“WE’VE LOST THE GOSPEL” – by Andrew Strom

There is no tragedy in the world worse than this – the church losing the gospel. We could have a hundred terrorist attacks, or earthquakes, or hurricanes, and it would still not outweigh the tragedy of this one thing – WE HAVE LOST THE GOSPEL. Nothing can compare to this disaster – nothing.

For when you lose the gospel, you lose salvation. People are actually no longer becoming saved. (Remember, Paul said that the gospel is the “POWER OF GOD unto salvation”). And when people are no longer truly becoming saved, you also lose the church. For no true gospel = no true church.

People will tell me that I am being too “drastic”. Well, I want to say to you that I am not being drastic enough. In fact, if I were to shout through 1000 megaphones directly into your ears, it would not be possible for me to overemphasize just how disastrous and awful and horrific it is that our backslidden Western church today has – to all intents and purposes – lost its gospel. And in doing so it has lost its very reason for being.

We tell everybody that all they need to do is say a little rote prayer accepting Jesus as their “personal savior”. Tell me, where is such a thing in Scripture? Does such a thing even come close to existing? Can you recall even ONE person doing such a thing to become a Christian in the Bible? Did any of the Apostles in Acts ever say to someone, “Just repeat this little prayer after me”? Or “Quietly slip up your hand – no need for anyone to see”? Can you remember ANYONE in Scripture doing anything like that?

No, you can’t. That is because nobody ever did. It is all a modern fabrication – a complete invention. -This is no salvation at all. We act like people can safely forget about CONVICTION of sin and DEEP REPENTANCE and WATER-BAPTISM and getting FILLED with the Holy Spirit. -Just “optional extras”, eh? But look at ‘Acts’ and tell me – was there ever such a thing as real Christianity with- out these things? And what about getting a CLEAN CONSCIENCE (-washed in the blood) and KEEPING IT CLEAN? Are we ever told how to walk in THAT today?? -To actually “walk” in the washing of the blood of Jesus? To be clean, to be utterly “Clean”, to be EVERY WHIT CLEAN?? (-The most important thing in the world). Where is this in our gospel? Where is the transformed life? Where is the “FREEDOM” from sin?

We have lost it all. Our people very rarely repent. They often go for years without baptism (-meaning, according to Romans 6, that their “old man” is not yet dead – and so they simply cannot live a new life in Christ). Read Romans 6 sometime and ask yourself this question- “If I have not been baptized, then is my old life “buried” with Christ or not? Is my ‘old man’ dead or not?” -This is why the apostles always baptized people RIGHT AWAY.

And then we often fail to get people ‘FILLED’ with the Spirit straight away too – let alone “walking” in the Spirit. Tell me, how are we supposed to have ‘HOLINESS’ if we have not even been filled with the “HOLY” Spirit? Why do you think that the apostles always made sure that people became Spirit-filled RIGHT AWAY??

Most of us do not even have “Day One” Christianity as it was in the Bible. We have lost the gospel and we don’t even know it. We have invented a gospel of ‘convenience’, a gospel without the cross, a gospel without holiness or the power to live a Christian life. -A gospel that shows no-one how to get a CLEAN CONSCIENCE or how to WALK IN IT. I want to say to you that such a gospel is NO GOSPEL AT ALL. And we should be ashamed of ourselves for preaching such a travesty.

No wonder today’s church is lukewarm! The gospel is the building block upon which everything else is built. Without it we have nothing – literally nothing. It affects all that we do and all that we are. To lose it is simply the worst disaster imaginable. So how on earth can we get it back?

Well, we have spoken about “Revival” many times on this site. But what a lot of people don’t realize is that the ‘RETURN OF THE GOSPEL’ was often the key that brought about the Great Awakenings – the GOSPEL being restored and preached in power. The longest-lasting Revivals always involved the “RETURN OF THE GOSPEL”. That is precisely what was happening with the preaching of Wesley, Finney, Whitefield, etc. And it has to happen again today!

So “Revival” to me is far more than just a fleeting visitation. It is to be the long-lasting restoration of the true gospel – and thus the true church also. If we want true Christianity restored today, we must first see THE GOSPEL restored. It is the most important key to it all. O God, send such a Revival! BRING BACK THE GOSPEL and those who will PREACH IT! O God, we cry out to you in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

-By Andrew Strom – [email protected]

Posted in Articles by Andrew on June 6th, 2013 at 11:29 am.


281 Replies

  1. stephen boyce Jun 6th 2013

    I totally agree the church is in a massive mess and I preach the gospel to people as much as I can and tell them to change their ways. Sadly I have a street team in a mess go to way out charismatic churches with kundalini spirits and get drunk on devils

  2. Kevin Stiller Jun 6th 2013

    I go to a church in Brisbane, Australia, where the congregational philosopy is ….. “The pastors are infallable”…… “When there is a difference between the Word of God and the word of man, the word of man must prevail”…… “Once saved, always saved”, ect., ect., just like all the other chuches in Brisbane. Then these churches wonder why God doesn’t answer their prayers. IN THE LATTER DAYS PEOPLE WILL BE LOVERS OF SELF, AND WILL GATHER AROUND THEM PREACHERS WHO WILL TICKLE THEIR EARS.

  3. Praise The LORD Andrew
    We know that we and many others are preaching the TRUE Gospel, The Whole Counsel Of GOD! Yet….Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
    Amo 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

    People are NOT Hearing! GOD must give people ears to hear.
    We Must all press on None the less.
    No Turning Back!

  4. Rom_10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
    Mat_24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    Pro_28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
    Joh_8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
    Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
    Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

  5. A few ARE still being saved in the West — in the historic, Biblical (only) way. I’ve seen them at my church – before, after and years later, transformed and growing. That said, your larger point stands. They are rare.

    One of the root causes we’ve seen is an erosion of understanding of sin and its absoluteness… its immutability in light of an unchanging God (e.g., see Malachi 3:6, James 1:17). Until people come to understand sin, at its root, as rebellion against that One, True, Unchanging Sovereign Creator God, the good news will make no sense at all. People may ‘add’ it to their life — if and while it’s convenient for them — but they will not embrace it as their only hope… the very source of life itself.

  6. Amen, Andrew. It’s as clear as crystal. Just read Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:16; John 3:5; Acts 2:38; 8:26-39; 10:47-48; 16:30-34; 18:8; 22:16; 1 Peter 3:18-22; Romans 6; Colossians 2:6-15; Galatians 3:26-27; Ephesians 4:5; 5:26; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:22; Titus 3:1-7. Faith, repentance, baptism and the gift of the Holy Spirit – it all went together as a salvation package. And we were just as clearly wrned not to preach another gospel. Galatians 1:6-9, or to tickle ears. 2 Timothy 4:1-5. Unfortunately, millions have preached Ephesians 2:8-9, not understanding that by grace through faith includes baptism. Just compare Ephesians 2:1-9 with Colossians 2:11-14 and Acts 18:8 with Acts 18:27; and then notice Titus 3:4-7. Baptism has been wrongly taught by denominations to be a work of man and merely a symbolic ritual without saving value. They never ever got that idea from the Bible; they got it from Satan!!! Please read your Bible instead of listening to populist preachers purveying powerless poison..
    Downunderwriter David

  7. christine Jun 6th 2013

    I thought about the same thing Mike. It is the Holy Spirit not us.

    People don’t want the gospel the “church” is offering because they see the “church” backbiting, lying, cheating, and tearing one another down on a daily basis. They put a man up there right with God and begin to listen and do anything and everything they say. I know because I was right there. I have been in the process of repenting and guess what I am entering a place of personal revival! We must humble ourselves and turn to HIM and Him alone.

    I pray that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of ALL people and that they would humble themselves, pray, repent, and follow the ONE TRUE GOD!

  8. Hi Andrew. I feel that you are slowly coming around to our position. When you say that the Church has lost the Gospel, then of course that is not true. Now, what passes for the Church has lost the Gospel, but the cross-less , Christ-less, cultural Christianity that has masqueraded as the Church is simply coming to full fruition.

    God is not mocked as you know brother, what is sown, even if it appears to be wheat, acts like wheal, looks like wheat will eventually, and if you know what a tare is, eventually reveal itself to be a tare just before the harvest. There is God’s remnant Church. Its always been that way down through the ages, remnant church, pilgrim church, call it what you like but its always been there, it has always represented the Truth, it has always been marginalized , always been persecuted by that which passes for the Church.

    It’s the Cain and Abel spirit coming to fruition. One is acceptable, the other is not. One is of the flesh, one is not. One has the position, one has the anointing. Saul and David are a good example of this spirit, or Jesus and the Pharisees, or the Catholic church and the martyrs, known by many different names. Or the reformers and the ana-baptists or Moravians.

