Islam. Just don’t bow down to their god. Read the advice Jeremiah gave to Israel. That advice is for us now.

  47. Would honestly love to hear a bible teaching about ‘nations’ and see where scripture (NT) asks the Church to be concerned about how a nation loses or gains it’s soul.

    We know Jesus died for souls. The world is the field, and there’ll be chaff and wheat. How does a collective group of souls from one nation get saved all at once? Can we really rely on our forefathers? How do we know for sure they lived for the Lord? Do we know their hearts. Can we put our trust in them for our salvation?

    I was taught about individual salvation. Can nations really get saved? Please someone, I’ll receive anything that the Word teaches, but I need to see how this format is drawn from New Testament scripture.

    I always believed The Bride of Christ, His Church, is the only collective group where all souls belong to him, not to a nation, tribe or specific geography, or even a writ by founding fathers. Christ draws men to Himself; can he also draw a country to Himself? Are we asked to carry the responsibility of souls of sinners of our nation? Should we fear what sinners do to our nation? Is that what the Great Commission is about? If one person in that country sins, does that mean that all the rest of the people suffer punishment? If 90 percent of that nation live for Jesus, does that mean that He’ll let the others go free and figure that 90% is good enough, so he’ll save the whole lot?

    If it’s 50-50, half live for Jesus and the other half don’t, how does the Lord save that nation collectively? Will he, on Judgment Day, call out Americans or other nationalists by name, as American John Smith? Or John Smith, Blood-Bought by the Lamb of God? Will a segment of the population be saved because George Washington put a flag on U.S. soil, or will Canada be saved because Jacques Cartier dedicated that land to Christ?

  48. Joseph & Lory Jul 24th 2014

    The children of God are led by the Spirit of God. Your article is correct in its assessment. This is the end of the age, God is in control, His Word is being fulfilled, and His Kingdom is near. This is a time of deepening darkness and deception is abounding. However, the children of God are Truth tellers who overcome by the Blood of the Lamb, the Word of our testimony, and we do not love our lives so as to shrink from death. Our major battle is in the heavenly realm and our weapons are not carnal. Our Law is Kingdom Love and our weapon is the Sword of the Spirit, the Truth of the Word of the Living God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. May we all be about our Lord’s business…as citizens of the Kingdom of God.

  49. Teereeme Jul 24th 2014

    I agree, and sometimes we sound so much like Babylon in Revelation.
    Nations commit harlotries with us.
    I am waging war on facebook, with scriptural truth, and challenging the fad false teachings.
    I can’t believe how people do not know the foundationals of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
    I also believe this nation is just a reflection of the condition of it’s church.
    I can’t find any churches I would take my family to.
    I was raised in a pentecostal church, with grandfather and father pastors.
    I never found Jesus til I was 42 years old. I had not been involved in church since I had been 25. Church had changed so much. I worked with many ministries, God tv, TBN. I was involved with the Lakeland ministries, before Lakeland, and a year later, I severed myself fully from them, restudying the bible with a humbled and soft heart.
    Ever since then, I have fought a spiritual battle against the religion that 2 John 1 describes as not abiding in the doctrine of Jesus Christ, don’t let them in your house, and do not bid them godspeed, less you partake in their evil.
    I agree with all of what was written, and the mainstream church, I believe is being judged and as a result is in strong delusion.

  50. Abortion and homosexuality have been around since man’s creation. It’s not a western specialty. Slavery and colonialism and displacing aborigines and killing and warring for ‘freedom’ or for world conquest is sin.

    Governments will come and go and sin abounds in every corner of the world. Nothing we can do to stop sin, it will continue until Jesus comes. We cannot do one thing to save the world or a nation. All we can do is continue in His grace and carry out the great commission, live the the fruit and the gifts of the Spirit and occupy until He comes.

    Why is it so important for a christian to be concerned with how it’s nation views abortion or homosexuality? What is the true motive of an individual when they ask that question or worry about it? Where is faith? If more sin abounds and precipitates God’s wrath, and we are part of the collateral damage, shouldn’t we be happy that we’ll see Jesus sooner than later? All the people I meet who really love the Lord want Him to come, or they say this world has nothing to offer them and all they want is to be with Him. They aren’t worried about this temporal life.

    Abortion and homosexuality has been done 50 years ago in secret and now it’s being done in full view. Does it matter to God whether it’s done in secret or accepted by a government? Sin is sin and government-sponsored sin won’t hurt a nation more than secret sin. Well, so far, I can’t come up with scripture to prove that (under the New Law through Jesus Christ).

    We are no longer under the Old Law, our job is not to say “I touch not the unclean thing”, but our job is to go that the unclean and oppressed and afflicted and ‘dirty’ (as we once all were), and addicted to all sin (porn, unfaithfulness, adultery, incest, child abuse, and yes, all the other perversions). One perversion isn’t any worse than another. Small sins don’t give extra stars to a nation in the Book of Life. Small sins can just be as damaging to a nation as bigger sins and in fact, all sin is sin and I don’t believe the Lord has a scale to measure each one with. The Blood covers all of them.

    I believe the repentence we need to do (speaking to myself too here), is asking for the Lord’s forgiveness for the shoddy example of Christ we’ve become to the world. We care more about bringing about prosperity, blessings and abundant living here on earth at the expense of pointing fingers (constantly) at two specific sins. Are christians really worried about the female abortionists’ souls and the gay/lesbians’ souls, or that they might cause the Lord’s anger and take away their prosperous lifestyle?

  51. Truth speaks . It has a voice and we’ve heard it. True conviction demands a response. God deserves a response. Jesus’s blood was not spilt in vain. Not excuses, causes, but pure repentance needs to heard in heaven from here on earth.
    this is not about religious acknowledgment and confession but rather a turning in heartfelt humility ,seeking God in honesty, admitting our wrongs and asking God for forgiveness. If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves…. We have the directive; now is the time….not just the “on behalf ” but personally taking personal ownership of our individual wrongs. Getting Real before OUR God !

  52. Sorry don’t want to hijack this post, this will be my last. I failed to explain in earlier comments some things. First, Darren Smith is correct and I agree with what he says somewhat.

    But my observations are, and they could be totally wrong, but they are that the problem is not that the U.S. church is compromising with truth, it’s that the church has been hijacked by angry militant-types who everyday on christian sites call out homosexuality and angrily argue with them, sounding very phariseeical. Then then turn the blame on increasing homo lifestyle to their leader or leaders. Then, the barrage of anti-leader comments come in, from self-professed christians, who set out to say every nasty mean thing they can come up with to attack a secular leader. Every day there are half a dozen christian authors who post articles on gay/lesbian lifestyle and how it’s hurting their agenda, laying blame to their President, yet they don’t seem to care about anything else. That isn’t preaching truth. It’s using a public platform to get votes. They quote politicians who endorse their pastors or pastors who endorse politicians and turn ‘telling it like it is’ into a propaganda machine. Commenters then are invited to comment. There’s got to be a better way to discuss this issue; it shouldn’t be to talk about these sins and angrily accuse and say they’re going straight to hell. We shouldn’t even be commenting on others’ sins in such glib fashion. It’s entertainment, or a way for angry christians to get off some steam, but it’s that part of the church that is vocal, and like Darren says, “seeking justice and righteousness”. Their idea of seeking righteousness is bullying. But in their zeal to seek justice and righteousness, they accomplish little if anything else, because they lay all the nation’s problems at the feet of the gays and feminists. They speak like pharisees. I disagree on this point with Darren, that the church is failing to speak out. It’s speaking out but too loudly and clear and not in the spirit of really wanting to minister to these people, but turning the gospel into a “let’s turn on gays today” circus, where everyone thinks they are a preacher, but haven’t been called (which is pretty obvious) especially when they blame ‘liberals’ and those nasty communists and gays as curse and a blight on their exceptional nation.

    This unchristian attitude coming from the church today is hurting Christ’s cause. Everyone on internet has self-appointed themselves to be the holiness police and with great glee, call a gay person out, saying, “if you don’t like our rules, get out of the country, you’re going to hell”.

    This is one of the problems, critics and spiritual policement who choose internet to gather their posse’s to go after the ‘sinners’, where they feel protected in numbers, ganging up on unsuspecting honest gays who come on the christian blogs to hopefully get some insight, only to be shunned.

  53. A network could be a good start, but with pastors who don’t let laiety control the atmosphere with ‘politics’; and preach about sin with conviction power, never allowing politics come into the discussion. Once a pastor allows politics to invade his sermons, or panders to generous tithers with a political agenda, he’s opened a Pandora’s box of political spirits that invade. And their only agenda is to divide, confuse, invoke a riot, and calls to impeach their leaders, with tight fists and dangerous rhetoric.

  54. 2 Timothy chapter 3

  55. BRAVO for a man who is not afraid to speak the truth. I pray everyone who uses FB….(I do not)……….will post this for the world to see and read. This a message that needs and deserves to be posted, retold over and over again until we as a nation finally get the message. We are a nation already under judgement……all one has to do is look around to see/witness the degradation that has besieged our country and the world as well. GOD is true to HIS word……read in Deut about HIS words concerning blessings and curses. We cannot hide from GOD……HE is there whether one chooses to believe or not……HE is truly there and this is not a world that blesses HIM or makes HIM proud. BEWARE!!!! The wrath of the living GOD is not a pleasing site.

  56. I agree more with you. The problem with us the followers of Christ we are no longer people of the way like the first church the world has turned Christian world upside down.
    This is a high time that we stand for the truth not only by lip service but by deeds.
    We have to preach the gospel of repentance.

  57. Richard Jennings Jul 24th 2014

    I couldn’t agree more though I am believing that God will visit America one last time to bring in the last day harvest. We must war in the spirit and stand firm in the flesh. Thanks for your willingness to take a stand and not compromise. Please keep me on your mailing list. Sincerely in His service Richard Jennings

  58. Wow, thank God I’m not the only one that can see this!
    This is true in Australia as well, and only seems to be getting worse.
    I don’t go to any Church anymore either, as the “Truth” isn’t what seems the goal anymore.
    John 1 :17, For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
    What is not being preached any more, is the Ten Commandments.
    People see this as being a punishment and that we have been set free from the law.
    The tuth is, the Ten Commandments are actually, how to love God and how to love your neighbour 101!
    The law was added, because of trangressions, the truth is that the Commandments show us how to love, and not be selfish.
    Many Churches teach that if you keep the Commandments, you are under the law, yet there was two covenants made with Israel in the desert, one at Horeb,(the ten Commandments) and one at Moab, (the law of Moses) (Deut. 29:1)
    Jesus said that the truth would make us free, not grace.
    By grace we come into the New Covenant, the truth of the Law, that is that God puts the Law (Commandments) in our hearts and writes them on our minds, (Heb:8:8-12, 10:16-17)
    If you look at the law through the flesh, you will come up with the same conclusion as the Grace teachers (and the Pharisees), if you look at the law through the Spirit, it becomes a law of liberty, as James calls it, and I feel the same gratitude for the Commandments as reflected in Psalm 19 and Psalm 119.
    When we tell people about Jesus, they always think we are judging them, when in reality, we are loving them.
    If we can show people that keeping the Commandments is the will of God, and that is to love one another, then we would be on a much surer footing.
    When we try to tell some people, they accuse us of judging them and we end up defending something that we are not even doing, and the opportunity is lost.
    If we preach a “feel good” gospel, we may get some to listen, but when difficulty comes, they will fall away.
    The enemy has done a good job on the world, and especially in the Church.
    What do you think, or who do you think is behind all this?
    May I offer a suggestion? It is the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction.
    I am open to direction here, but I know I am in good company, as I trust your insights.
    Daniel says,(Dan. 8, 10:20) about this person/god, that he is from Greece, as does revelation, that he will deceive many, that he will magnify himself.
    In Dan 11:21-45, is another description of him, and referred to again in Dan. 12.
    Jesus said that even the elect might be deceived at this time.
    So who is this antichrist, may I suggest that it is the greek god Dionysus.
    Firstly, let me just say, that God in Exod. 12:12 and Num 33:4, as well as many other places, acknowledges other gods, Moses calls them demons in Deut. 32:16-17.
    Have a look what is happening in the world and have a look at what this Dionysus is the god of.
    He is the god of wine, (and you don’t have to drink wine to get drunk on this spirit. you just have to receive it.)
    He is the god of vegetation, ie, the god of the greenies. He was worshipped in the woods.
    He is the god of theatre, (I’ll let you fill in the blanks here.!)
    He is the god of ritual madness.
    He is the god of homo-sexuality.
    He is the god of pleasure.
    He is the god of religious ecstasy.
    He is the god of fertility.
    He is the god of the arts.
    Dionysus is represented by city religions as the protector of those who do not belong to conventional society and thus symbolizes everything which is chaotic, dangerous and unexpected, everything which escapes human reason and which can only be attributed to the unforeseeable action of the gods
    He was also known as Bacchus (/ˈbækəs/ or /ˈbɑːkəs/; Greek: Βάκχος, Bakkhos), the name adopted by the Romans[12] and the frenzy he induces, bakkheia. His thyrsus is sometimes wound with ivy and dripping with honey. It is a beneficent wand but also a weapon, and can be used to destroy those who oppose his cult and the freedoms he represents. He is also called Eleutherios (“the liberator”), whose wine, music and ecstatic dance frees his followers from self-conscious fear and care, and subverts the oppressive restraints of the powerful. Those who partake of his mysteries are possessed and empowered by the god himself.[13] His cult is also a “cult of the souls”; his maenads feed the dead through blood-offerings, and he acts as a divine communicant between the living and the dead.[14]
    He was behind the teachings of Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, who was a German philologist, philosopher, cultural critic, poet and composer.
    He hated the God of the Jews, as he believed that before Him, everything that was strong, good-looking, rich and powerful, etc, was considered to be good, but when the God of the Jews came along, everything that was weak or poor or humble was good and everything that was considered good before, became bad, and that that was bad, became good.
    Dionysus, was the Uberman, or super man, and was what he considered, was all the things that men should aspire to.
    His teachings inspired Hitler and we know how that turned out!
    Carl Jung had a vision or dream of Dionysus when he was a kid and his teachings on human psychology and psychiatry, are based on the Greek gods, Dionysus and Apollos.
    He said that these days, we have names for all our diseases, in the old days, they were called gods, or attributed to the gods.
    He even said that this was the age of Dionysus, and he was right.
    In my estimation, everything that is happening in the world at this time, has the fingerprints of Dionysus all over it.
    There is a study called “Mythology and the coming great deception.” which is very interesting on Youtube.
    I have only touched on this, but there is much much more to find out, like how Jeroboam set up high places for the satyrs and calves which he worshipped. (2 Chron.11:15.)
    Satyrs were always with Dionysus and Dionysus was another god of resurrection who was strongly linked to the bull. In a worship hymn from Olympia, at a festival for Hera, Dionysus is also invited to come as a bull, “with bull-foot raging.” “Quite frequently he is portrayed with bull horns, and in Kyzikos he has a tauromorphic image,” Walter Burkert relates, and refers also to an archaic myth in which Dionysus is slaughtered as a bull calf and impiously eaten by the Titans. (Wiki)
    Please do your own study on this, I may be wrong, and would appreciate your input.