    You name the century, and God has had His people. Things are just becoming clearer now because the time of the Lord coming back for His Bride is at hand. The virgins are awakening and it’s dark, the Bride-groom is coming and the lamps are to be trimmed, but where is the oil? Indeed, where is the oil?

    It burns still in the Lord’s own children and it burns with a passion. So, to you saints out there I say God bless you brothers and sisters, God is with you still and in fact is preparing you. He has taken you into desert places so that you will rely upon Him completely and not upon any institutions that claim to be the Church. You are the Church. Two or three of you remnant saints are the Church, not as man defined it but as God has declared it.

    And because of the lateness of the day, that which passed for the Church, that ancient enemy ,the flesh, will soon persecute those of the Spirit in such a fashion as has never been seen before. Yet, equal to the persecution to come, as it comes in like a flood, God will raise up a standard in you, fill you with His Spirit, so that despite any circumstances, you will overcome just as He overcame.

    My suggestion to all saints is to find other like-minded saints and gather together with them, even if it is only two or three, and do it all the more as you see that time approaching. God bless all my brothers and sisters out there. I love you guys and remember that great High Priestly prayer of Jesus in John 17. He came for this purpose, that we may be one as He and the Father are one. And then, the world will know that Jesus was sent by God the Father because of His great love. And why? So that we may behold His glory, so that we may ” where I am that they may behold my glory which you gave to me.” It is time to press in and behold His glory.

  9. L. Alex Smith Jun 6th 2013

    To make Jesus your personal saviour? William Shakespeare wrote, “A rose by any other name smells as sweet.” Titus 2:13 “Looking for that blessed hope and glorious appeariing of our great God and SAVIOUR Jesus Christ.” How about “personal”? John 14:23 “If a MAN (or Woman, but it’s put as a single individual) love me, HE (singular) will keep my words: and my Father will love HIM (sing.) and we will come unto HIM (Sing.) and make our abode with HIM (Singular). Most of the time in the Old Covenant, God was the Saviour of “His people” –as a GROUP. In the New Covenant, there IS a direct emphasis on Individual, PERSONAL salvation. So the phrase is not un-warranted. Of course, “slip up your hand, no one is looking” is Pathetic in my book… it calls for no public testimony. But GOD is the one to judge the heart of that individual, as to whether they actually mean what they are saying, thinking, praying, and surrendering to Him. When we can not see, it will be the eventual Fruit that will show forth whether or not this was genuine. I think that it SHOULD be a public declaration of faith, not hidden behind “every eye closed”….but God is the judge of the hearts. And, not in every case in the NT is there evident on-the-spot repentance…such as Cornelius’ house, ” ‘,,,that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.’ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the Word.” We can Assume that they Repented, but the text doesn’t mention it. It sounds as if it was a hidden work in the hearts of those who heard, and God doesn’t pour out His Spirit on rank sinners…so we can assume that as Peter spoke, they Believed (and repented, presumably)….

  10. sharon Jun 6th 2013

    What Frank and Mike said. Amen
    The church of Jesus Christ is here and waiting. We know the scriptures say that at the end would there be any faith left. So cling to the faith once delivered to the saints and remember look up and lift up your heads, redemption draws near.

  11. I FULLY AGREE HERE WITH ANDREW – and I truly hear and feel his heart of brokenness in all of this I too have the same brokenness – and guys this is in both the In Church and the Out of Church – THE FALLING AWAY IS HERE! Read 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-5 – THIS SHOULD GREATLY CONCERN US – WE HAVE SO LITTLE TIME LEFT – TRUELY THE HEARVEST IS GREATER THAT WE THOUGHT.

    Andrew we need you here in America again.

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  13. Not only look up, yes test our hearts see if we too are in the faith,if we are fulfilling the great commission that we are not shy or ashamed of the true gospel of Jesus Christ, BUT look around, hell is real, do we even believe in hell anymore? no one seems to even speak of it all comfy in their own salvation,

    I do not say this in bitterness, NO! but in a broken heart every day, I have to get alone with Jesus every day to stand strong and to be of any use to him, for the hour is late and many are living in deception and lukewarmness.- may I exort yo, stir you up, u to go and make real disciples of Jesus Christ.

  14. I agree people philosophize the word of God… take God’s word out and put their own in can you believe it!!! even bible versions do the same and the NIV is a good example. God only wrote one Bible and that’s the Bible most people in the church want to get rid of. and the Gospel,The Kingdom Gospel is merchandised can you believe it….

  15. Frank what you have said here is also true, the question is are we of his true remnant? for it is only this remnant you describe here that will overcome finish the race, as you say have their Lamps trimmed and ready, but in the dessert is where we have been pruned, taken out of ourselves surrendered to Christ alone, – BUT what is it that is on the heart of the Father ? what is it that breaks our Lord Jesus’ heart also?

    Might I say with full confidence – the lost and the lost in deception!

    Might I say Jesus disciples gave their very lives for the true gospel of Jesus Christ litterly through death and persecution are we whom have been pruned and tested in the dessert to be any different?

    Jesus died that many might be saved. He cried, for the laborers were so few, sheep without a shepherd/witness to oversee/disciple them.

    I am absolutely in agreement we find two or three others living in true community, ,true agape love for him and one another, but let us go and make disciples pray for divine appointments and those whom the Lord may put in our path, real face to face gospel his light in a very dark world,

    Might I say if we have not a heart for the lost we are in essence beginning to fall away.

    The message of the whole of Gods word is salvation and relationship. We were not called away to the desert to stay there forever.
    In His Love, lynn

  16. We have lost the gospel because we have lost the focus on Jesus Christ.

    We preach a gospel ABOUT Jesus Christ, about repentance, about salvation. But He tends not to be the focus. He IS THE GOSPEL, He is salvatiion, repentance is found only through a revelation of Him, not simply His message.

    The gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did. Those are more than facts, they are living relaties that collide with unregenerate hearts and transform them.

    One can preach against sin, proclaim the need for holiness and repentance, and the atoning death of Jesus the Christ – and still not present Jesus Christ. Present Him and you will present His gospel and His life.

  17. Ejimanze Jun 6th 2013

    ‘His name shall be called Jesus, the angel announced, ‘for He shall save His people from their sins.’ That was His ToR, His divine mandate which was embodied in His very name. The question then is, is Jesus able to save to the uttermost they that come to and put their trust in Him? Does He have what it takes to present to Himself a Church without spot or wrinkle or any blemish? Methinks the answer is a resounding YES!
    Ever wondered that the scriptures numbers practically everything but this:

    Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

    Matthew 16:18 – And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    Men and brethren, hang on, hold the fort, for He is coming! I have seen His star!

  18. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    Yes! Yes! Yes!
    Now you are prophesying brother Andrew!
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “B ut the righteous man shall live by faith.” (Romans 1:16, 17 NASB)

    But what is the good news we are NOT preaching and that we MUST return to preaching?

    For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, (1 Corinthians 1:22, 23 NASB)

    JESUS CHRIST IS THE GOSPEL!!!plus nothing!!!

    If you read over 99.9% of the articles and posts not just on this website but VIRTUALLY EVERY half decent website today what DON’T YOU HEAR AND SEE????

    The problem isn’t what these sights ARE SAYING!

    Read through the articles and posts – WHERE IS THE NAME AND THE PERSON OF CHRIST CENTRAL TO WHAT IS SAID?????

    Jesus Christ and him crucified IS THE GOSPEL- which is the power of God for salvation for everyone WHO BELIEVES!

    As long as people make their so called “gospel” about RESULTS they are NOT PREACHING CHRIST AMD HIM CRUCIFIED!!!

  19. Andrew is right one must be Baptised in the Holy Spirit for the Empowering/ Anointing of the gospel of Jesus Christ we need to be a walking living example of Jesus Christ as we are being made more and more into his likeness, joined to him as we present the gospel full of power, full of his light, and it is the Holy Spirit that convicts one of sin and brings them to repentance.

  20. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 NASB)

  21. Marie Jun 6th 2013

    This is powerful! Amen.

    When we attended an Acts 2:38 believing church, my family and I were baptized in water, and my husband and I filled with the precious Holy Spirit. Total repentence represented death, baptized completely under the water, represents burial, and the in-filling of the Holy Spirit represents Resurrection power.

    I thank the Lord Jesus for leading us there, to a church that obeyed these commands. However, in man’s carnal nature, this same church also taught and demanded ‘works’ that were not always scriptural.

    What I gleaned from this is that every church denomination has at least one fallacy in their teaching. Because we are carnal men, and because churches are listed as tax exempt institutions, and because ministries believe they need the ‘tithe’ to operate God’s Church, and because it slowly twists their minds into seeking more offerings and envisioning a great filled church, they eventually lose their power.

    But, I still would encourage anyone and everyone to be baptized if they haven’t already been. Not only is it in scripture, but it does something inside you. It actually gives you an assurance, a sense, that you are sealed and have publicly made a statement that we want to be recognized as having the death, burial and resurrection (still to come) with our Savior. There is something awesome that happens in our soul.

    After we moved and left this denomination, I still felt the conviction of their first and foremost appeal, and that was for all to be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins, and to be filled with the Holy Spirit, as was the promise by the prophet Joel that His Spirit would be poured out onto all flesh. And when we ask, He is faithful to present Himself to us and fill us.

    I’ve come to terms that the majority of churches in the west today are not focusing on repentence and godly sorrow for our sins. And westerners are too proud to admit that they do any wrong sometimes. No one seeks forgiveness anymore. People would rather hold on to petty grudges and feel the victim, rather than admit a fault. Our national leaders lie and accuse and distort and never show an example of forgiving when they slander others. Our kids don’t see any examples of our society begging for mercy or asking for forgiveness or fearing God. The churches don’t fear God anymore. Yet the demons tremble at the mention of God. But our societies in the west have seared consciences where they feel entitled and want to be treated extra-special. They are extremely narcissistic and there are many narcissists in churches.

    I believe the reason there are so many narcissists in western churches is because ministers teach prosperity, success, entitlement, and keeping oneself in a perpetual state of joy. They try to keep their congregations on the ‘mountain’ and never tell them that there are valleys down below that are necessary to refine us, and to test us. Their god is like the Ghost of Christmas Present (Christmas Carol) which never lets them see how miserable we all are and every breath we receive is from the Lord and if He were to claim us tonight, would we be ready?

    The ministers aren’t preparing the saints to be ready for if at any moment Jesus would call us home.

    I agree, Bro. Andrew, we are witnessing right now the last days prophecy regarding many in the valley of decision, and many being sent strong delusion, and I believe that are few churches that haven’t been poisoned by at least one strong delusion.

    The Gospel is all we have to live by. No more will the church system be allowed to steal the Lord’s sheep and lambs. I think it’s time to get out of her while there is still time.

  22. Yes Amen, because of the cross and his shed blood, but this always includes faith and repentance for ones salvation and a turning towards God and joined to Christ through baptism, for the remission of ones sins, then they shall receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, this is what Peter preached this is the gospel of Jesus Christ..

  23. Hi Lynne, yes indeed. God’s true Church, His remnant saints love what He loves. What does He love? He loves the world so much that He sent His Son. And those in whom the Kingdom of God dwells will love the lost. God also loves His children. God’s remnant children will love each other, in fact you will know them by their love for one another. He is beginning to gather His remnant saints, gather them together. I believe we are beginning to see a visible manifestation of His remnant saints gathering, and we will see it all the more as He approaches and persecution increases.

  24. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:6-9 NASB)

  25. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. (Mark 1:1 NASB)

    And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (Mark 16:15, 16 NASB)

    Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel, (2 Timothy 2:8 NASB)

    Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, (Romans 16:25 NASB)

    Jesus Christ PLUS NOTHING is the ONLY TRUE gospel!


  26. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:24 NASB)

    For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. (1 Corinthians 2:2 NASB)

  27. Ejimanze Jun 6th 2013

    @ Alex, and @ Frank.
    Frankly ur submissions blessed and encouraged me. Spot on! And wrapped with the right anointing of love!

  28. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. (1 Corinthians 1:17 NASB)

  29. Johan Laubser Jun 6th 2013

    Andrew, I am so sorry, but I cannot agree with you at all! I cannot loose the gospel. Jesus is the Gospel. I met Him years ago and cannot loose Him. He loves me too much. He will NEVER leave nor forsake me. I am saying “I” because meeting Jesus is an individual experience and NOT the corporate event that some people are trying to make of it. If you have lost Jesus,then all I want to say to you is this: You are being deceived as being abandoned and that is a LIE! People are being judged for being “out of church”, by the Grace of God, How can I be out of Him who lives in me? Are we going nuts? Please ,read your Bibles and see that Jesus came to set us free from this condemnation and He broke the yoke of sin over our lives. I cannot fall away because I understand and accept what Jesus has done for me. Trust me in this: Tell people the truth without taking their money and you will preach another Gospel. Freely you have received and freely you should give! If you allow the Holy Spirit to make you understand the Grace of God by which you are saved through Jesus, then you will long not to live an unholy live and you will want others to be set free as well. WE SHOULD START REPENTING FROM REPENTING! Jesus has done it all. He will return, He will reign, He will receive His bride whom He has made righteous. He did not do an incomplete work!

  30. Barry Schmidt Jun 6th 2013

    Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:37, 38 NASB)

    and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30, 31 NASB)

    Are we ashamed of the gospel?
    Are we ashamed of JESUS CHRIST?

  31. Ejimanze Jun 6th 2013

    Hi Frank McEleny. Do you have a blog or somethings you’ve written, or write? Would sure like to ‘hear’ more from you…

  32. Andrew – I have to agree. We have substituted the commentaries and traditions of men for the Word of God. Unfortunately so many of those called by the Holy Spirit end up in cemeteries (seminaries) where instead of learning to be followers of Christ they learn the traditions of a denomination, how to be politically correct and to market the “gospel” using the ways of man. I am still trying to find anything in Scripture that says, “Hire a man call him a Pastor and put him in charge of the “church”..
    Recently, after a lot of prayer we have started a home church where Jesus is the Senior Pastor and our goal is to seek Him, be His witnesses, be His disciples and seek to love one another in such a way that the world might know.
    I am finding that there are many home (house) churches starting…where relationship with Christ and one another is more important than building large buildings with a program for everyone!

  33. Claudia Jun 6th 2013

    And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (Mark 16:15, 16 NASB)

    How did they preach the gospel when they did not have the Bible?

    What is the “Gospel” ?

    How do you all define what the “Gospel” is that is being lost in the church? Is the “Gospel” dependent on the traditions of the many and variant churches of man?

    Is the Gospel dependent on the Bible that we now have?

    WHAT IS THE GOSPEL? Please define it for me so I can see if we are all on the same page.

    While answering this question above….keep in mind that Jesus Christ told us that His Yoke was easy and simple.

  34. Pauline Beddow Jun 6th 2013

    AMEN I am so glad in this time of luke warm gospel preaching and watered down, people pleasing teaching that someone is taking a stand in favour of the true word of God, I was amazed last week when I went out with a friend who is a soon to be methodist minister to hear her say (in front of non saved friends)amongst other things that a baby who is christened is saved and that she is in touch with muslims who serve the same God as us and so she believes they (and almost in fact everyone) is going to heaven, Despite my quoting scriptures to point out the error of what she believed , she was not swayed, The enemy needs to do very little these days to lead Christians astray when we have Pastors, preachers etc doing it for him, Please continue to speak out,

  35. 1Jn 1:9 KJV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    To be clean is to acknowledge what we hear from His voice. The word for confess in the Greek is ‘homologia’, a compound word ‘same matter or thing’, meaning to acknowledge what has been heard from another. So, to me this means taking time before the Lord, hearing Him and then acknowledging the truth of what he says; identifying our sins and as this is obeyed, the verse promises us that he will cleanse from all sins that he brings to our attention for repentance. This is very simple.

  36. Johan Laubser Jun 6th 2013

    Over the last few weeks it has been said over and over again. If one does not HEAR AND LISTEN then I am afraid that you are going to believe the LIE of trying to figure it out. IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS! It is just for reading and understanding…I wish I could say it as clear as the Holy Spirit, but then again if you cannot understand Him, how will what I say ever make sense? Oh Lord, have mercy…

  37. Robert Jun 6th 2013

    I think a woman named Lynn wrote “Andrew we need you in America.”

    Sorry “Lynn” we don’t need anyone in America. God took Andrew out of America when he was shut down at the border years ago. (that was God’s doing, not man’s)

    We need God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit in America and to humble ourselves, stop pedalstooling man and look unto HIM. For it is HE that saves, not man and HE will bring forth those that truly Love , Honor, are willing to repent, renounce and forgive one another .

    It is the Holy Spirit NOT man. Andrew might have a few good words every now and then, but don’t mix to two.

  38. Marie Jun 6th 2013

    Christ was preached to an Ethiopian. I believe this is a perfect example of how we are to witness:

    In Acts 8, it tells us the story of how an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip to arise and go toward a road that lead to Gaza. He went and a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch, was sitting in his chariot reading Isaiah. Then the Spirit said to Philip to go near and overtake this chariot. So Philip asked him if he understood what he was reading? And the eunuch said, “How can I unless someone guides me?” The scripture he was reading was: “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; And as a lamb before its shearer is silent, So He opened not His mouth. In His humiliation His justice was taken away, And who will declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth”.