  59. lauderdale Jul 24th 2014

    At some point we have to make a choice, will I follow God are not? I have come to the point that I have to choose. But in order for me to do this I have to take a stand and that’s not easy to do, you see in order for me to do that, I cannot stand by and watch things go on as there are. I must speak out about what I see going on in the church today. I have come to the point that holding back words because they are controversial are may seem offensive to some is no longer an option. Political correctness means nothing to me and I will not be quite any longer. I no longer can condone this false system any longer.
    When I look at the church around the world today it breaks my heart. The tide has turned and those who seek righteousness are no longer the majority. In fact most of the church has slipped into a comfort zone and now seek comfort, prosperity and self fulfillment. Greed and self promotion have now become the norm. Jesus tells us not promote ourselves we should be selfless.
    We have modeled our churches after the world’s business plan. Most believe that bigger is better, as if that makes us more holy. We now measure someone by the abundance of their riches are possessions. Even thou Jesus tell us not to in Luke.
    In today’s church we have lost the fear of God, and by default we have lost the gospel as well. There is such an open acceptance of sin in the church that it’s a shame that we can call ourselves Christians. In fact I Witten two books on the subject, which goes in to more detail on this.
    We have opened the church for the sinner to come in freely and they have brought their sin with them and we have let them keep it. No longer do we hold them accountable for their sin, we let them continue in their sin for whatever reason. We will pat them on the back and say that’s ok God’s grace will cover you, never expecting are helping them to come out of their sin.
    How can I say this, let me ask you, how is it that homosexually has made it to the pulpit? The very fact that you can’t say that being gay is against God’s word is disgraceful, how can we as a Christian call is good let alone allow it in the pulpit. Please understand I don’t hate homosexuals, in fact I believe we should reach out to them, but we should do it with Christ. The church cannot and should not condone this type of behavior, let alone say its ok when God says it’s wrong.
    We even have minster’s that are clearly not living the Christian lifestyle. Take a look around you at the world and the church is their much difference? In fact most churches have become nothing more than a social club, after all it’s all about what I can get, not what I can do in this day and age.
    We go to church and get all worked up because of the praise and worship, are the message was good, and we say God has moved today, and we go on thinking we are ok. But we barely even feel a touch of God. We have failed and don’t even know it.
    We are so immersed in our sin and, have lived with it for so long that we no-longer see it as sin. The church has become a place of greed and self promotion, shallow, spiritless, and ultimately without God. If you would read Isa. 5 you can see it applies to the church today. Some have even turned to the world for help and not God, looking toward man to meet our needs. Even letting man tell us what we can do and cannot do. We are afraid to speak-out when we see sin because of what might be said, in doing so we condone the sin.
    How can we as Christians tell the rest of the world about God when we are in a total mess ourselves, we must repent and turn back to God and his word before it’s too late. They are still a small amount of true men and women of God that hold too Him and his Word. And they are about to rise up and take a stand for God that will rock the church as we know it. They will take a stand for truth and justice, no matter what the personal cost. They will point always too God and his word and are not afraid of the world are men.
    We must remember that Christ is coming back for a bride (the church) without spot are wrinkle to take home with him. What you must ask yourself now is, are you ready to take a stand of God are not? One thing that we must remember is that that to God’s eye sin is sin they are no sin that is grater that the other, all sin is an abomination to God.
    If men and women who call themselves Christians would turn back to God, and men who call themselves preachers would stop preaching feel-good messages and prosperity, and start preaching the word of God, then we would see a fire ignite that could not be contained.
    Now is the time for us to repent and turn back to God, time for us to lay down our lives for Him and serve Him. Now more than ever it’s time for revival and it will only began when we fall down and repent of our sins to God. Turn back to Him and serve Him as we should. God is looking for people who are willing to take a stand for Him willing to lay down their lives for Him. For indeed it’s coming but will you be a part of it are will you be left behind. As for me I will take a stand.

  60. Wow! there is an insidious evil in the country that is worsening; young people, celebs, bankers, govt officials, researchers and media people are being bumped off; check the ages and lack of cause of death. The heart of man has gone cold; people are starting to spy and rat each other out for personal advantage and out of fear similar to nazi era. people have a complete lack of integrity and justice is a joke. The puppet leaders are programmed; how can these ‘elite’ even enjoy the fruit of their ill begotten gain? Witchcraft has taken over both the government and the churches. Watching the blinded zombie audiences at mega churches and kundalini togethers is appalling. Everything is dumbed down and people are easily diverted by non important issues; knee jerk liberals and bully cons are equally disturbing. People need to forsake idols, abandon sorcery and FOLLOW DIRECTIONS from God – IN HIS WORD. Build the altar for God and not ones self. Get the word out and find those seekers with the message who have not become totally blinded. Glad there are still a group who have not bowed the knee to Baal and the other fake non-gods in books of Kings and Samuel, etc. Pray!

  61. Keep up the good work.
    Where I live I would be treated better if I was a terrorist. When I mention what the lord has done for me or my experiences which are many, I get a cold stare of such unbelief. I may as well been an UFO person. I have not found any true believers for the past decade. Such turmoil we live in. I made the mistake of moving to a small hamlet 2 years ago where most of the farmers are mulity-millionaires but too cheap to hire extra help. To them $10 is good money if you have nothing (what a joke) and they think they are saved probably sprinkled when they were babies, you know the type. Wish I never moved here, such ungodly people appeared to be good on the outside but rotten to the core. It will take a lot of hard work and more suffering to have them even listen to the truth. I like your stand on unrighteous living.

  62. Carolyn Weeks Jul 24th 2014

    I can see Darren Smith’s point about the need for repentance, but when the focus is on only the worldliness of the church in America, abortion, and homosexuality, and the cure is to stand up for what’s right I’m left confused and frustrated. This is exactly what I see everyday from many if not most of Christians today: A fight against abortion and homosexuality done in the spirit of judgement. This is politics and doesn’t even resemble what Christ has called us to. The weapons of our warfare are spiritual, not political.

    Marie, thank you for what you’ve posted! You’ve written what has been in my heart for a long time. You’ve said it all, and beautifully. What we’re to do isn’t to stand up in judgement, but to fall on our knees and pray for our nations leaders, for sinners, and for the opportunity to witness to them of the truth of the Gospel and lead them to Christ. What we are doing in standing against abortion and homosexuality with political fervor, is hurting the cause of Christ. The Word does not call us to fix a nation through laws, but to change the hearts of sinners, to lead them to the One who can change those hearts. Pray, listen to what the Holy Spirit tells you to do, then go and do it in the love of Christ. We don’t need an army to do that. We have our “leader”, Jesus Christ, who has given us His Spirit. Follow Him.

    We need to be cautious not to confuse America with Israel. America isn’t a theocracy, nor is it the promised land, but “the land of the free” where everyone has the right to practice his faith. I believe we’re in danger of accepting America as our kingdom. John 18:36 says “My Kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But NOW my Kingdom is from another place.” Jesus has taught us to live our lives as strangers here in reverent fear. (1 Peter 1:17) He has admonished us to live as aliens and strangers in the world, and to live such good lives among the pagans that though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. (! Peter 2: 13,14) Philippians 3 reminds us that our citizenship is in heaven. We are in the world, but not of it, just as Christ was in the world, but not of it.

    Finally, we’re told in Matthew 25:31-46 how the Lord will judge the nations. The King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world, for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ I think these things are the things that He wants us to do while we are still in the world, and to make disciples of all nations.

  63. I couldn’t agree more! This applies to the church in the west without a doubt. You will also see these people looking for a “rapture’ rather than the “resurrection’ as the hope of the church. Just get involved with people who are dying daily for their faith and see what they think of this western doctrine. We are without a doubt the Laodicean church of Revelations and will feel Gods wrath!

  64. Darren is right but it half the story
    Isaiah said:-
    “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

    The other half is that Darren, and all of us who support what he says her are labeled as evil.
    I was emailed a petition to sign today that is demanding heterosexual “couples ” be allowed to adopt children !!
    Pr Michael

  65. Apologies the spell checker changed my typo to heterosexual i meant homosexual
    Pr Michael

  66. Kevin Stiller. Jul 24th 2014

    Darren Smith. WELL SPOKEN, BROTHER. Kevin Stiller, Brisbane, Australia.

  67. Come out of her my people , lest you be a partaker of her plagues, for her sins have reached to heaven she who has killed the prophets and the saints, and more and more are leaving the great whore every day,as for america she is no different to any other nation, calling herself a christian nation but only shows the works of the devil. What is it say, they worship me with their lips but their hearts are from me. Why do so many pick on the homosexuals, many who are the way they are because of the fall of man and coruption, I will not be one to stand before God to condemn any man, are you?? besides there sin is nothing compared to thsi one called religion, that proclaims to be from God,

  68. His Truth is marching on Jul 24th 2014

    Be encouraged people of God……these days were all foretold and foreknown by God, it is transgression coming to the full, and lovers of self, etc. Time to be looking up, our redemption is drawing nigh! And save as many as we can before it is too late!

  69. Powerful and convicting message. I do not believe there can be a more important message for the country or the church today. We as a church need to repent and see our part, then as the message says stand for righteousness and truth. God have mercy on us!! May we get to work while it is still daylight.

  70. Nicole Jul 24th 2014

    Thank you for the TRUTH. (REPENT) Isaiah and Jeremiah are crystal clear on what our country is doing and what will continue to happen. Whether someone believes or not, (history repeats look at Roman EMpire), we are in a downward spiral. Just reading what Jesus saids to the elites/religous leaders in John 8. We have sold out to the love of money, bought into the tax system of the 5013c. People wake up!! The church is guilty of calling evil good and good evil. This is why we don’t talk about the issues in chruch what you are discussing, God forbid the churches lose there tax exemption. Pastors, Seminaries are being paid, they have lost the love of just loving Christ and being the hand and feet of Jesus b/c they are being paid. Live out the Acts 1:8 listen to the first message delivered by Peter in Acts…The church drinks Coke, Peps “FRANKENFOOD”i and actually lets the ” little children too” seirousy??” The church body doesn’t warn about GMO’s etc b/c people want to keep eating donuts and bad food. The Holy Spirit should reside and the total body….think think think, let’s not only feel…

  71. But abortion and pro-homosexuality are primarily examples of ways the world calls evil “good,” aren’t they ?

    There are examples closer to home.