    Acts 8:35 – “Then Philip opened his mouth and beginning at the Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See here, is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God”. So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down in the water, and he baptized him. Now, when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunich saw him no more; and he was on his way rejoicing.”

    The whole book of Acts, which is the manual of instruction to the Church, given to us by the Lord himself, before he ascended into heaven. Luke 24:46 – “Then he said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dea the third day, and that repentence and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of the things. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”

    The Holy Spirit was promised. And when they preached all throughout the Book of Acts, they commanded those who repented to be baptized in water and the Holy Spirit fell on all of them.

    I don’t want to get into a doctrinal argument. I do know many good christian friends who were ‘saved’ in an intimate way, without a mediator, pastor, present. And others will say they performed a ‘sinner’s prayer’ and received Jesus as Lord of their life. I also know some christians believe that once they commit to Jesus in a personal prayer, that they are permanently saved.

    I’m not a theologian, nor an educated bible scholar; but I know that whatever Jesus commanded I need to do. And if I read the scripture that is the authenticated Word of God through the Holy Spirit commands us like Peter commanded the early church to – ” Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call” I say, do it.

    A pastor once said, “better to have it and not need it, than to need it, and not have it.

  39. Jordan Shepherd Jun 6th 2013

    I agree Andrew, the Church and the Gospel are synonymous – one cannot function independently of the other.

    When I was saved at the age of 27, 23 years ago, I received supernatural healing, baptism of the holy spirit and water baptism, on the same night. Conviction of sin, humility before God and the grace of God all worked wonderfully to bring me to the point of salvation. I must add that I made a public declaration of surrender and faith to Jesus before a large crowd of people. Was it dignifying for me? No. Was it dignifying to Jesus when he suffered the scorn and shame that we deserved? Again, No.

    I witnessed to others in the power of the spirit immediately. The presence and power of the spirit was with me. Later, the holy spirit led me on a journey to apprehend the Gospel. I was so hungry to understand the Gospel, not satisfied to enjoy this new life on my own, but to bring understanding to others as well as live my life to the glory of God. Freely we have received; freely we give. I did not know that Scripture at this time.

    Essentially, I embarked upon the holy spirit’s program of evangelism, without prompting of any evangelism courses, method’s or techniques. I love the Gospel and have shared it thousands of times. Some of that activity will be gifting in operation and some of it will be purely living as one is led of the holy spirit, not being ashamed of the Gospel.

    Why do Christians shy away from the Gospel? I have my answers and have preached it, once. How many people have we met who actually hunger to understand the Gospel? I still hunger today for greater understanding. After all, how can we “obey the Gospel” if we are limited in our understanding of it? I desire to know more, so that somehow I may share in the fellowship of His suffering. In this sense, I agree with L.Alex Smith’s comment above regarding the individual and personal dimension to salvation.

    I would love to say much and commenced writing a book on this subject early last year. However, late last year I sensed the beginning promptings of the holy spirit speak to me on sharing more of Christs return than sharing of the Gospel. It now seems a matter of urgency to both share the Gospel and exhort fellow believers to godly living, in preparation of Christ’s soon return.

    I have spoken mostly about personal evangelism but wish to also acknowledge the need for preaching the Gospel in the power and anointing of the spirit. Why has that diminished? Because of competing interests in the church’s “curriculum” so to speak. It now seems a matter of priority to equip people with life principles to enable success in our worldly endeavours – management, leadership, finance, etc.

    I am not against teaching that encourages living by godly principles. However, we are obsessed with junk food and quick fixes. We somehow have accepted that life principles and the manifestation of God’s power is enough – to give the appearance of success and increase the number of people who attend the Sunday service, is the goal and purpose of the church. In so doing we have come to institutionalise the church to this effect and set a pattern for others to likewise emulate.

    We elevate gifts and the miraculous and for many, this has substituted solid teaching of the word which produces fruit, discernment, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, compassion, even foundation for our faith. We think because we “build the church” our way and the Lord is gracious and continues to bless, that we are in total alignment with God’s will.

    We need to return to the word of God, return to the Gospel, and cease leaning on our own understanding. When did we last see an Ephesians 4 Evangelist “equipper” equip the saints for the work of the ministry for any decent sustainable length of time that would likely result in the edification of the saints in this area of our lives which ultimately supports us to be proud, and not ashamed, of the Gospel? Two things please – If anyone is ashamed of the Gospel … AND … if anyone does not forgive … WE KNOW THE REST. Are these two things linked? Is it possible that if we become self absorbed, we lose our desire for love and concern of people? Is it possible that this self absorption results in the ‘love of many will grow cold’ dilemma we will witness before Christ’s return? This, and reasons above among others, are some of the reasons I think the Gospel has been neglected, and undervalued.

    On a final note, we need to understand what we consider the Gospel to be. Too often, discussion on the Gospel is fragmented and hijacked. I recommend people take a look at Paris Reidhead’s sermon on “So Great Salvation”. Not saying all the answers are there, just material that will evoke robust discussion on salvation.

    Great comments above. I look forward to seeing this discussion through. David Markham, you make some good points above. I have to concede that it is his kindness that leads us to repentance. That in itself is a good discussion.

    This is one of the topics I am passionate about. I do apologise for the long post.

  40. Sharyl Cobb Jun 6th 2013

    L Alex Smith: Check out Acts 11:18. Like Saul’s conversion, Cornelius’ conversion was recounted twice, and the second time we get more interesting and important details.
    Andrew, I appreciate your perception that the Sinner’s Prayer is not found in the New Testament but faith, confession of Christ, repentance, and baptism certainly are. However, I agree with Mike. WE cannot get anyone “filled with the Spirit,” except that men preach Jesus and His Gospel, (which includes MORE than JUST I Cor. 15:1-6 — See Mark 16:15,16 and check out that faith in Christ and baptism are included in that Gospel, or how would men know to be baptized? Also check out I Timothy 1:8-11.) When we preach Jesus and the “full Gospel,” that is, the New Testament truths taught and preached by the apostles, honest-hearted people will repent, be baptized, and begin FROM THAT MOMENT to live a Spirit-filled life. Only drifting back into sin and prayerlessness will cause the Spirit to sadly move farther and farther out of our hearts. Being “filled with the Spirit” is not gabble in unintelligible, non-lingual speech. It wasn’t so on the Day or Pentecost (Acts 2:4-11); it wasn’t so in Acts 4:29-35. Here, the Spirit filled the Christians, and THEY SPOKE THE WORD WITH BOLDNESS. They also were of one heart and soul. They also shared with anyone who had need. It wasn’t so in Ephesians 5:18-6:18, where we are COMMANDED to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and the RESULT will be that we worship heartily together, always give thanks for all things, and have proper familial subjection in husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, and children properly fulfilling their God-given roles, as well as masters and slaves treating each other with respect and fairness. We will be strong in the Lord and the strength of HIS might. We will put on the whole armor of God. We will pray always in the Spirit. These are the marks of a Spirit-filled life. How do penitent, biblically baptized Christians get this filling if they have lost it? James 4:4-10 and Luke 11:9-13. We must repent, and we must “keep asking, keep seeking, and keep knocking.” God will knock the sin out of us when He sees we mean business, and He will fill us with His Holy Spirit.
    As to “speaking in tongues:” in N.T. times, “tongues” meant LANGUAGES, not gabble. Only the apostles AND THOSE UPON WHOM THEY LAID THEIR HANDS received this kind of “filling” and “falling” of the Holy Spirit. See Acts 6:2-6,8 and Acts 8:5-13 and notice that both Stephen and Philip could work miracles AFTER they had the apostles lay their hands on them. Notice also in Acts 8:14-19 that it was the apostles who could lay hands on people so they received a miraculous gift from the Holy Spirit. Philip couldn’t pass on his gift. It was the APOSTLES who worked the miracles before they laid hands on Philip and Stephen and the other deacons. Notice Acts 2:43; 4:33; 5:14-16. There is no mention, pre-Acts 6 of any of the ordinary Christians speaking in languages or working other miracles. The power of Christian LOVE, however, was working in them and through them mightily. So-called “apostles” of this day do not fit the template of Acts 1:15-26 and I Corinthians 15:8; II Corinthians 12:12. A few “signs” and a whole lot of gabble do NOT constitute the “signs of a true apostle,” which included raising people from the dead. Even Satan’s ministers can either fake or use Satan’s power or even the power of positive thinking in people’s minds to cause healing or to work other miracles. We know that the “man of sin” can work “miracles” — II Thessalonians 2:8-10. Beware of false apostles!! (II Corinthians 11:13) The apostles and prophets were in the FOUNDATION of the Church. HELLO?

  41. there obviously is a lot more to being a “Christian” than saying a pryer. However, when we truly understand and want to make a commitment saying so to God and to other followers of Christ is acceptable. I think there is a reasonable discussion of what this all means at the following link.

  42. We all have mouths, if we know the true gospel we need to hit the streets and tell people. There are lost people everywhere; we’re the ordained method of God getting out His gospel so Speak! If Christ is your master, He said Go!

  43. “But Sha’ul, still breathing threats and murfer against the taught ones of the Master, having come to the high priest, askede from him letters to the congregations of Dammeseq, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, to bring them bound to Yerushalayim.” Acts 9:1,2
    “Yahsuah said to him, ‘I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life…” John 14:6
    “by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,” Hebs. 10:20
    When individuals truly repent towards the Messiah’s teachings and those disciples following in the Way…”Western Christianity” may find itself with true followers of the Messiah Yahsuah; and not followers of man’s religious doctrines.

  44. Marie Jun 6th 2013

    I appreciate all the commenters here. And to Sheryl Cobb, I want to respond to you if you may, about the infilling of the Spirit, where some might demonstrate “gabbled language”. While it’s true that in Acts they all spoke with other tongues, meaning languages, and this was to glorify God in the presence of those Jewish pilgrims who listened intently and were amazed – I don’t believe that the “In-filling of the Holy Spirit” was ever discussed by the apostles as only men’s languages.

    1 Cor. 14: “Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy, For he who speaks in an tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is great than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification”.

    While it is better for men to utilize spiritual gifts with love being the prime ingredient above all, it’s evident here that men did speak in tongues which no man could understand and it says that in the spirit, he spoke mysteries. Is garbled language a mystery? If a child of God repents, and seeks God and wants to be baptized in water in his Precious name, and if he receives a language in tongues which is garbled, who is anyone to say that that is not of God?

  45. As we give voice to what Scripture says…when did any of Yahsuah’s disciples refer to each other as “Christians?”

  46. Hi Ejimanze , in answer to your question, yes I do have a website, in fact if you click on my name just to the left of the pic beside the comment, it will take you there. It is called ” A call to the Remnant.” You can also find us on Facebook, simply called “The Remnant.”


    We try to simply minister to the saints on these sites and speak to the Body with the context of the times in which we live, with the Lord returning soon and how that effects us. We are actually holding some meetings in July 12-14th with Pastor Brian Long at his church in Barnsdall Oklahoma whom Andrew Strom has ministered with.. If any of the saints on this site live near by or feel a calling to come along, you would be more than welcome. It is Friday night, Saturday and Sunday. You can find out the details and nearest hotel and so on at the Facebook site. Our primary focus will be Jesus in these gatherings. We will seek His presence and allow the Holy Spirit to lead out meetings……bro Frank

  47. Austin Hellier Jun 6th 2013

    all I can say to you is – Amen to that – I can remember a little skit done by an ‘alternative’ minister years ago, where he mimics modern day ‘preachers’ and says: “Now folks, I want every eye bowed, every head closed, and I want you to come out the front and receive ‘jeeeessusss’ as Bartholomew plays “just as I am” on the lyre. Pastor Jesus will come and pray for you and the rest of the apostles will catch you as you fall” That never happened either!!!

    Admittedly, mockery is a poor cousin to open truth, but we live in a day and an age where people don’t want the truth – it is too close to home and too demanding of change. Jesus Christ demanded change – “go your way and sin no more” he told the women caught in adultery (and I’m wondering what happened to the man too ladies…?) Perhaps a little mockery now and then may awaken some from their slumber?

    I attend a small ‘cafe’ church here in Brisbane each Sunday afternoon, so I don’t have to put up with the ‘incense and nonsense’ of the “high church” set or the luke-warm garbage that passes for Sunday Churchianity either.

    Think I’m being too tough on the local ‘church’? Jesus made a whip and gave those prosperity preachers in the temple a darn good flogging – he rebuked others openly for their ignorance of God’s will concerning mankind, and told the religious leaders of His day that they were shutting the sinners out of the kingdom and not entering in themselves – no wonder they put him on a cross!

    Denying ourselves and taking up our cross daily, not being religious, but ministering to the lost and the lonely is what it’s all about – Matthew 7 13 through to the end makes that clear – fake miracles, huge works and large crowds do not impress the Lord…

  48. Wilson Wong Jun 6th 2013

    What is the gospel?

    It is the great news that Christ died for us so that we can have eternal life and reign together with Him as royal priesthood in the order of Melchizedek

    So how to get this eternal life?

    Just believe. And so this the little prayer that God is allowed to come into your life is THE only thing you can do to receive….the ONLY thing you can do. The ONE thing you should do.

    No adding on to anything…no clearing of conscience…no clearing of sin…if we can clear sin and conscience, we wouldn’t need the gospel.

    The reason the revival is not happening is because the gospel messaged has being piled up with works and stress.

    Remember this from the Words of our Lord in Matthew 11:29

    Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart , and you will find rest for your souls.

    Rest….and Shalom Peace is not something we do to attain…it is attained when we receive Christ as fruits of the Love received through Grace.

    No wonder there is no revival because it is conditional love you guys are preaching here when God didn’t even put the conditions in the first place.


  49. Tilman Jun 6th 2013

    I am not sure whether people today would be able to listen to a sound gospel, if we had one. It seems that the worldly deception, which came first through the false doctrin of the Babylonian church, then through the enlightenment, and nowadays through media, spreading lies continuously all over this world, has done a perfect job.

    Many people are deceived so much that they do simply need a shock. It seems to me that they are unable to listen to any message any longer. First they have to switch off their media stuff – for months or even years. It’s only then that they will be able to listen to the gospel again. As we can see daily, they love their devices more than the gospel and the bible. Therefore the consequence is inevident: They must “feel” the gospel, i.e. they will get the wrath of God, which is also part of the gospel. There is no other way to heal their sickness. And make no mistake, this therapy will come.

  50. Amen…Wilson Wong…Amen.


  51. Pastor Brian Bennett Jun 6th 2013

    The true church is the watchman on the wall. So lets quit pampering sin and cry loud and spare not.
    After all Jesus said to us in Revelation whom ever I love I rebuke and chasten, and he was talking of conviction of sin unto repentance.

    So What is the call of the church but ot become the watchman on the wall not caring of what men say but God only lest we be counted with the goats at our own judgemnt.

    The Lord embolden you to be His true diciples, in Jesus name,

  52. Hi Barry, I hear your heart… 🙂

    The Lord got me to preach the other night…


    I was over (still am) in Brisbane this week with work and as I sat in my motel room the other night He told me He wanted me to preach…

    That’s what “came out” at the link above…

    I believe you share my heart…

    How can we partner together for the sake of the Gospel? What can I do to support you in your preaching of the Gospel?

    Love you brother,


  53. Pastor

    The sheep and goat judgement is for Israel, not the Church.(Matt 25)

    We the Church are judged at the Bema seat (2 Cor 5:10)


  54. Neville Jun 6th 2013

    The established church has lost the plot. Those who have not are usually kicked out by it
    Revivals usually never start in denominations and the next one will not be an exception

  55. Can we really lose the gospel? Through all the ups and downs in life I have never felt like I lost Jesus or his Gospel. What I have seen and witnessed is that many including me have been guilty of trying to change the Gospel to make it fit whatever we believed at that time. The gospel has been battered, warped, suppressed and changed by many believers throughout the years. Many that changed it destroyed its power when they changed it to fit their life instead of letting it change them and their life by it. So have we lost the gospel or changed the Gospel to fit what we believe today?

  56. alphafaith Jun 6th 2013

    Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is to attribute the works of the Spirit as being of the devil. We must be careful here.

    I like this example of how easy it is to get saved. What Jesus did was not easy – but what it accomplished made it so for us.

    Acts 8:34-38 “So the eunuch answered Philip and said, “I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said,”If you believe with all your heart, you may.” AND HE ANSWERED AND SAID,”I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD.” 38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.”NKJV
    Saved or not?
    Ok folks lets get the focus back on Christ and His Marvelous Holy Spirit. The SPIRIT has not lost the gospel and He has not lost CHRISTIANITY or one single person who has believed on Christ.

    Paul gloried in whatever way Christ was preached, because He knew the Holy Spirit would use it as a means to reach the lost – in spite of what was intended.

    Far too many Believer’s try and make it extremely hard to be saved and even harder to understand what it means to be a Christian. Christ living in and through us!
    Phil 1:15-18 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

    Being in Christ is a mystery – apparently to most in the Body of Christ because, “as He is, so are we in this world.” The Church, every single member, is without spot, nor wrinkle nor any such thing.”