    Woe to those who call it good that the poor not expect someone else to help them.

    Woe to those who call it good that people have more guns to protect their “rights” and property.

    Woe to those who call it good that unworthy immigrants have no hope of sanctuary with us.

    Woe to those who call it good that the sick get no more care than they can pay for themselves.

    Woe to those who call it good that a nation trust in its armed might and its military.

    Woe to those who call it good that rulers NOT be a minister of God for good.

    Woe to those who call it good that rulers NOT be a minister of God to punish evil that’s “too big to fail.”

    Woe to those who call it good that the Church follow politicians and their ways.

    Woe to those who call it good that the Church so witness to Jesus.

    In Jesus, Steve

  72. Reina Powlison Jul 24th 2014

    Dear Brother,
    I pray the Father’s great blessing on you for speaking clearly on this issue, yet saying it in love.
    I share your feeling, and I am convinced God is already beginning His process of the “judgment beginning at the House of God”. According to Deut. 28, droughts, hunger, plagues, and sickness are the first steps of God’s wrath on a nation that has benefitted from His abundant blessing for generations, yet begins to turn its back on Him to follow the frivolities and pleasures of the depraved world. Then, attacks from enemies, serious famine, and broken society follow. The Israelites got to the point of eating their own children to survive, and I recently saw a scary documentary on companies putting fetal tissue in their products to make them tastier.
    Where next? How much lower than the animals must we get before we realize we missed the path upward? God created Man to be a little lower than the angels. But we seem to be working hard to go lower than the parasites.
    For some time, I participated in the Renew America Forum. I realized that we needed a revival desperately… back in 2005. I tried to rally some folks to start a fast with me, to pray together as we fasted for an extended period of time. Not one wanted to join. The lack of desire to seek God’s Face is appalling, and I am glad you are calling desperately for real revival.
    God Bless You and Give You
    Strength in Battle.
    Joyfully in Him,

  73. Tonya Dalton Jul 24th 2014

    I have noticed, Andrew, that you send a lot of emails with sermons from David Wilkerson’s ministry, and hence, seem to have a lot of respect for him and his teachings. Have you forgotten his sermon about the end times revival?


    David’s message so resonates with me. He truly understands the concept of Grace. Have you forgotten? You have lost site of the fact that for thousands of years, Israel continually fell back into sin and rebelled against God. God did continually deal with their sin, but also continually gave grace to them. And THIS IS UNDER OLD TESTAMENT. HOW MUCH MORE SHOULD WE REMEMBER WE ARE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT OF GRACE. WHERE SIN ABOUNDS, HIS GRACE ABOUNDS MUCH MORE.

    Please read the sermon by David, and may God speak to your heart and encourage you like He did for David Wilkerson… see his heart of faith in God’s grace even in our wretched sinfulness. Please do not lose sight of this.

    Ezekiel 36: 22-23 “Therefore, say to the house of Israel, so says the Lord God: I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but only for My holy name which you have profaned among the nations where you went. I will sanctify My great name which was (is) profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them. The nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord, when I am sanctified in you before their eyes.”

    He is a Redeemer, and nothing is too hard for Him.

    Tonya Dalton

  74. don gray Jul 24th 2014

    There comes a time in our Christian experience that we must realise that we can’t do anything to change what we see.
    The only thing we can do is to be proactive in situations around us. Are we LIVING out our faith in the communities we live? Are we speaking out against the injustice where we FIND ourselves?

    God expects us to ABIDE IN HIM – yes, what is happening around us is not acceptable – but remember what was happening in the days of Christ was also not acceptable. What did Jesus do – he criticized the Scribes and Pharisees – around Him – but I don’t see Him laying into the Roman soldiers and the occupation of Israel by Rome.
    So guys – let’s stop moaning – ’cause you can’t change anything – other than ‘living a Jesus life – WHERE YOU ARE. Change those around you – that’s ALL you can do!

  75. AMEN ! I’m in ! More people should speak up.

  76. Like a can of worms has opened up. I must say that after reading your article Darren, I see the same here in my little church called GRACE church. I see the grace of God so much offered to those who are at wits end yet amongst it all I hear wishy, washy prayers, wishy washy sermons and very little if not none of righteousness, or Holiness.
    It is sad for I came from a church where good things were preached and my eyes were opened greatly by the word. I wonder why I am still there? I was so righteously anger when a gay person wearing a dress came in and we entertained him and excepted him without giving him proper council. Many use the church for what they can get out of it I think or maybe they are there to seek out a partner? who knows but it grieves my heart as I love these people with the love of Christ but hate the sin.
    Well done on your article Darren. I still cant get over how people can kill an unborn. I watched a movie (Real) one that had the baby chopped up and the screams from this little one was shown on a graph. the room was filled with men only and we were all crying. The church has to wake up or it will be lost forever like the people who go there. Thank you..

  77. Rozanne Jul 24th 2014

    With a broken heart I have to agree with this message. The good news is that Jesus is coming back for a bride without spot or wrinkle. He is coming back for a bride who has made herself ready, who has oil in her lamp and who is so in love with her bridegroom that she wants nothing else, sees nothing else, needs nothing else, He is all she wants. I pray that I would be part of that bride, that I would be kept from compromise and deception and that my love would not wax cold. We do need to contend for the faith today, to preach Christ and Him crucified, we need to stay in the truth of the Word, for there is no other hope in this world.

  78. David Marsh Jul 25th 2014

    Hi all,
    How timely, Pastor Richard Ing JD, DMin, PhM, BS. has just sent me (2 weeks ago) a free pdf file of his book titled ‘COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIANITY – PHONY SALVATION’

    It is a brilliant read concerning the danger for well meaning Christians in these end times + some great Revelation on the Scripture that I have never seen before.
    Richard asked me to share it with others if I want. I don’t often recommend books but you need to read this one.

    Anyone who wants a free pdf copy please email me;

    [email protected]

    God bless you all,

    David Marsh.

  79. ValleyAnt Jul 25th 2014

    Tonya Dalton, thanks for the reminder. I believe that this passage is a reminder about the current and coming situation in and for the Church and the world:

    “See, darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is over the peoples, but the Lord rises upon you and His glory appears over you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn” (Isa. 60:2-3).

    As the world gets darker, the genuine Church will get brighter, and salvation will come to others because of this.

    The last thing that Darren Smith said was, “We need to network together and make a difference.” Someone mentioned witches gathering routinely to pray against their nation; someone else said that those who intercede regarding ‘this present darkness’ won’t really know each other. I’m dismayed by the lack of connection between Christians and Christian ministries; so many seem to be doing their own thing individually while others are wondering where other like-minded Christians are. In summer ’12, the Lord told me to leave the institutional church for good and said that He would lead me to genuine Christian fellowship; but toward the end of the year, He told me to seek (pursue earnestly) this fellowship. He would lead as I pursued earnestly. Due to the spiritual struggle in the heavenlies, connecting with like-minded believers won’t be easy; it has to be pursued diligently.

    As for “what do we do now”, I believe Jesus is the best example on this: for three years on earth, He devoted the bulk of His time to teaching His disciples how to minister to others and said to them, “It is to your benefit that I go… Wait in the city, until you are endued with power from [God].” I believe that Christians often go without being filled but that the proper pattern is to meet together, be filled, then go out. The meeting together is first and key, and it involves connection. Connection and inter-connectedness has to be sought out. I don’t believe that God wants any of us to be like Elijah who fell into the trap of thinking he was all alone. Even he, after he left his servant behind, God paired with Elijah. “We need to network together,” Darren said, “and make a difference.” Connection, or networking, is of primary importance, and making a difference is secondary.

  80. DonaldN Jul 25th 2014

    ValleyAnt, I agree totally. I too have been looking for like-minded believers to fellowship with. I have found none in over 4 years. Old friends, new acquaintances, all are so grounded in tradition that they think I am the one who has gone over the edge. About 5 years ago God spoke into my heart, “Break away from the tradition of man.” I didn’t immediately take that as saying to leave the established church, but not long after I realized there was no other choice. The church is so grounded in tradition and they don’t know it. They think it is what God wants and anyone who leaves is leaving the faith.

  81. Marilyn C Jul 25th 2014

    So true Valley Ant & DonaldN,

    We network here in Australia with other believers, encouraging & ministering to one another.

    I do think Les Butchart had a good word to say.

    My thoughts are – this world, as we know is under the sway of the evil one & the Body of Christ are those who are following & obeying Him. So why do we think the world is going to get better? And why do we personally judge our Lord`s ability to build His called out ones, by our standards of how the world or organised religion is operating.

  82. Eileen Jul 25th 2014

    AMEN!! A Godly message!

  83. PerallyGates Jul 25th 2014

    You have covered it all so well it’s so true…one thing should be added
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.” John 3:17 As believers & followers of Jesus Christ we have to show the same Love Jesus showed toward all man kind no matter what. Hate the sin that so easily besets us and Love Unconditionally. His Love covers a multitude of sin. We know how this will end it has been written and God’s will will be done. Keep the Faith and stay focused on Jesus. Father God, have Mercy on our souls and Help us get over ourselves, all indifferences and forgive all our wrong doings in Jesus name, Amen.

  84. PerallyGates Jul 25th 2014

    You have covered it all so well it’s so true…one thing should be added
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.” John 3:17 As believers & followers of Jesus Christ we have to show the same Love Jesus showed toward all man kind no matter what. Hate the sin that so easily besets us and Love Unconditionally. His Love covers a multitude of sin. We know how this will end it has been written and God’s will will be done. Keep the Faith and stay focused on Jesus. Father God, have Mercy on our souls and Help us get over ourselves, all indifferences and forgive all our wrong doings in Jesus name, Amen.

  85. PerallyGates Jul 25th 2014

    You have covered it all so well it’s so true…one thing should be added
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.” John 3:17 As believers & followers of Jesus Christ we have to show the same Love Jesus showed toward all man kind no matter what. Hate the sin that so easily besets us and Love Unconditionally. His Love covers a multitude of sin. We know how this will end it has been written and God’s will will be done. Keep the Faith and stay focused on Jesus. Father God, have Mercy on our souls and Help us get over ourselves, all indifferences and forgive all our wrong doings in Jesus name, Amen.

  86. ValleyAnt Jul 25th 2014

    DonaldN, I’ve been looking since the Lord grabbed hold of me in ’98. I didn’t consciously know I was looking, but I was always looking. The first church I attended after the encounter in ’98 fell so far short of Jesus’ standard that I was thrown into confusion and dismay for years. After the Lord told me to leave the churches in ’12, He told me, “Seek [connection with genuine believers].” Unfortunately, God doesn’t always spell out what He is saying, and I didn’t know He meant ‘pursue earnestly’ when He said “seek”. Unable to find genuine believers, I returned to church to peer around again. Then the Lord brought back this passage to me which the angels said to the disciples seeking Jesus at the tomb: “Why do you seek the living among the dead?” He told me to be on my way, and I didn’t get it till early this year when a pastor and two ushers ‘laid hands on me’, literally, and threw me out their church for calling a visiting prophet (who wanted nothing but the people’s worship and money) “a false prophet”. When I was forcibly thrown out of church, then it sank in. When I told a friend about this, he recommended a book which I got: ‘Jesus Has Left the Building’ by Paul Vieira.

    As regards ‘connecting’, I believe that many genuine believers are afraid to ‘connect’ with each other, because it requires relationship, transparency, and honesty. When you go to churches, they tell you to get ‘plugged in’; but that’s congregational and not relational: you get ‘plugged in’ to the church, ministry, pastor’s vision, cell groups, organization, house church, but you’re rarely ever ‘connected’ (in relationship) with the people themselves. Only as I read Darren Smith’s article did it dawn on me that the Lord wasn’t just saying, “Pursue connection” but rather “Pursue connection diligently”. One reason the pursuit has to be diligent is because the enemy has been and is fighting against it (this is not a well-known fact as most don’t know or talk about it, and I believe it has been very quiet and imperceptible, but it has been and is certainly happening ‘in the heavenlies’ as we speak). “A house divided… cannot stand.” If genuine Christians are scattered away from each other rather than gathered together, they can’t do the works that God is wanting to do nor receive the blessing that is reserved only for the place of connection: “How good and how pleasant it is when brethren dwell together in unity… For THERE, the Lord commanded the blessing– Life forevermore” (Ps. 133).

    In the past, I never pursued connection diligently but doubtfully, wondering just how much God wanted it if it seemed so impossible; but now, I’ve made up my mind to pursue with purpose and diligence connection with genuine believers. I believe that this type of connection often has to be pressed into, because there is so much warfare in the heavenly places against the connecting together of genuine Christians:

    “And from the days of John the Baptist until the present time, the Kingdom of Heaven has endured violent assault, and violent men seize it by force [as a precious prize—a share in the heavenly kingdom is sought with most ardent zeal and intense exertion]” (Mt. 11:12, AMP).

  87. ValleyAnt Jul 25th 2014

    I want to add to the last thing I wrote as regards the Kingdom of Heaven and also revival (test all these things to know if they are revealed from the Spirit and are true or not):

    1. “Since the time [L. From the days] John the Baptist came until now, the kingdom of heaven has been going forward in strength [advancing forcefully; or subject to violence; suffering violent attacks], and forceful [or violent] people have been trying to ·take it by force [lay hold of it; or attack it]” (Mt. 11:12, Expanded Bible).

    2. “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it” (Lk. 16:16, NKJV).

    I skimmed through this short article on what those two passages mean: http://www.beaconlight.co.uk/faqs/Matthew11v12

    When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He told them to say, “Your Kingdom come; Your will be done on earth as in Heaven.” A gathering of genuine Christians is supposed to inaugurate this which some people call ‘revival’. (Yet, there are different types and levels of revival. A revival may be for one city in a state or one state in a union; a revival may also just for a neighborhood, so if people tried to carry it further, it would quickly fizzle out or/and acquire all kinds of excesses. Therefore, wherever revival starts, people should be sensitive to the Holy Spirit as to the limits of the revival’s reach; that way, He will direct it and keep it in continuance as long as it is within its proper sphere.) The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence in that it is ‘coming down from above’ (“Your Kingdom come”) and entering earth’s plane which is satan’s abode (and is why the Kingdom suffers violence or opposition in the heavenly places first to prevent it from reaching here as it were). Jesus said the Kingdom didn’t suffer violence until the time of John and on, because from John and on, the Kingdom was being introduced to earth through Jesus, so satan was fighting against it.

    I like the translation that says that forceful men “lay (or take) hold” of God’s Kingdom. Many well-intentioned Christians have run about trying to ‘evoke’ revival; but revival, though powerful, comes “‘not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord” (Zech. 4:6). Real revival usually begins with two or more Christians who gather together to pray, to ‘reach up’ and ‘take it (bring God’s Kingdom manifestation into our plane) by force’. Isaiah said, “There is no one who calls on You, who stirs himself up to take hold of You” (64:7). Taking hold of God brings revival. I.e. when genuine Christians gather together to seek God, they will seek to lay hold of Him. satan knows this, and that’s why he strongly opposes the connection of genuine though every other type of Christian and religion easily finds each other and gathers together.

    In Daniel 10, we see a very good picture of what it looks for a man to ‘stir himself up to take hold of God’, satan resisting God’s entrance into the earth realm, and God finally breaking through. Daniel prayed and fasted 21 days, and when Gabriel reached him, he told him that his answer was released the first day he began to pray but that satan (the ruling principality over Persia here) opposed the answer until Michael came to help. Now, like in the example of Daniel, the Kingdom (or revival when it is called that) rarely just comes ‘peacefully’. Firstly, it rarely comes and will rarely come ‘by observation’ in that you will rarely see the Kingdom enter this plane through known ministers and ministries whom everyone is watching and waiting on but often through simple Christians or laypeople that no one may really know; secondly, it tends to come suddenly (usually while people pray and wait on God, not trying to effect anything) and not ‘nicely’ (you can’t set its limits and boundaries), tending to upset routine life as usual; thirdly, again, it has to be pressed into (not by might or fleshly strength), because the principalities in the air are literally ‘holding it back’ until forceful men ‘reach up’ and ‘lay hold of it’ to ‘bring it down here’.

    I didn’t really realize the heavenly opposition side to this (though I’ve seen it clearly once in Columbus, OH– purposely and consciously set up spiritual constructs (like strongholds) to keep out the inflow of God’s Kingdom) until I wrote the last comment. The Kingdom will come through those who pray fervently (like Elijah did for the rain), “Your Kingdom come; Your will be done on earth.” These are genuine Christians. The enemy will resist and seek to keep Christians who want the Kingdom to come and are jealous for God’s glory separated from each other so that they cannot be united in agreement and so ‘draw in the Kingdom’ so to speak. I was fasting a few days in ’10 with a friend in Columbus, OH. Spiritual senses seemed to be heightened, and while we drove about the city, one of the main things I noted (besides the total lovelessness) was what looked like an opaque dome (like a football stadium dome) raised to cover the entire city. I guess by revelation, I knew that the dome was raised SPECIFICALLY to keep out revival in Columbus, OH! I.e. while Christians in Columbus could gather and pray and go to church and experience trickles of His presence once in a while, revival would be hard in coming, unless specifically prayed about by knowledgeable Christians, because of this dome that had been raised by a mixture of things (much of those things rituals and sacrifices by Masons and other occultists in the area to create such a ‘cloud’ of darkness from evil that it would take tremendous or targeted (knowledgeable) spiritual exertion to legally draw anything good from ‘the other side’ of that dome). Apparently, this isn’t happening only in Columbus but all over America (these ‘domes’) and so all over the world since these occultists are networked. It’s hard news, but it happens. Most people who pray for revival give up, sometimes because they don’t know that “the Kingdom of Heaven suffers [opposition]” and they must violently “lay hold of it”. They give up or slack or lag in diligence, and the answers that were released when they began to pray remain detained by princes and powers in the air.

  88. ValleyAnt Jul 25th 2014

    And to add to that last post the summary of why I posted it, I believe the ‘word’ is “connection”. Darren Smith said, “We need to network
    together.” That just rings true throughout. I don’t believe that any believers seeking genuine fellowship should sit and wonder about what to do next but should purposefully, consciously, and diligently seek out and plan, with prayer and the leadings of the Holy Spirit, to make ‘living connections’ (which entail transparency and honest relationships) with other like-minded Christians. I am in the process myself.

  89. Marguerite Woodall Jul 25th 2014

    Well said and straight to the point.

  90. No doubt about it you are so right, us In the body want to look at our society and shake our head yet we refuse to look in the mirror and see that we are mimicking the world have we forgotten that judgement begins in the house of the Lord ? We must seek his face turn from our wicked ways and remember when the Lord of host said that he was talking to his people!!!

  91. Interesting. Check out the 1971 vision of C .Alan Martin about the end time Presidency.

  92. DonaldN Jul 25th 2014

    ValleyAnt, well said! I will also begin to diligently pursue the fellowship I desire in my heart. I have more or less been waiting for God to do something and wondering why I am not connecting up with like-minded believers. I know that prayer is the first and most important thing to do in any pursuit where God is involved.
    My question for all, there is a lot of talk about networking, but I have not read any real understanding of what it really is. Would you, who mention networking, please describe what you actually mean by it. Perhaps we can all get the same understanding as we put everyones concepts together.

  93. It defies the gospel when pastors assume the US is a shining light to the world or more righteous a nation than others. When it comes to capital punishment, the US is among China, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Indonesia, a few south American, African countries, that support the death penalty. Many industrialized countries around the world in the last century have removed capital punishment.

    I would think that a nation who believes itself to be ‘christian’ would start from the point of how it is viewed scripturally by the rest of the world. When others look in, they see a democracy that gives freedoms and choice and religious rights, but they also see various States, in the bible belt christian districts, that love to have capital punishment. The hate abortion, but love to watch condemned criminals die.

    Abortion is murder, and yes, there are sexual sins, including homosexuality. But there is the sin of omission, and omitting to repent of killing criminals instead of incarcerating them (giving them a chance to repent in their lifetime that God wills), can be seen as the ultimate hypocrisy in a nation that points the finger at other’s behavior. Condemning others while not seeing the plank in our own eye doesn’t convict anyone. Maybe this is why we do not see a great revival. Revival starts with accountability and righteous judgment and calling out ALL our unbiblical behaviors.

  94. Amen, Marie.

    God says “All those who hate me love death.” (Proverbs 8)

    The Church hates death…selectively. In abortion, yes: but not as “righteous retribution” against criminals. Not when it’s necessary to “stand your ground” against thieves. Not when foreigners threaten our national interests.

    As you say, accountability before Him must call out all our OWN hypocrisy and rebellious heart-attitudes.

    In Jesus, Steve

  95. ValleyAnt Jul 25th 2014

    DonaldN, I believe a lot of genuine believers or believers who “seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness” have also been ‘waiting on God’ and wondering why they are not connected. They will often find some way to believe that it is God’s will, and the enemy will help complete with Scriptures that seem to make it God’s will.

    As for what ‘connecting’ and ‘networking’ mean, the dictionary is plain and defines ‘connect’ as ‘to join, link, or fasten together; unite or bind’. ‘Network’ is defined as ‘an interconnected group or system’. Connection has to come first, therefore, then networking follows. Here is what each practically looks like:

    1. Connection: this is where two or more Christians or families (‘two parties’: “If two of you on earth agree”) connect face to face or literally. They meet together and agree to walk together in the Lord and in relationship and to help and support each other practically: “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the Law of Christ” (Gal. 6:2). The concept of this is 100% foreign today, because the enemy has been hard at work through media, music, and other means to make it seem not only impossible but foolish. But while it may seem stupid in the natural, in the spirit, the gains and benefits are another story: “I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven” (Mt. 18:19). Many Christians have ‘agreed together’ in prayer but saw no answers. Is their experience true over God’s Word? No, because they didn’t agree; to agree there means to walk [continually] together in spirit and in agreement (relationship). Again, this is how the inflow of God’s Kingdom (or ‘revival’) comes.

    2. Networking: when there are two or more groups of connected Christians, then networking should be pursued. If each group of connected Christians is seen as a neighborhood in different parts of a city or state, then it is time for these neighborhoods (connected Christians) to network across lines with each other. I hate to use the occult as an example, but they understand spiritual principles more than most Christians; they will have a coven or group or gathering of specific individuals in one locale. In other locales, they will have these small groups; and these groups will be interconnected to each other. If you could draw fifty dots on a piece of paper in a square pattern and then connect all of them, what you will notice are the lines you drew; but the dots are the real story, and each dot they connect is a group of connected individuals (a fellowship, a meeting, etc.). When you stand back and look at it, you will see what looks like a ‘net’, because of the lines; but the lines are there because of the dots. When dots (connected groups) connect with other dots (individual connected groups), then you have a ‘net work’. There is no network without the dots (connected groups), but when the dots (connected groups) are formed, then it is necessary to connected them to each other so that you have ‘a net that works’. It works for the occult, but all satan’s strategies are a copy of God’s own design.

    Jesus said, “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Mt. 18:19-20). He didn’t explain much of that, but one part I see in it is that when two individuals or parties get together in the unity of the Spirit and ask of God what God already desires (“Your Kingdom come; Your will be done on earth as in Heaven”), God will do it. This means that when people get together in ‘connection’ or connected groups, this can happen on a certain scale; and when connected groups network together, it can happen on a bigger scale. In each case, it is ‘two parties’ or ‘two or three’ gathering together, whether individuals in a connected group or connected groups networking together.

    We all know about connecting and networking in the world, but we’ve missed it in large part in the Christian world. One of the main things that distinguishes the world’s connections-networking with genuine Christian connections-networking is that only in Christian connections-networking is genuine relationship required, because the Lord is one Body (unlike any body or group of people or companies on earth). In Christ, connections-networking only work through the unity of the Spirit which is spirit to spirit relationship that no one else can have (or needs to have in order to have connection-networking work). The attack on genuine and honest relationships in our society (along with the promotion of self-love and hatred for others) has made genuine relationships seem cumbersome, hard, and downright impossible; but in Christ, it’s the only way.

  96. I live north of oklahoma city as many of you may be aware there is argument as to whether a satanic statue depicting the satanic commandments should be allowed to be erected I have yet to hear any outcry from churches or from pulpits has the body become so numb that the just simply shrug there shoulders where is the war cry and the call to pray this should be extremely alarming to any follower of Christ it’s to know surprise to me that we have been experiencing alarming number of earthquakes and its interesting to note that oklahoma has is the first state east of the Rockies to be placed on earthquake watch alert please pray for this situation for many feel this is quite serious

  97. annikins Jul 26th 2014

    @Steve I just wanted to let you know that the church in NZ certainly does not support those things. I have to say I do find it difficult to under stand why it does any where else.
    I also want to say that there are churches/pastors here who preach the whole gospel and are not afraid to stand up for the truth , however we need far more of them. We are also dominated by the seeker friendly type of church .
    Let’s make sure we as people here are practicing what we believe.
    Blessings every one

  98. The fact that they don’t make prostitution lawful shows there is an ounce of truth left in the US. But that last ounce is about to spill out on the ground. Daniel 8:12

    Get ready folks!