    Gal 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. NKJV

    Do these articles provoke the fruit of the Spirit or these… Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, CONTENTIONS,JEALOUSIES, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, DISSENSIONS, HERESIES, 21 ENVY, murders, drunkenness, revelries, AND THE LIKE; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” ?NKJV

    The Church is in good hands, including those who are struggling. Let us keep a spirit of humility and meekness and restore those who are taken in fault, considering our ownselves lest we be likewise tempted.

    He that thinks he stands, let him take heed lest he fall.

    The true gospel is the power of God unto salvation. It is hearing and obeying the message of Christ. When we hear and believe and obediently step forth with our confession of faith – we are saved!

    Until you meet a person who is an antichrist, one who refuses to believe on Christ, you will struggle to know what the difference between lost and saved is. We have so closed ourselves in the Church walls that we think it is spiritual to try and cull out the fakes from the genuine amongst us.

    Anyone who professes Christ as Lord and Saviour, as far as I am concerned, is saved. Now I know that is a scary thought for some. Christians, but I realize that all Believers are somewhere between being babes and mature in Christ.

    The greatest sign of maturity is that we maintain the assurance of our salvation no matter what or where we may find ourselves in life.

    As a pastor I made a decision along time ago to find Christ in the debts of the most worldly Christians, knowing that Christ is able to sanctify them through His mercy, grace and patience. And with a gentle nature edify them.

    I love God’s big dysfuntional family! Even the really mean and critical one’s.

    Just like the days of Noah’s ark, while it was the safest place on earth – it was also the smelliest. Oh how I wish the Church was perfect and holy in her earth-suit, but that don’t make it so. And as far as imposters go, let the tares grow with the wheat and let the angels do the culling.

    The glorious grace of God, ratified by the completely autonomous work of Jesus on the cross, is designed to work mightily in the most dysfunctional sinner and Christian in the world. The only place grace cannot work is in the heart of the Christian who believes his performance brings favor with God. This one has fallen from grace and is likely bitter, critical, accusing and divisive.

    grace and peace

  57. Judith Eddy Jun 6th 2013

    What if the those within the church that snub their nose at sinning were turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh and at least temporarily dis-fellowshipped? you know until they really repent…
    or if a few Ananais’s and Sapphira’s dropped dead for lying to the Holy Ghost? or a few Simon’s were rebuked soundly? Of course we would need some leaders like the original disciples leading us…

    The Holy Spirit is here so I wonder what He thinks about all this?

  58. I have long been convinced that (generally speaking) the gospel preached in the 20C and that preached now is so diluted as to be another gospel. Thank God for those who have preached the truth in this period.

    I suggest that the modern church far from leaving “the discussion” of the “elementary principles of Christ” (Heb 6:1-2) needs to discuss them at length, for it seems they are little discussed,.
    understood or even mentioned. These are the foundations upon which the building must be built.

    William Booth was right when he said “I consider that the chief dangers which confront the coming century will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration,politics without God and heaven without hell”.

    In the city of Exeter in the United Kingdom is the old Salvation Army “Temple”. After the gospel was preached people were encouraged to kneel at the bench at the front of the church and “get right with God” The bench had written on it (still has) in large letters “HERE-BRING-THY-WOUNDED HEART” The people in the church prayed that The Holy Spirit would convict of Sin. No one counselled or enecouraged them to say a “sinners prayer”. It is said that the bench was wet with tears as men and women under conviction cried for mercy and found it. Praise God.

    You are not being too drastic. There are people who feel the same way and ache for a true revival and have done for years.

    Let us speak the whole truth and see God by His Spirit bring conviction, repentance, faith and the receiving and witness of the Spirit.

  59. Lightning Storm Jun 6th 2013

    AMEN AMEN AMEN! to the entire article! Preach it.

    “the GOSPEL being restored and preached in POWER.”

    Quote from Andrew Strom

  60. L. Alex Smith Jun 6th 2013

    Nay, Ken1, in the Parable of the Sheep & the Goats, there is no mention of Israel– in fact, in Matthew 25:32 it says “And before him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS” (not just Israel) “and he shall separate them one from another as a Shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.” In I Peter 2:25 Jesus is called “the Shepherd and Bishop (overseer) of OUR souls” (not just the souls of the Jews). In Matt. 25:40 “the least of these my brethren” –who is his brethren, only the Jewish nation? Matthew 12:49-50 says that “…whosoever does the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother….”
    At the Judgement Seat of Christ (your reference to II Corinth. 5:10) it specifically says, “those things which are done in the body, whether they be good or whether they be bad.” This ties in DIRECTLY to the “Sheep & Goats” with the action or inaction of giving food, drink, clothes, visitation when sick or in prison to ANY of Christ’s brethren…something that many Christians today neglect. The Gospel is “good news” to the poor…only because most rich people are too self-sufficient to receive it! We demonstrate Christ in our words from The Word of God– and in our actions, especially showing His love toward the Brethren. One is empty without the other, see James 2:14-18.

  61. Lightning Storm Jun 6th 2013

    Amen Frank. Your post about the remnant versus the “organizations who call themselves church”.

    The organizations have LOST THE GOSPEL,(IF they ever had it in the first place) NOT the True Church.

  62. Robert after the exortation to the body of Christ I was led to post here, all you could say and see is I am lifting up a man, wow!

    Sir I only lift up my King Jesus.
    Worthy is the spotless lamb of God to be praised, may we Praise him there is none like him.

  63. It is not a gospel of works which saves us but a gospel which results in works. The gospel being preached today produces no change of heart or character. Jesus came to make us holy and righteous in a real and practical way by grace through faith. Faith which results in no change cannot save you. Even the demons believe and at least tremble. Check it out.
    The blood of Jesus has the power to completely and forever change us.

  64. Edison Jun 6th 2013

    The reason sinners today are not aware of the filth of their sin is because preachers have lost sight of the glory
    and holiness of God. “A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; the prophets prophesy falsely
    and the priests bear rule by their means; and My people love to have it so…” “For among My people are found
    wicked men; they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men. As a cage is full of birds,
    so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.” These words, quoted from
    the fifth chapter of Jeremiah, I say with extreme regret picture with vivid inspiration the dreadful condition of
    preachers and priests in our day. They prophesy falsely and the people love to have it so. But what will they do
    in the end thereof? Because the preachers have lost sight of the glory of God and have given themselves to
    numbering their congregations, while compassing land and sea to make new proselytes, therefore the people,
    Christian and unconverted alike, have lost their sense and realization of the dreadful filth of their sin. It is true
    that some occasionally speak of the holiness of God, but they seldom seem to have any true conviction of it
    and seldom do they live the thing they preach. Therefore their sermons are clouds without water and empty
    words preached from empty hearts.

    Excerpt from Vol 26 Treasures of Truth; George Hawtin

  65. Lightning Storm Jun 6th 2013


    A new era in the Catholic Church
    April 2013

    “The Catholic Church is on the threshold of a bold new era in its two thousand year
    history. As the curtain comes down on the Church defined by the 16th century Counter
    Reformation, the curtain is rising on the Evangelical Catholicism of the third millennium: a way of being Catholic that comes from over a century of Catholic reform: a mission centered renewal honed by the Second Vatican Council and given compelling expression by Pope John XXIII

    “The election of Pope Francis completes the Church’s turn from the Counter
    Reformation Catholicism that brought the Gospel to the Americas – and eventually
    produced Catholicism’s first American pope – to the Evangelical Catholicism that must
    replant the Gospel in those parts of the world that have grown spiritually bored, while
    planting it afresh in new fields of mission around the globe. Pope Francis approaches his responsibilities as the leader of a world Church in a spirit of discernment and prayer.

    “Francis had a significant hand in writing a Latin American bishop’s letter in 2007.
    The essential message of the revolutionary statement can be gleaned from this passage:
    ‘The Church is called to a deep and profound rethinking of its mission. It cannot retreat
    before those who see only confusion, dangers, and threats. What is required is
    confirming, renewing, and revitalizing the newness of the Gospel out of a personal and
    community encounter with Jesus Christ that raises up disciples and missionaries.

    ‘A Catholic faith reduced to a collection of rules and prohibitions, to fragmented
    devotional practices, to selective and partial adherence to the truths of faith, to occasional participation in some sacraments, to the repetition of doctrinal principles, to bland or nervous moralizing, that does not convert the life of the baptized will not withstand the trials of time. We must start again that being Christian is the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction.'”

    Fr. Magnano continues: “The Church of the 21st century cannot rely on the changing
    public culture, or on folk memories of traditional Catholic culture, to transmit the Gospel in a way that transforms individual lives, cultures, and societies. Something more, something deeper, is needed. That ‘something’ is radical personal conversion to the Lord Jesus Christ and an embrace of the friendship he offers every human being. This conversion of minds and hearts builds a community that is unlike any other: a
    ‘communion’ of disciples in mission, who understand that faith is increased as it is
    offered and given away to others.