  99. DonaldN Jul 26th 2014

    One problem I still have…even among all posting on this site, saying we need to unite and get connected, I know there is so much difference of doctrine that if all here were living in one small city we could not agree enough to make a church. Some believe in the trinity, some believe in natural Israel being God’s people, some believe in leading others to Christ through a prayer, some believe in speaking in tongues, and others will not agree with some or all of these doctrines. It is not wonder that the statement still goes, “what is truth.” What is preaching the whole gospel? ……

  100. ValleyAnt Jul 26th 2014

    Jim, I live in Oklahoma City too, and it seems as dry as a desert spiritually speaking. Nashville is a very spiritually compromised place, but Oklahoma City is spiritually like a dust bowl. I sometimes wonder how people can literally physically breathe here, because the atmosphere is stifling and spiritually choked with death… almost like you emptied several fire extinguishers in a room (carbon dioxide) and then put people in the room and expected them to live in that condition; it’s impossible. And I’ve heard of the satanic statue they already put up. The commandments is another story.

    It seems you could throw a rock in any direction in Oklahoma, mostly in OKC, and hit a Mason. I’ve known two Christians who are Masons here. I hear stories about them often and am told that the Masonic lodge in Norman, OK is their main U.S. headquarters. Christians here can barely raise their hands to protest satanic statues and commandments going up, because the atmosphere is thick with oppression, and it makes most Christians totally powerless (or relieves them of the energy to call up any power or zeal to do anything). It’s a very serious situation as this place looks spiritually like cracked, barren ground that needs the rain of God’s presence (even in the natural, OKC needs rain).

  101. ValleyAnt Jul 26th 2014

    DonaldN, only the carnal nature will need to use doctrinal differences as walls between believers. A girl once asked me if I was a Christian, and I said yes. I asked her if she was Christian and she replied, “No, I’m Baptist.” That is carnal (us vs. them) thinking.

    Unfortunately, we are all inclined toward error naturally. Paul wrote to the Ephesians:

    “Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all” (Eph. 4:2-6).

    That means that everyone will have different beliefs and feelings about things but that relationship has to be worked at: “Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.” The unity of the Spirit is love for one another and is the invisible cord (if thinking of ‘connections’ and ‘networking’) that ties Christians together. Love is what keeps the unity of the Spirit, so Paul is saying. “Make every effort to love one another and therefore maintain the unity of the Spirit.”

    Some people say, “There is no perfect church.” The fact is that relationship isn’t about people who necessarily have the same beliefs but people who have the same mind to follow and obey Christ. Paul goes on to explain this in Phil. 2:

    “Make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus…”

    And he continues by talking about Jesus’ humility and self-sacrificial nature. This relational aspect has been the hardest part and is what many Christians have ducked and dodged so long. Some evade this necessary aspect and seek revival and other things which they never get or if they get it comes from satan because it can’t come from God outside of fellowship/relationship. The relationship aspect is where everyone has to come to terms with the fact that just like “God so loved the world that He gave His only Son” (Jn. 3:16), we really are to follow Jesus’ example of service: “By this we know Love: He laid down His life for us, and we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren” (1Jn. 3:16).

  102. Alan Stewart Jul 26th 2014

    It is time to wake up North America.For too long this has been going on and the difference must be fulfilled through Christ and his church.We are His church and the responsibility is on us to stand and fight for what is truly right not what is perceived to be right.Thank you for sending out this article,now we must look in the mirror and change into what God meant us to be not what the world wants to see.

  103. His Truth is marching on Jul 26th 2014

    Must keep in mind that all these things are another sign we are at the end…….and seek the Lord for this time…..see what He has said about it and what we need to prepare for and how to occupy until He comes….

  104. DonaldN Jul 26th 2014

    On Facebook, I get posts from whoever about Christians in Muslim nations been forced from their homes and becoming refugees.
    First I am not sure if this is true, since the photos they send are not confirmed to be what they claim.
    If this is true, what the posts also state is that they are crying out to President Obama to speak up about it but he remains silent.
    If they truly are crying to Obama then that is their first problem. Why would Christians in other nations look to the USA/Obama for their help?
    Here in the USA, I wonder who we will be crying out to when we are being forced to forsake our faith?

  105. 100% Zululander Jul 26th 2014

    War in the Heavens????? I thought the devil was defeated & operated by lies & deception!!!
    The Lord Jesus fought them through Calvary & resurrection & totally defeated them.
    I thought “fighting the good fight” & our wrestling against principalities & powers etc was achieved by the armor of God given us which is powerful to make us stand if we choose to by exercised thereby!!!
    Getting connected? Searching diligently for fellowship?? I thought it was God who placed each one in the body. I believe it’s a local one.
    If you find fellowship/church you like it will be just you….what you like, not necessarily better than any other because they will be preaching your opinion of truth. Others will not go there because they don’t preach their opinion of truth.
    Let God put you in a place he thinks fit for you. Submit to the leader/s, & stop thinking you got it all together & are in a position to judge all truth. A good start would be to learn to love everybody & the fruit of that is you won’t want to criticize them. It will be like criticizing your children publicly!!!!!!!!
    I totally agree with Darren, but none of this will change it, only the gospel preached with the anointing of God will change it & none of the posts above that I have read will achieve it because you all seem to hate the church. I know you say you don’t but in all I have read there is only judgement, no love.
    Secondly, who of you get together with at least one other person a few times a week to seriously, objectively, with intimate knowledge of situations pray for the church in various parts of the world?
    When one has a real burden for something, criticism is the furthest thing from your mind, in fact you feel a certain protection for it.
    Deception is rife, God said it would be, don’t gloat of your spirituality or criticize, but weep before the altar as one post above said, that pleases God & will bring change in you & the situation.
    be Blessed

  106. Jonathan: re prostitution.

    When the US government forced New Orleans to close brothels next to the Navy base in 1917, the political boss of the city complied, famously remarking, “You can make prostitution illegal in New Orleans, but you can’t make it unpopular.”

    There’s the problem, and the root of legal abortion, legal gambling, legal dope-smoking…and who knows what next ? Sin is popular.

    And in any political system based on the idea “vox populi, voce Dei,” it’s always a sure vote-getter to give “the people” what they want: even when they want war, or the “right” to walk the streets with firearms at the ready.

    Some teach that America is God’s most-favored nation, and chosen instrument. It seems rather an extreme example of the kingdom of man, where love of sin and love of death are fully institutionalized.

    Blessing to God ! Who yet reigns even in this darkness! Blessing to all who love Him, in whose hearts He reigns !

    In Jesus, Steve

  107. Am so thankful to the Lord that there are brethren here that see through the veil of deception. It’s a lonely life, for us, hearing the news, reading how a portion of the church is being deceived and we feel helpless.

    Valley Ant; thanks for sharing about Oklahoma City. It must be very difficult and will keep you and all in prayer. I hear about these troubling small earthquakes that are keeping nerves frayed there. And then the spiritual oppression to add to it, must be really difficult.

    Of course, we all live in spiritual oppressed places. I remember how christians in our church would feel a great wall of oppression and depression when they’d drive through ‘strongholds’ getting to church. Crossing border lines, or provincial lines, and sensing the major religious traditional ‘spirit’ that hated the newly created bible believing churches. The ‘evil’ is everywhere. But, we know that “greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world.”

  108. Nsaba Buturo Jul 26th 2014

    My God! You are breathtakingly accurate! There is a real and dangerous crisis which is unfolding. The Church which should lead in campaigning against anti-God forces is herself caught in the conspiracy to turn our nations into godless nations. Thank you, my brother. You have shown there are still some voices of sanity. We should pull together and with God’s help, we shall overturn tables against evil and its perpetrators. Remain blessed.

  109. Maybe the only way to pursue connection and network (agree that it has to be done with physical presence), is to gather like in the first churches in Book of Acts. Living communally, some gardening, preparing meals, praying every day, others going out performing ministry to people on the street, prisons, shelters; others having regular jobs, distributing to each one as they need, living outside the ‘culture’.

    Maybe this isn’t the answer. But where we are now isn’t the answer either. We in the West could not lay down our lifestyles, giving up our own properties,, materials, ‘things’ that we worked for all our lives; we would find it hard to give up living the capitalist way. Living like a capitalist always compromises our walk and waters down our witness to the world. We are caught between a rock and a hard place. Lord Jesus forgive us.

  110. The true church of Jesus is being prepared to walk in the midst of God’s great judgments. The bride is making herself ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb, and she will be holy, unspotted, unblemished, and the glory of the Lord will be seen upon her.

  111. DonaldN Jul 26th 2014

    Zululander, you fail to recognize the false church. Many churches have Jesus’ name posted over their door. Does that mean they all are the true church. The Bible warns of false teachers and prophets. You are saying we have no right to judge/discern who they might be.
    Local church? My local church teaches against repentance, hell, and does not mention sin. They believe we should love the people into church only by the grace of God. Good idea, but after that there is no change in anyone and most of the members fit in with the worldly bunch on saturday night as well as the religious bunch on sunday morning. Would you suggest I continue to attend a church like this?

  112. Thank-you Andrew.May the anointed message of Jesus continue to resound through you. Thank-you for posting Darren’s message.
    Fasting and PRAYING for spirit of repentance!
    Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with our God!
    ♡ Jesus ♡ His body – Holy Spirit guide US til He comes

  113. ValleyAnt Jul 26th 2014

    Zululander, Paul tells us that there are evil spirits (present tense) in the air who fight against God’s will and God’s people. The homosexual agenda and abortion (etc.) are not battles Christians should fight with people; they are the enemy’s agenda, and the people are his tools.

    In connecting to right fellowship (or where God wants us), we are to be diligent, not passive: “As for me, being in the way, the Lord led me to the house of my master’s brethren” (Gen. 24:27). The Lord leads us to the house of His brethren as we are ‘in the way’. The author of Hebrews agrees about diligent, and not passive, pursuit of fellowship: “Let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching” (10:24-25). The Day is closer now than then, so diligence in connection-fellowship is, if possible, even more needful now.

    As for praying for churches in other nations, the Bible is clear about first things being first: “You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth” (Acts 1:8). First thing is your own genuine fellowship; other churches and fellowships come second.

    In connection with the above, John asked how we can love God who we can’t see when we don’t love those we can see. How can a Christian care for churches in other nations if he isn’t burdened for the Christians in his own neighborhood or down the street? This kind of burden for other nations and churches without love for those we see daily is false and sentimental (the soul’s counterfeit for godly Love); it isn’t from God and always disables a Christian from really doing God’s will.

  114. ValleyAnt Jul 26th 2014

    Thanks, Marie. Yes, the oppression is everywhere, different in each place. As for Christians living communally, I would not encourage that, especially in this time as it is more an invitation to failure. I believe it all must begin in connecting outside anything that is ‘built’ (church, community), anything with structure. People must connect and shake hands face to face. In fellowship, the Lord will lead everything else; but communal living is, I can say, bad news as it tends to support and energize the carnal mindset that ‘we must make it happen’. Communal living tends to be a breeding ground for all kinds of evil. As you said, “others going out and performing ministry…” Real fellowship has little to do with making anything happen or ministering to others; it is rather about ‘waiting on God’ (or letting Him direct things) and then building each other up. When the people are built up and ready, then ministry to others begins.

    God is not about ministering to other people; Jesus waited on God thirty years and ministered only three. How many more people in OT and NT waited and waited before beginning ministry? Again Acts 1-2 is also a good pattern. We today often cannot grasp the concept of waiting, because most things don’t go to our hearts first but travel through our heads. If you recall the whisper game where people sit in a circle or around a table and one person starts it by whispering something to the next person, that is how we are today: the things of God rarely go straight to our hearts (i.e. from the first person who whispers straight to the last); we instead to filter them through our heads before letting them into our hearts, and in the process, they either never reach our hearts or they are a totally different story by the time they get there like in the whisper game.

    If we don’t abandon a performance mindset of Christianity, we will either never connect together or when we do, things will fall apart, because we are always seeking to build something (community, church, house church, cell group, etc.) or perform something (ministry); but that isn’t God’s way. God’s way is connect and then just wait and do simple everyday life. Just wait. His way is not ‘wait to connect’ but ‘connect, then wait’. That’s God’s way. It always has been, and after we’ve exhausted our own ways, His pattern will prove to be the only that always works even in our day. But as you said, we in the West are between a rock and a hard place. Not only can we not lay down things, but even more, we don’t understand God’s ways and think of Him more as a taker (who wants to take from us) than a Giver (who wants to give to us).

  115. Who is Darren Smith?

  116. As I’ve said before so I say again, “The Church”, is NOT a building people go to, the church is each individual member of the body of Christ, and you must be baptized into the body by water and the Spirit of God.

    1st Corinthians 12:27-28

    “Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.”

    Ephesians 1:22-23

    “And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.”

    1 Corinthians 12:12-14

    “For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many.”

  117. Serenity Jul 27th 2014

    Amen ! Right-on Darren, sad to say.

    What a state the professing church is in.