    Pope Francis is bringing to the world Gospel-centered Catholicism, which rediscovers
    the tremendous human adventure of living inside the biblical narrative of history. God
    declares to Isaiah, ‘I am about to create a new heaven and a new earth. Remember not
    the events of the past, the things of long ago consider not. See, I am doing something
    new’. “

  66. chas351 Jun 6th 2013

    Andrew said ” the Great Awaken-ings – the GOSPEL being restored and preached in power”

    well… it is here>


    ~there are many many teachings here totally on FIRE!!

  67. wineskin Jun 6th 2013

    Poor God…His words of truth, power and glory have somehow become lost and now He, His Son, and His Kingdom are in jeopardy!

    You poor people…You’re afraid God’s truth is in serious trouble and, therefore, you and your ideas and plans are taking a serious beating!

    Who can possibly save the day??

    Which of you saintly trumpeters can blow correction against the evil forces that have ruined God’s plans?–Which of you Christian soldiers can wield the sword of truth in the enemy’s face until God gets His missing truth back?–Which of you righteous priests is equipped to save the truth that used to save you?

    Christianity has worried herself sick.

  68. Edison Jun 6th 2013

    There is a lot of talk about returning to the true gospel. There is ONLY one WAY. Jesus said He must go away and send back the paraclete. He is a person. He is the Holy Spirit. One of His names is the Spirit of Truth. He is still speaking today. If most would tune out the voices of many waters, they would hear His still, small voice. The apostles were men that submitted to the Holy Spirit USING them as vessels that the Living Water could flow from. This is the power of GOD., not someone serving up bread with worms in it! I am groaning inside, as is all creation, for the sons of GOD to become manifest. I tarry till it comes forth.

  69. Edison Jun 6th 2013

    AMEN & AMEN….wineskin

  70. L. Alex Smith

    What I wrote, I wrote in haste and I should have said Israel and the Nations, you are correct in that. This judgement is at the end of the trib and in the context of Matt 25 you have two groups of brethren, one are His Jewish brethren (Israel) and the other are His Gentile brethren (who became belivers in the time of the trib) And these Gentile brethren are those that do good to His Jewish brethren (Israel) during the trib. eg For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in etc etc. This is what the Gentile brethren will do for His Jewish brethren (Israel) during the trib.

    2 Cor 5;10 is a judgement before the trib which is dealing with His Church brethren. All brethren yes, but three different identities, one is the Church, one is Israel and the other is Gentile brethren. The last two groups are those that make it through the trib and go on to repopulate the earth in the millennium.


  71. Marilyn Crow Jun 6th 2013

    Good explanation Ken1.

    We as the Body do by God`s enabling reach out to others but it is not the basis of our salvation. Good works are not the Gospel, the good news to the Body. That would be a gross misreprentation of Christ`s saving work on the cross.

    Sadly people still use those scriptures in Matt.25 for the Body of Christ when it clearly says it is to the nations.


  72. Jda016 Jun 6th 2013

    I was reading Andrew Murray’s “Absolute Surrender” and found this passag to be fitting. It talks about how part of the gospel involves our willingness to be wholly submitted to Him.

    “No words can tell the sad state of the Church of Christ on earth. I wish I had words to speak what I sometimes feel about it. Just think of the Christians around you. I do not speak of nominal Christians, or professing Christians, but I speak of hundreds and thousands of honest, earnest Christians who are not living a life in power of God or to His glory.

    So little power, so little devotion or consecration to God, so little perception of the truth that a Christian is a man utterly surrendered to God’s will!”

    In a day and age where we have so much power to “take control of our lives” we have lost the simplicity of denying ourselves.

    There is more to the gospel than simple intellectual belief (even demons believe). Jesus said, “if anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me” (Matthew 16:24).

    We have plenty of people who want to know Jesus as the Savior but we have very few people who want to know Him as Lord and Master- King of all Kings.

  73. Jda016 Jun 6th 2013

    My interpretation of “sheep and goats, wheat and tares” has always been a very simplistic one.

    Sheep/wheat are those whose names are written in the book of life and goats/tares are those not written in the book of life.

  74. Marilyn Crow Jun 6th 2013

    In response to the article –

    `Turn your eyes upon Jesus …..`
    (upon our precious saviour who gave His life`s blood for us)

    `Look full in His wonderful face….`
    (for there we see the Father`s heart of love)

    `And the things of earth….`
    (man`s religious efforts & organisations)

    `Will grow strangely dim….`
    (will not make us frustrated, angry, sad or doubting.)

    `In the light of His glory & grace.`
    (to walk & live in His light, the revelation that
    – Christ is building His Body,
    – Christ is maturing us,
    – Christ is continually saving souls by His wondrous grace.

    `Looking unto Jesus….so you may not grow weary & lose heart.`
    (Heb. 12: 2 & 3)


  75. Marilyn Crow Jun 6th 2013


    Yes let`s keep it simple as you said – `simplistic.`

    So is your salvation based on what you did – giving some one food, drink, visiting prisoners?

    How did you come to know you were saved?

    Good to discuss this important point as the article is about the `gospel.` So do we really know what that means?


  76. AMEN I am so glad in this time of luke warm gospel preaching and watered down, people pleasing teaching that someone is taking a stand in favour of the true word of God, I was amazed last week when I went out with a friend who is a soon to be methodist minister to hear her say (in front of non saved friends)amongst other things that a baby who is christened is saved and that she is in touch with muslims who serve the same God as us and so she believes they (and almost in fact everyone) is going to heaven, Despite my quoting scriptures to point out the error of what she believed , she was not swayed, The enemy needs to do very little these days to lead Christians astray when we have Pastors, preachers etc doing it for him, Please continue to speak out
    many are beginning to believe that all will be saved
    that there are many paths………………..OPRAHS New age religon
    and it didnt start with her. she only PREACHES it all over.
    leaven upon leaven is rising, evil days and perlious times
    are ahead in amercia and world wide.
    and wont conform to this new age religoin will soon
    be seen as ONLY in the WAY of peace and unity and will
    be come against . As was told, the proseprity preachers
    would be going this new age way………..adn THUS they are.
    TD JAKES, rick warren, joel olstein NOW APPEAR
    on OPRAHS LIFESTLE CLASSES…………….as was propheseid they would. THIS is happening FAST now.
    Methodists are big on this, but they aint the only ones
    , secular, witch covens are even preaching on world unity and peace and all paths lead. AND ITS massively growing.
    ITS the SPIRIT OF antichirst, preparing the last move on earth
    to lead all to this false man god whom shall appear to lead the world into peace and unity, but UTIMATELY its ARMEGEDDON.
    ANDREW is right. He sees the falling away is massive, as do others. THE ANSWER…………………..BARRY said BEST,
    as did some others……………JESUS .
    NOT CHRIST and the WORLD surplus of goods etc…..
    NEW age has infected the masses, and now more than EVER
    true BIBLE christanity, TRUE GOSPLE is being hated and looked upon with utter hatred more and more.
    As with the jews in hitlers days…………………the repeat
    of the final event against all true lambs worldwide.
    FIRST with words……………then actions.
    PREACH CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED and the world shall persecute you…………..BUT ALSAS GOD is GLORIFIED and some souls will hear and repent. amen.

  77. Marilyn Crow Jun 6th 2013


    Your comments on Andrew Murray`s book `Absolute Surrender,` are so true. I really appreciate his writings & thank you for drawing our attention to the consecrated life.


  78. I SHALL SET WATCHMEN UPON THE WALL< who shall never hold their peace………….
    OUR GOD is with us in this final hour upon earth.
    We look for a city which is to come………….BUILT BY GOD.
    JESUS is coming back, the dead in CHRIST shall arise
    and we too who remain shall be caught up…………..and so shall we ever be with the LORD.
    THE PRIZE…………………..JESUS warned HIS own
    when asking LORD when shall these things be
    MANY will be false propphets at the end and deceiving and being decieved. THE LAST HOUR and the betrayer of all brethern comes. AND HIS RELIGION of all roads lead
    is preparing the way of his arrival. YET many cannot see this.
    and take heed unto yourselves and unto HOLY doctrine.
    And know all who hold the LOVE of the TRUTH deep in their hearts…………………THE REWARD SHALL BE GREAT.
    GREAT persecutions are coming upon the bride.
    POWER shall be given unto the dark one to overcome the saints.
    BUT KNOW…………….that all who lose their life, who stay
    planted firmly in the gosple, shall receive the reward at the end.
    I love you all. Be blessed.