    Ezekiel 9 relates such a time in Israel’s past. Verse 9 spells that out.
    In verse 4 God “set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst” of His people.
    Only those few were spared the God-ordained slaughter that followed.
    Surely we are almost to this point.

    I appreciate your comments, Bob Padgett, and many others. Jocelyn Wilson, welcome to contact me at [email protected]

  118. I really miss the messages by David Wilkerson who preached the same message years ago. They for the most part fell on deaf ears as will this message, yet God’s Word cannot go unspoken. Preach it brother.

  119. ValleyAnt Jul 27th 2014

    God said to Ezekiel, “My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to hear your words, but they do not put them into practice. Their mouths speak of love, but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain. Indeed, to them you are nothing more than one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice and plays an instrument well, for they hear your words but do not put them into practice” (33:30-32). This is unfortunately the custom of most Christians today. I believe that the story of Gideon paints a dimmer picture of the remnant being only 1/3 of the 1/3 who believe they are ‘the remnant’.

    King Hezekiah is a good example of those among ‘the remnant’ who are not as sincere as they think. God told Abraham to walk before Him with ‘wholehearted devotion’: “Walk before Me and be blameless (perfect)” (Gen. 17:1). Does it get better than ‘wholehearted devotion’? Apparently it does. In 2Kin. 20, Hezekiah almost died, but he prayed to God, “Remember how I have walked before You… with wholehearted devotion.” Therefore, God healed him. Then ‘important people’ from Babylon came to see and console him, and he showed off to them. God then sent Isaiah to tell him how Babylonians would in the future sack Judah and take his sons as eunuchs to Babylon. Hezekiah’s response revealed that there is something more important that ‘wholehearted devotion’: “The Word of the Lord you have spoken is good!” he said to Isaiah, but he was thinking in his heart, “Will there not be (at least there will be) peace and security in MY time.”

    I find it disturbing that even Christians (on this site too) who acknowledge the dire state of things still refuse to act, thinking, “Will there not be peace and security in MY time? (I don’t have to do anything, because at least I have security right here where I live.)” They listen to godly men and prophetic voices as Israel did to Ezekiel, but they don’t practice anything, because they think in the inmost place, “Will there not be peace and security in MY time?” They complain and grieve over sin and evil but are not inclined to act, because they think, “Will there not be peace and security in MY time?”

    Late ’98, I had a dream of the last days where I was in a Christian ministry school. I was popular and loved, and at break time outside, a lot of kids crowded around me. As we played around, I noticed a girl alone, leaning against the school building. She was depressed and rejected, and no one cared for or noticed her. The contrast between the love I was getting and the rejection this girl was getting was above distressing. Then a warning came over the loudspeakers, and it began to rain rocks from a suddenly dark sky. Everyone but this girl dashed into the school. As I leaned outside calling and trying to save her, all the kids inside were only concerned with saving me. When the raining of rocks became too hard, I retreated into the school and closed the door, letting this girl die alone.

    I woke from this dream concerned but thinking like Little Jack Horner, “What a good boy am I!” After all, I was the ONLY one who genuinely cared about that girl. Then the Lord told me that to care isn’t sufficient but that righteousness is credited to our account when we ACT. (1Cor. 13.) My concern, especially in stark contrast to the lovelessness of the others, was sufficient to me, but God wasn’t impressed. Today, so many of us ‘remnanted ones’ assure ourselves of our salvation because we hate evil and have good intentions for people unlike so many other Christians; but God isn’t impressed. The Bible is redundant that with Him, “the only thing that counts is faith EXPRESSING itself [because of] Love” (Gal. 5:6). Faith is not alive if we listen and hear but don’t do. Only the ones who hear and do are likened to a man who built his house on the rock and survived all storms. All others, no matter how well-intentioned, won’t be able to stand the coming storms if they remain inside the safe building they’ve built for themselves. I have love, and I have faith; but I don’t have actions that confirm either one. Is that genuine Christianity? My love in that dream was as genuine as love gets; but it fell far short of God’s Love and grieved Him. We should take a look at what we call love and remember to distinguish it from God’s perfect Love to know whether or not we really are “in the faith”.

  120. ValleyAnt Jul 27th 2014

    I wanted to add this to the last post:

    Paul said, “If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless” (Phil. 3:4-6).

    Before my encounter with God in March ’98, I prided myself on my ability to love everyone and to genuinely be concerned about a person’s state. I had a mean and nasty teacher in 6th grade named Mrs. Pharaoh whom all the kids hated but who I showed kindness. Even back when I was a kid, I was outdoing most people in love. After my encounter with God, I stayed with a Catholic aunt in Atlanta who was very hateful. No one could put up with her, not even her own son whom she’d emasculated; but I went out of my way to show her love. The only two years of my life– ’98-’00 when I lived with her– in which I can say I was totally blameless of any and all wrong, she told others what a bad person I was. Even in the midst of my own struggles, I was able to care for others selflessly. In college in ’01 when I was only 21 years old and dealing a dad who worked overtime to make life hard for me (and so I dropped out of college), I still genuinely cared selflessly about others and wasn’t afraid to take people into my home to live with me who had no place to stay. Then I began to realize how many Christians, especially older ones, who claimed to love people but who, with more ability than I had, did not do for others what I did.

    In time, I was able to say like Paul, “If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: saved at seven years old, both Nigerian and American; concerning the Bible, a Christian; concerning zeal, doing more good works than others; concerning human goodness and genuine love, BLAMELESS.” Jesus said that unless one’s righteousness surpasses that of a Pharisee, he can’t enter the Kingdom. (Mt. 5:20.) Here I was, doing much more in my own righteousness than any Christian or minister that I knew, and yet, I was short of God’s standard. (I could list out many things that others didn’t or would’t do that I did.) Paul said, “I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers” (Gal. 1:14). If I was surpassing other Christians in love and devotion in my own strength, how could they be Christians? Because of this, I know when I meet a Christian who claims to love but doesn’t. “Many claim to have unfailing love, but a faithful person who can find” (Pro. 20:6). And God’s standard is even higher than what I ever reached which is FAR above Christians that I’ve known.

    While we wonder about revival, we need to remember that “God is Love.” When we grieve over the sins of our nations, we should remember that “God is Love.” Everything that comes from Him (revival, etc.) is because he loves, not just because He wants to save or renew people. Why is there no revival? Because love is cold. God works from Love; everything that comes short of His Love will come up short. It often takes a purposeful exercise of Love to see God’s works manifest on this planet just as it did in Jesus. Waiting for God to do everything Himself is what has everyone still waiting today. If I was beating older Christians in Christianity eighteen years ago while younger than most of them but God still said to me, “You are missing it. You are coming up short”, then we are indeed very far from the ideal, and that is what makes all the sin and evil around us loom so monstrously large and unbeatable. If my certified gold brick was valued at only $5 in God’s eyes, then what value to Him are the copper coins that so many Christians offer to God? God help us.

  121. Sandor L. Lipcsik, Sr. Jul 27th 2014

    We have entered into the last days and what is going on in the unsaved world is biblical. So is what’s going on in the church; “…there will be a great falling away..” False prophets, false leaders, incomplete statements of faith (conversion). The church has shattered herself by divisions. The character of Christ is fabricated rather than natural so is has no power other than what man can muster up.
    Repentance doesn’t start with the world but with the church. The church, for the most part, is like warm water in the Lords mouth. It’s time to repent and turn back to the Lord and die to self. Forget prosperity, healing and all the other self seeking messages that are brought to us by preachers who call themselves inspirational speakers so as to be more acceptable to the world. If called to preach the gospel then breach the bloody gospel; the gospel that brings death first then life.

  122. ValleyAnt Jul 27th 2014

    By the way, just one gold brick or gold bar (.9999 purity (24-karat gold)), which is around 400oz (400 Troy ounces) is valued at over $500,000 as of 2014. $500,000. Let that be the cost of 400oz of God’s Love. My 400oz gold brick (my love and ability and willingness to love selflessly), which I thought was at least ‘half that price’ since it was gold/love and the same weight, was valued in God’s eyes at only $5 though it cost much more than several copper pennies. I hope that really helps to put things in perspective as to how God weighs and judges our love for Him and therefore for others.

  123. Sallie Jul 27th 2014

    Since Jesus put His blood on the Ark in the Heavenly Tabernacle the plan of God to restore all things has been unfolding. Even though the world looks like it is in a desperate place, it is not because God is at work. We’ve been told about wheat & tares. Why be surprised when tares to what they do. We do not need to resist circumstances, but the enemy of our souls. If we focus on bringing as many as we can to a saving knowledge of Christ in the time we have before us, we will be choosing the best response to the darkness around us and giving the devil a headache in the process. Rejoice, God’s Kingdom is coming and His will IS being done by those who are His. If we want to see more of it done, let’s get more people into the Kingdom.

  124. DonaldN Jul 28th 2014

    Preach the WHOLE TRUTH about salvation

    Are you saved?

    Judge yourself using the WHOLE GOSPEL

    1Cor 11:31-32
    31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
    32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

    Let me give an example of preaching the whole truth. I can make the statement, “The sun rise is at 5:41AM.”
    If you believe me then perhaps you would set your watch to 5:41 tomorrow morning when the sun rises. However, one week from now it will no longer be accurate. Does that mean that my statement is not true?
    My statement is absolutely true, but if you search deeper you can find a sunrise chart and find out that there is more information to be added to my statement.

    The same goes with the Bible. We cannot pick out a scripture and make a doctrine out of it without searching the rest of the Bible for more words on the subject. The Bible says “God’s whole Word is truth.”

    Now for the truth of salvation.

    The traditional thought concerning becoming a Christian from Evangelical teaching comes from the scripture:

    Romans 10:9-10
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    The teaching literally states that if you profess that you believe in Jesus you are saved from that time on and “no one can snatch you out of God’s hand” but that you are eternally secure and guaranteed to go to heaven. (there are a few differing details among denominations and groups, but this is the core)

    However, this is not founded in the scriptures, at least if you truly preach the “whole Gospel”.
    True salvation is a lifelong commitment to believe, to continue to believe, and to act on what you believe.

    Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

    Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

    Matt 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    Matt 10:32-33
    32 “Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
    33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

    Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

    Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?–unless indeed you are disqualified.

    1 Cor 11:1-32
    31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
    32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

    So, decide for yourself, according to your own judgment of your own works, or better understood, your actions. Do your actions confirm what you claim to believe? Do you profess with your mouth but by your actions deny Christ? Judge yourself. No other’s judgment is worth considering, but God has given us guidelines to judge ourselves. If we find ourself falling short of God’s Word, then seek Him and a closer relationship along with continued obedience. Let the chastening of the Lord teach us. Be a follower of the Holy Spirit, not our carnal desires, and let our works, our actions glorify God.

  125. ValleyAnt Jul 28th 2014

    DonaldN, who are you addressing?

  126. David Marsh Jul 28th 2014

    Interesting. Check out the 1971 vision of C .Alan Martin about the end time Presidency.


    “2014 – 2016″

    God has given us the heavens for many things… “to divide day and night, to distinguish time, to separate seasons and for “SIGNS.” God uses the stars, the planets, the sun, moon, and other heavenly bodies to send messages of importance to earth. His Word tells us…
    • “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years.” (Genesis 1:14)
    He sent a heavenly message to earth in the form of a bright star in the East at the arrival of His Son on earth 2,000 years ago! He will send a heavenly warning before the second coming of His Son in the near future….
    • “ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30)
    The heavens have shouted many messages to earth throughout the history of man. God’s Word warns us of important messages to come.
    • “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring. (Luke 21:25)
    • “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD comes.” (Joel 2:31)
    Incredible signs from the heavens are occurring in 2013 and will continue into 2014 and through 2016. Heaven is shouting a mighty message to earth. The Coming of the Messiah is at hand!!! Is Earth listening? The following spectacular celestial events are unprecedented in human history:


    Blood moons (lunar eclipses) have occurred at times throughout human history. A tetrad (four) consecutive blood moons (lunar eclipses) are unusual. However, blood moons occurring on Jewish high holy days are even rarer. When they occur, Jewish rabbis teach that God is warning that something very significant is about to happen to His chosen people, Israel. They also teach that solar eclipses are signs that divine judgment is about to fall on Gentile nations.

    History gives detail to the events that occurred when four consecutive blood moons appeared on either the Passover of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). The following three tetrads occurred during these high holy days:

    • 1492-93: In Spain, the final year of the bloody Inquisition was in full swing. Jews who refused to convert to Catholicism had their property confiscated; thousands were beaten, arrested or killed. Then, the Alhambra Decree ordered the expulsion of all remaining Jews who refused to convert. In 1492, an explorer named Columbus discovered a massive continent, later called America, which would become a safe-haven to millions of Jewish immigrants.
    • 1948: After the horrors of the Holocaust, the Jews were given a homeland in the Middle East. Israel was reborn as a nation. The Jews were home again after 2,000 years.
    • 1967-68: Israel was invaded on all sides by Egypt, Jordan, Syria and other Arabic armies. It appeared that the tiny Jewish State would be overwhelmed and destroyed. Miracle after military miracle occurred and the Jews destroyed the invading armies and took over the West Bank and the ancient city of Jerusalem. The Holy City was in their hands for the first time in almost 2,000 years.
    The fourth occurrence of four rare blood moons will occur on Jewish high holy days starting in 2014 through 2015:
    • Passover April 15, 2014: The first of the four blood moons.
    • Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) October 8, 2014: The second blood moon.
    • Passover: April 4, 2015: The third blood moon.
    • Feast of Tabernacles September 28, 2015: The fourth blood moon.
    Other unusual heavenly events will occur during the 2014-2015 time period:

    • Adar 29/Nisan 1 (beginning of the Jewish religious calendar) a solar eclipse will occur. This will be on March 20-21, 2015.
    • Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets), the second solar eclipse will be on September 13, 2015.
    According to Rev. Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries, four lunar eclipses occurring on the Feast of Tabernacles and Passover in two successive years are phenomenal. But add to them two solar eclipses on the two days that open the Jewish year – Adar 29/Nisan1, just two weeks before Passover, and on Tishri 1 (Rosh Hashannah) – it is uncanny! On each of these six Jewish Holy Days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light. NASA states that this will not happen again in the 21st century!
    The four blood moons of 2014-2015 foretell that something tremendous is about to happen to Israel. The two solar eclipses forewarn of events that will happen to Gentile nations.


    The unprecedented lunar and solar eclipses in 2014-15 have additional phenomena added to them….the Sabbatical Year and the Year of Jubilee!

    God prescribed a time of rest for man and the earth in the laws given to Moses long ago. God decreed that the 7th day of the week would be a Sabbath day of rest. The 7th year (Shmita) was to be a Sabbath rest year and the 7th Shmita (the 49th year) was to be a Sabbatical Year. The year following, the 50th year was to be the Year of Jubilee. During the Jubilee, all debts were to be cancelled, slaves set free and all land lost was to be restored.

    History records the last Sabbatical year (49th year) occurred in 1965-66. The next year 1966-67, was the Year of Jubilee. During this Jubilee, Israel recaptured Jerusalem in the Six Day War!!

    2014-2015 is the Jewish Sabbatical Year! 2015-2016 is the Year of Jubilee! With these added to the blood moons and the solar eclipses, God is sending a very BIG message to earth!


    There are additional heavenly signs added to the aforementioned phenomenal celestial events:
    • On February 15, 2013, the closest asteroid in history zipped past the earth. Scientist state that the asteroid, referred to as 2012 DA14, had a diameter of approximately 45m and an estimated mass of 130,000 tons. Scientist labelled this event as “an incredibly near miss.” Impact with the earth would have been catastrophic.
    • Also on February 15, 2013, a meteor exploded over Russia’s Ural Mountains with the power of an atomic bomb, its sonic blasts shattering countless windows and injuring about 1,100 people. The meteor — estimated to be about 10 tons and 49 feet wide — entered the Earth’s atmosphere at a hypersonic speed of at least 33,000 mph and shattered into pieces about 18-32 miles above the ground. Millions of dollars worth of damage was sustained by nearby cities.
    • The comet “PanSTARRS” will made an appearance in the heavens and be visibly seen streaking through the skies during March 2013.
    • One of the brightest comet in human history, will light up the skies beginning November 2013 through January 2014. It will be brighter than the moon and will be able to be seen in the day time. The last such bright comet occurred in 1680 AD. It is called an “event of a civilization,” unprecedented in human history!
    “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption is near!” (Luke 21:25)

    God is sending a very powerful yet clear message….THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST IS NEAR! The climax of all prophecy is at hand. Ancient prophecies are nearing the time of fulfilment, including His Return. They are:
    • The War of Obadiah, in which Israel will defeat and wipe out Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Hezbollah, Hamas, and other Arabic Moslem allies is imminent. Israel “will possess her possessions”- the majority of the Middle East with its massive oil reserves. (Book of Obadiah, Psalms 83, Isaiah 17)
    • The Gog-Magog War, which will be Russia’s reaction to the War of Obadiah, will occur shortly after Israel’s victory over the Arabic Islamic alliance. Russia, Iran, Turkey, Ethiopia, Libya and other allies will form a massive multi-million army to invade Israel. God will go to war on Israel’s behalf and destroy 5/6 of the invading armies and also those nations’ homelands. (Ezekiel 38 and 39)
    • The Rise of the Anti Christ, the False Prophet and the One World Governmental and Religious System. A 7 Year Treaty of peace and protection will be signed by all nations, including Israel, with the Anti Christ. (Daniel 9:27)
    • A world-wide persecution of believers in Christ will occur. (Luke 21: 12:18)
    • Deliverance of the Remnant of Israel (Micah 2:13) (Zechariah 12: 1-14) (Zechariah 13:9)
    • The Battle of Armageddon and the Return of Christ. (Zechariah 14: 1-21) (Luke 21:27) (Revelation 18:11-21)
    V. WHAT ARE THESE HEAVENLY MESSAGES SAYING TO THE CHURCH? A Warning – Get Ready!!!!!!!! (Luke 21:28-34)

    28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
    29 He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
    32 Truly I tell you; this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
    34 Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap.
    35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
    36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”


  127. DonaldN Jul 28th 2014

    I am addressing all those here who mention anything about the whole truth or the whole gospel. For years I have heard people talk about it and then, when I hear what they believe I realize they don’t know what the whole gospel really is, but they are still wrapped in tradition on many doctrines. Everyone thinks they preach the whole gospel but there are so many doctrines out that are from only one scripture and ignore many that if they would include all they would throw out their doctrine. I probably still have some traditional thinking left also, but I have decided to be willing to discard any doctrine if I find it to be traditional but unbiblical, and many doctrines have gone since I decided this.Trinity, instant salvation, slain in the spirit, Pastors as church leaders, to mention a few. Jesus said Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Many here and on other forums also mention the need to get busy and evangelize the world. I believe the people would listen to us if we really preach the truth rather than dead tradition that they have been hearing for centuries.

  128. DonaldN Jul 28th 2014

    Forgive me for not explaining the post before posting it. Sunday morning I was reading and these scriptures just began to come alive to me. I wrote them down and as I thought on the matter this whole study came together.
    It is a general post for all of us to consider for ourselves and also for others, when we present the gospel to them, to make sure we are presenting the whole gospel, not just a doctrine that came from one scripture, causing some to join in our tradition rather than Jesus.

  129. Steve Hicks Jul 28th 2014

    @ Gary. Darren Smith heads Streetscape Ministries in Texas. Their primary ministry is with the homeless on the streets there.

    Streetscape has a website at http://www.streetscapeministries.com/

    In Jesus, Steve

  130. ValleyAnt Jul 28th 2014

    David Marsh, thanks for that post. Things are really ‘shaking’.

    DonaldN, while no one should claim to have or present the whole truth, I don’t think anyone is able to present the whole truth in one setting (e.g. speaking to unbelievers) but “for precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isa. 28:10). It’s hard to present the whole truth if the foundation hasn’t been laid. Paul, however, said this of his own ministry:

    “I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles obedient— in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. And so I have made it my aim to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build on another man’s foundation” (Rom. 15:18-20).

    He says that in preaching ‘the whole gospel’, he made Gentiles obedient through signs and wonders and the power of the Spirit. He also says he wouldn’t build on someone else’s foundation. To me, that sounds like a ‘full gospel’. The ‘whole gospel’ begins with a foundation (Jesus Christ) which inevitably manifests in signs and wonders: together, the Word preached followed by supernatural evidence (as well as teaching precept on precept, here a little, there a little) makes people obedient. The primary issue always is the foundation or the beginning, and the question that is rarely pursued is “Where do we begin?”

    When we look at crowds of people, we see the rich, the poor, the black, the white, the strong, the weak, the sad, the happy, the haves, the have-nots; but Jesus, of course, saw everyone as they really are in the spirit: “When He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion, because they were harassed and helpless like sheep [are who have no shepherd]” (Mt. 9:36). It is very distressing to find today that no matter how good things may seem on the outside or even inside in our societies, “people need the Lord” as Steve Green sang; everyone without a shepherd is harassed and helpless even when they don’t look it. Only a ‘full gospel’ will truly get Him out to them; but even before this ‘full gospel’ goes out, there has to be a starting point which is ‘gathering together and waiting on the Lord’ as the disciples did before He sent them out. (Mt. 9:35-38, 10:1-42.) Here’s a link to that simple but profound song:


  131. DonaldN Jul 28th 2014

    Valley Ant, My point with the whole truth issue is not in any single presentation of the Gospel, but rather in the doctrines that people come up with that leave out much of the truth, or is actually wrong because they haven’t included other scriptures that complete the truth. The sinner’s prayer is a good example. It is taken basically from the scripture in Rom 10:9-10 but it leaves out much of the other word that explains it. In my evangelism class in Bible School years ago, we were supposed to read a book, I won’t even mention the name, but what it taught was a technique to get people to agree with you, say yes when you ask them if they want to accept Jesus into their heart and repeat the prayer with you. It even literally stated that you need to be quick with your presentation in order to get them to agree before they have time to think about it and turn down your offer. No faith involved at all, just get them to speak the right words and they are heaven bound and guaranteed salvation.
    That is why I tend to ask people to judge themselves according to their works, to know where their own faith is. I have done it often, and continue to do it and I continue to grow in knowledge as I learn from the Holy Spirit revealing the whole truth in the Bible. I have known many who evangelize, but that is their doctrine, to get them to say the prayer with them, then leave them and move on to another. I also know many people in the churches I have attended, and also friends and family that think they are on their way to heaven no matter what kind of life they live, because they said the prayer and profess Jesus. Their own works deny Jesus. My purpose is to hopefully get them to look at the Bible and see what it says about their salvation, not just accept the claim of some smooth talking evangelical salesman.

  132. ValleyAnt Jul 29th 2014

    DonaldN, after all the different methods and work and ministry to ‘save people’, I’ve become convinced that since Jesus is the One who really saves, and the Holy Spirit the One who draws people to Him, then it is the character of Jesus in a Christian that really draws people to be saved if it is real salvation. Nicodemus snuck out at night to meet with Jesus, and the first thing he said to Him was, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God.” When Peter and John were dragged before the Sanhedrin, the Sanhedrin “realized that they had been with Jesus.” In 1Jn., John sounds almost just like Jesus Himself. The more Jesus wins a Christian, the more He can win others through him. In our busyness and often carefully-fashioned personality, we forgot about the importance of character. Anyone can talk about Jesus, and any well-intentioned Christian can share the gospel with others; but how many Christians attract worldly people? Jesus did this in the past, and the more He lives in a Christian, He more we can see Him do this today. Paul said he preached the ‘full gospel’ in word and deed, saying things like, “You know what kind of men we were among you.”

    Many people say this, but apparently few understand it: the greatest witness of Jesus is in a person’s life, primarily their character. It isn’t what people do that really distinguishes people from each other, and personality can’t draw people to Christ; it’s a person’s character that speaks more than his words and even actions. David said, “Surely, You desire truth in the inward parts” or as The Message puts it, “What You are after is truth from the inside out” (Ps. 51:6). David meant ‘wholeness righteousness’. As one who was ‘pure in heart’, he realized when he sinned with Bathsheba that his heart may have been pure, but not all of it. He then realized that sin was in him from his origin (his mother’s womb) and so God wanted righteousness in him from his origin (his own womb: inward parts/innermost place); he then basically said, “I now understand that You want righteousness in my life to begin from my innermost place so that it is whole and not in part. You desire truth in the inward parts; You want righteousness to fill my INSIDES, because then it alone will flow out.” How can people be saved if it isn’t Jesus saving them?

    After all the false revivals, the compromised healers, the prideful prophets and apostles, and sinful preachers, how else do people see Jesus in a Christian than in his character (not his words or works)? The character first, not personality (outward person) or success or lack thereof in ministry is what Jesus means when He says, “You will know them by their fruits.” This inward character is what He is indicating, because right before this, He alludes directly to it: “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but INWARDLY are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.” Preaching and miracles may draw people to Christians, to maybe say a sinner’s prayer, to maybe join a church or even become converted; but it is the Holy Spirit (Jesus) in a Christian who draws people to the Jesus he/she follows, then it is up to them to decide for or against Him. “Through us, [God] diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge in every place. For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing… And who is adequate for a task such as this” (2Cor. 2:14-16). It’s easier for Christians to ‘do it’ (ministry, Christianity) than to let Jesus issue from within them (as that requires time spent letting Him ‘fill a person’s insides’ and change their character); but that doesn’t mean God has changed His original and favorite design on how ministry and Christianity are to be done.

  133. ValleyAnt Jul 29th 2014

    Returning to the original article above and Darren Smith’s last statement that “we need to network together and make a difference”, I happened on an article by Arthur Katz today. Here’s a bit of it that addresses the issue of spiritual connection-fellowship:

    “The powers of the world—its darkness, wiles, and subtleties—require the entire body to be alert; they require the strength that comes from the prayer and counsel of those of a like mind who are joined in an endeavor of this kind. Such an integration of life will be profoundly resisted by the powers of darkness, but these same powers can only be defeated by another wisdom, a people who are free from their influence, and who recognize how nefarious and sinister the powers of the air are. That kind of walk cannot be obtained by individuals, independent of a body of like-minded saints who are willfully joined in such an undertaking. It is clear that this requires more than Sunday services and mid-week Bible studies. We will need a frequency of fellowship, a going ‘from house to house daily breaking bread’ (Acts 2:46). We will need the counsel of others, and to be in the place where sin is recognized at its very inception because of the proximity to each other. It can only be a reality where there is an interaction and frequency of relationship and communion because you are joined with a conscious purpose.

    “It will not win the esteem of men, but we will not be ‘known’ by the powers of darkness unless we refuse the esteem of men. The powers will know when that choice is made: ‘Jesus, we know and Paul, we know, but who are you?’ (Acts 19:15). If we refuse this direction and call, we condemn ourselves to merely playing out our Christianity harmlessly and irrelevantly to the cosmic drama in which the church is set.” (http://artkatzministries.org/articles/an-apostolic-manifesto/)

    I’ve met many Christians who wrestled with the Lord or the Holy Spirit as He asked them to make a decision for Him. (This is pictorial language, not exactly as things happened.) satan stood on their left, often basically telling them, “Because you still enjoy your fleshly comforts, your flesh and I have a covenant. Remember that. You can’t serve two masters; you know that since you serve your flesh, you can’t serve the Lord.” And every single time, their ‘covenant’ with satan, by reason of choosing their flesh over Jesus, won out. As Katz says above, and as I said before, the enemy does strongly resist the connecting of Christians who will follow Jesus. His first and sometimes last appeal (almost like the ace up his sleeve) to such Christians is to their flesh: “Remember your covenant with me.” And if they in fact serve their flesh, they always yield. Jesus said, “No one can serve two masters… No one can serve [two opposing things].”

  134. Andrew T. Jul 29th 2014

    The term “those who call Evil good” has echoed in my mind every time I turn on the news or read newspapers or listen to the radio or even watch as the workplace policies and public policies deny God in all things at the fear of incurring the wrath of the Godless and unbelieving.
    I spent 50 years in churches from Pentecostal to Southern Baptist to non-denominational/methodist/baptist and all had one thing in common; they taught with voracity that doctrines of Paul took precedence over the teachings of Christ.
    I stop short of saying Paul was morphing the teaching of the Pharisees into a religion using Christ as a hook but no one can deny that every church Paul wrote was failing and had zero understanding of Christ or the Holy Spirit.
    Jesus Said that when he left He would send the “Spirit of Truth” and the Holy Spirit that He sent would “Call to remembrance” everything He said. Paul Never quoted Christ even once even while writint 2/3rds of what we refer to as the New Testament and base all Church Doctrine upon.
    It does not therefore surprise me that all churches are failing in passing on the message of Christ because they merely worship and imitate paul (as he told them to; be ye therefore imitators of ME).
    NO Paul’s words are not the way to Salvation, Salvation is only in the Words and Forgiveness of Christ (Y’hoshua). Who was never called “Jesus” except by interpretors and mistransliterations so how does the “name above all names” become lost? In a lost church? in a lost world?
    Why would a church founded on the teachings of a Pharisee that never taught the words of Christ be expected to bring Christ to the world????????
    For those that can hear, return to the words, works and teaching of Christ. Study who really decided that Paul is Holy and consider that the church of Paul is 180 degrees from the church that Christ taught about but He did warn of the teaching of the Pharisees.

  135. Andrew T. Jul 29th 2014

    PS If I were Satan, there would be two things I would do to keep the world from finding God…
    First I would invent religion to replace God with rituals and rules, that would make man feel justified and entitled to salvation when all are undeserving no matter who you are or what your earthly rank is.
    Second, I would make sure the Name of Christ (whom I fear and must bow to) would never be uttered by anyone and would replace it with an intellectual term unrelated to the savior of the world.
    A third thing is that I would bury the Name of God (yes God has a name, the term God is who he is but not His Name) so that the people that are called by His name would never know his name.

  136. ValleyAnt Jul 29th 2014

    Andrew T., satan is much more crafty, intelligent, and wise than you are. I agree that many churches wrongly put Paul’s words over Jesus’ words. But their idolatry when putting Jesus’ words before Paul’s is often the same: they, like the Pharisees, seem to make much of God’s Word (whether through Jesus or Paul), but they don’t make much of Jesus (God’s Word) at all, therefore, they have rejected Jesus along with His words and all the words in the Bible in reality.

    You said, “Paul Never quoted Christ even once even while writint 2/3rds of what we refer to as the New Testament and base all Church Doctrine upon.” Firstly, if we are to judge Paul’s authenticity by whether or not he quoted Jesus, then we must apply it to all other writers of the epistles. Secondly, Jesus said that all the apostles would walk in signs and wonders; but among the Twelve, only Peter and John are recorded as actually doing it. Furthermore, Paul and Barnabas, both post-ascension apostles, are recorded doing these very signs that Jesus told the Twelve they would do; and even more, two men who aren’t even apostles are recorded as also doing these signs: Stephen and Phillip. Do these ‘contradictions’ nullify Jesus’ words? And thirdly, of the Twelve original apostles, only three of them wrote NT Books, and only two of them wrote epistles: Peter and John. If we were to measure authentic Christians by whether or not they quoted Jesus, we have to reject Peter and John who never directly quoted Jesus in their epistles. However, Paul does quote Jesus which, according to your test, would make him the only authentic Christian among all writers of epistles. Paul quoted Jesus at least FOUR different ways: in-conjuction (quoting the same Scripture Jesus quoted), indirectly, directly, and unrecorded (something Jesus said that isn’t recorded in the Gospels or Acts). Here are some passages for these:

    1. In-conjunction: Jesus gave His disciples directions about where to minister and told them not to take any money, “for the worker deserves his wages” (Lk. 10:7). Paul then gives directions on how to honor ministers and says, “For Scripture says, ‘Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,’ and ‘The worker deserves his wages'” (1Tim. 5:18).

    2. Indirectly: “The Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel” (1Cor. 9:14) and “To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): a wife must not separate from her husband” (1Cor. 7:10).

    3. Directly: “For I received from the Lord the teaching that I passed on to you: that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took a piece of bread, gave thanks to God, broke it, and said, ‘This is My body, which is for you. Do this in memory of Me.’ In the same way, after the supper He took the cup and said, ‘This cup is God’s new covenant, sealed with My blood. Whenever you drink it, do so in memory of Me'” (1Cor. 11:23-25, TEV).

    4. Unrecorded: Paul said, “Remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive'” (Acts 20:35). These words are unrecorded in the Bible: “There are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen” (Jn. 21:25).

    Human wisdom can’t approach God’s wisdom; He has every inch of detraction or ‘escape’ covered in the Bible. Not only is it only Paul, among writers of epistles, who directly quotes Jesus, but the quotes that he was led of the Spirit to quote are actually very strategic and important ones (e.g. two quotes are about the worker and his wages, and two quotes are about Jesus’ sacrifice and the body-blood communion of the Saints where Paul clearly says, “For I received from the Lord the teaching which I passed on to you”; two is the number of witness, evidence, and confirmation that GOD is the One speaking/approving/acting).

    I don’t believe the other epistles quote Jesus (of course, Revelation isn’t an epistle, and Acts can be cut out if people are too specific) except where they quoted ‘in-conjuction’ with Jesus as Peter did here: “It is written: ‘Be holy, for I am holy'” (1Pet. 1:16). Paul quotes Jesus, names Jesus, expounds on Jesus’ work, directs people to Jesus, labors for Jesus more than every other NT writer. If you are Jewish or have any Jewish blood in you, you have to be careful: the same spirit (Judaism-Pharisaism) which chased Paul for rejecting Judaism, choosing Jesus, and going to the Gentiles is still after him today. It chased Jesus out of the synagogue for telling about God working among Gentiles (Lk. 4:16-30), attacked Peter for going to the Gentiles (Acts 10-11), and it pursued Paul from city to city. There are Jewish-owned (Messianic Christian) sites that claim that Paul wasn’t a genuine Christian and that his epistles contradict John’s and Jesus’ sayings. There is no fragment of truth in this. Don’t continue the persecution of the one who “labored more than them all” for Jesus, for the Gospel, and for the Gentiles to become “partakers with [the Jews] of Grace” (Phil. 1:7).

  137. ValleyAnt Jul 29th 2014

    Three posts ago, I mentioned the importance of the character of Christ within Christians (brought about in ‘the communion of Saints’) that really wins unbelievers and referred to Ps. 51:6. Today, I happened on the NLT translation of the passage which expanded on what I was seeing:

    “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me. Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, and in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom” (NKJV).

    “I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me. But You desire honesty from the womb, teaching me wisdom even there” (NLT).

    The NLT footnotes reads “from the womb” as “from the heart” and “in the inward parts”. David was sinful from his mother’s womb (inward parts, from his very origin), and God desired righteousness to be in his origin (womb, origin, spirit, heart, inward parts). I also mentioned that it is this character transformation (Christlikeness) that draws the world to Jesus as He said. Arthur Katz said, “I’m very fond of saying, ‘Many saved, few converted'” (http://artkatzministries.org/articles/apostolic-conversion/). We say that revival begins individually– from the inside out”; it does, and only converted Christians convert unbelievers (others may simply get unbelievers ‘saved’). David agrees. After realizing he was a sinner “from the inside out” and that God therefore wanted him to be a Saint the same way (“Be holy as your heavenly Father is holy”), David prayed:

    “Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me… Then I will teach transgressors Your ways, and sinners shall be converted to You.”

    I only now saw his acknowledgement that it is the reformed who can reform others, the revived who can revive others, the converted who can convert others. Again, this kind of inward revival and reformation begins individually. Within ‘connected groups’ of Christians, it greatly multiplies in strength and purity, and from ‘connected groups’ then INEVITABLY ‘rolls out’ or ‘unfurls’ to those who are nearby and on into the world within each sphere.

  138. DonaldN Jul 30th 2014

    Andrew T. I take it that you are saying that the Bible as we accept it is not the Word of God. You deny Paul’s teachings and say that they are false teachings. If only the words of Jesus count, then we are all most miserable because even the “quotes” of Jesus were written by other men. If it is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, and if the writings of men hold no value, then we have nothing. The word says about the old testament writers that it was the Spirit of Christ inspiring them.

    1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
    11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
    12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

    If we cannot trust the Bible as being the inspired Word of God, then our entire religion is in vain.

    If you believe that God is so powerless that He cannot inspire His Word to be written by men, then I don’t know what God you believe in.

  139. ValleyAnt Jul 30th 2014

    Again, regarding Darren Smith’s “we need to network together and make a difference”, I got an email yesterday from a blog I’d responded to. The author uses at least one word that many have become wary of among the NAR types (the word ‘mountain(s)’), but the article itself is ‘whole’ or ‘full’ and resonates, and the Lord has told me since ’12 to pursue fellowship and connection with genuine ‘apostolic people’ (which was why the title of the article caught my attention).

    The article reminds me of the ‘good news’ that God has in store for so many but which most have not yet seen and which many don’t even know exists. The author of the article does a good job expressing what I was trying to say in that it is Jesus’ character in Christians that will ‘draw all men to Him’. She writes in part:

    “The tidal wave of apostolic signs and wonders will certainly produce supernatural demonstrations of the 1 Corinthians 12 power gifts of 1.) faith 2.) healing 3.) miracles. These, the church have become somewhat accustomed to in bygone periods of renewal and revival. These are the manifestations that attest to apostolic ministry (2 Corinthians 12:12). In the coming move, however, the people of that move will become signs and wonders, themselves. According to the Isaiah 8:18 account, ‘Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells in mount Zion.’ Not only should we prepare to experience signs and wonders, we are to become the signs and wonders attesting the Lordship of our God and King.”

    EXACTLY. Beyond miracles, ‘genuine Christians’ (really, apostolic believers) will themselves be the signs and wonders because of the Lord and His character (and power) in them: “Through us [God] diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge in every place. For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing (among everyone)” (2Cor. 2:14-15). This is what God’s version of “network together and make a difference” looks like. I am looking forward to this. The article is here: http://definingwords.com/2011/12/16/characteristics-of-apostolic-people/