  79. I applaud you Andrew for posting this topic and for taking a stand for the true gospel that is able to save a man’s soul, glory be to God!

    Mark 1:14-15

    “Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

    John 16:5-11

    “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.”

    Matthew 24:9-14

    “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”

    The hour is near for the true gospel of the kingdom to be preached again in the power and anointing of the Spirit! The Lord will save a great multitude of people from every nation on this earth!

    Revelation 7:9-10

    “After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

  80. THE WHORE can keep all her promises of the easy money filled life………………FOR I WAS BUT A SINNER and i REJOICE IN HIS SALVATION.
    SHE can keep her fleshly wisdom and false exaltations which fill
    the pride of men………..FOR i was but a sinner , I REJIOCE in HIS salvation.
    Better to be divided by TRUTH and in small groups, than united with many in lies and vanity.
    Better to be scourged having TRUTH , than comforts and lies.
    Better to fill up his suffereings and be lowly
    than exalted with many and cares and pleasures in life.
    FOr i was the worst of men……………….and GRACE was given.
    JOY in HIS salvation, JOY in THE LORD
    Why set thine heart upon riches, which make themselves wings
    and fly , fly away…………..
    Many are now heaping wrath up for the day of wrath.
    Making cares and pleasures in this life, the target.
    five ways of how you can be like me……….they PREACH MAN and HIM LIVING THE BEST LIFE
    PRAISE TO OUR GOD………………who in HIS MERCIES and COMPASSIONS have given us HOPE.
    HOPE which is seen however IS NOT HOPE.
    HOPE in HIM, which is yet unseen…………..BUT ONE DAY
    COMING IN POWER and GREAT GLORY, when he comes for HIS SAINTS………….
    exalting the lowly up to HIM in the air…………….
    SING LAMBS………………………..
    OUR FAITH in HIM IS THE VICTORY…………..and overcomes the WORLD.

  81. Jda016 Jun 7th 2013

    Dear Marilyn,

    I believe salvation comes through the finished work of Christ alone. Those who repent of their sins and believe upon and have faith in Christ’s finished work are saved.

    However Christ also gives us insights as to what a Christian really is. He says that if we love Him, we will obey His commandments. He tells us that if we are truly his followers then we will carry our crosses and deny ourselves. He tells us that we are to be forgiving of one another, because if we are not forgiving, we are told He will not forgive us. He told the disciples that they will know Christians by their fruit: love, long suffering, patience, kindness etc.

    So all this begs the question, ” if we don’t do any of the other things Jesus talks about, then are we truly saved?”

    I think this is where a lot of confusion comes in and people start the whole “works vs grace” argument. However, I do not see any of Jesus’ commandments as “works” but rather as the evidence of any true believer.

    I believe also that people can lose their salvation. Not on the basis that we can change Christ’s saving work, but because we no longer choose to obey Him or partake of that finished work. One example of this is how God says he will not forgive us if we do not forgive others.

    Matt 18:21-35 speaks of the servant being forgiven a massive debt and yet he will not forgive a servant of his own. 31 “When some of the other servants saw this, they were very upset. They went to the king and told him everything that had happened. 32 Then the king called in the man he had forgiven and said, ‘You evil servant! I forgave you that tremendous debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Shouldn’t you have mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’ 34 Then the angry king sent the man to prison to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt.

    35 “That’s what my heavenly Father will do to you if you refuse to forgive your brothers and sisters[e] from your heart.”

    The fact the servant is ALREADY forgiven shows me he can lose that saving grace through unforgiveness of his own.

    I hope this made sense. I can elaborate more if need be.


  82. Amen Marilyn. It would seem that we are all to blame for the church in the West. Some were backsliden, some lost, some lukewarm etc.

    And now that we have are are being enlightened by the Holy Spirit, now that our eyes are more open it seems like we should be more humble and broken and concerned about taking the log out of our eye than the splinter in others. That is God’s business – there is a Scripture somewhere, I think Proverbs, that says we are not to rejoice when the Lord disciplines lest He bring it on us as well..

    Many have great words but what we need more than ever is to fall at the Feet of Jesus over our own state and be asking the Holy Spirit for discernment, forgiveness and most of all to have God’s heart and to see through His eyes. I know I have not arrived yet but I am seeking, repenting, asking because I need Him. And I know I love Him much because He loves me much. And I know I love Him because He first loved me.

    And I said the sinners prayer when I first heard of being born again. I prayed it and I wept and I had so much peace and joy that I was loved, forgiven and I turned completely from going one way to His way. We do like to put the Lord in a box.

    I would say, let’s be careful to not be critical or proudful because the Lord has brought us thus far.

    That is why I listen to Pastor Carter Conlon Sunday mornings. I believe he has God’s heart for the body of Christ today. He is taking Pastors and Churches by the hand and lifting them up. Not pointing the finger. Listen to some of his recent messages. They are free.

    And please, I am not lifting him up and he never lifts himself up or TSC but he does have God’s heart for such a time as this. It’s a whole different way to look at things – more through God’s eyes and His heart. I am so thankful to the Holy Spirit for taking me to Pastor Carter to hear as there is so much being said out there and everyone thinks they have it.

    Anyway, let’s keep humble, keep that quiet time with Him, in the Word and pray, pray, pray for discernment, ears to hear and a heart to receive in these days.

    I think He is going to surprise us all. Come Lord Jesus Come!

    HE CREATED this world.
    MY PROSPERITY is as david once said
    O LORD send now proseperity……..and
    the answer was………………….BLESSED BE HE WHO COMES in the NAME OF THE LORD……….
    that in all times, loss of all things,
    persecutions and afflictions, and even death.
    seated in the heavenlies…………
    COME what may………….TO GOD be the GLORY………….
    in all things………….songs, praise, thanksgivings
    afflictions, persecutions amen.
    TO GOD be the glory………….who saved a filthy stain filled sinner as i……………………..AND now has CLEANSED by the BLOOD of HIS SON…………………………..SING LAMBS………
    all joy, and all peace through all times. AMEN.

  84. JONATHAN………………be blessed…..
    WAS about as CLEAR as it can be said.
    ON this you stand correct.
    amen. and be blessed.

  85. Bob Manditch Jun 7th 2013

    Amen Andrew- straight to the heart of the matter as it was put in your recent book “The Sinner’s Prayer – Fact or Fiction?”
    All believers are commissioned by the Lord Jesus to Go into the world and preach the Gospel – He will confirm with signs following. Mark 16: 15-20.
    How can there be anything lesser than this?
    May God continue to bless you abundantly – Bob M

  86. Marilyn Crow Jun 7th 2013


    Some great words Jonathan, the `finished work of Christ alone,` & then `works…as the evidence of any true believer.` (As long as they are Spirit motivated & not for self aggrandisement.)

    Now Matt. 25 does show us specific works which the Body of Christ does by God`s enabling, however you will notice that the people of the Nations mentioned there do not know why they are allowed to go into the millennium. The king had to tell them.

    We as the Body of Christ know full well our salvation is through Christ & the evidence, as you so rightly stated, is works by the Holy Spirit. This other group – the nations, had no idea of why they were spared.

    Interesting, Marilyn.

  87. Gayle Jun 7th 2013

    It saddens me, Andrew, that none of these people except Art seem to have gotten the jist of your article. That’s the condition of the church today. Jesus said, “…narrow is the way… few there be will find it”.

  88. Bill Harper Jun 7th 2013

    To put it simply, we are hearing a gospel of salvation without committment, and their is no such thing in reality. People are often taught to make Jesus their saviour without making Him their Lord, and that is error. If we don’t make Him our Lord, our God, our Master, than we are placing ourself as our own God and making Him the servant, which can never be. He is the Almighty and I am absolutely nothing without Him. Bill Harper

  89. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-TqTPTgknM
    Personal Relationship with Jesus?

  90. Marilyn Crow Jun 7th 2013


    It may seem that way `narrow is the way…` to you if you don`t take in to account God`s 3 groups – The Body of Christ, Israel & the Nations. (1 Cor. 10: 32)

    This truth is one we need to pay close attention to, otherwise we mix up everything God says.

    Thus when Jesus was talking to the people of Israel in Matt. 7: 13 about the `narrow way…` He was telling them that the rule (kingdom) of heaven will be done on earth (Matt. 6: 10) but only a few would come through because of their hard hearts.

    Jesus told them that `the meek (of Israel) would inherit the earth.`
    (Matt. 5: 5) whereas to the Body of Christ He tells us –

    – our hope is in heaven. (Col. 1: 5)
    – our citizenship is in heaven. (Phil. 3: 20)
    – our inheritance is in heaven. (1 Peter 1 : 4)

    It is so important to recognise who the Lord is talking to. Yes we learn about their behaviour but our inheritance is different.

    Hope that helps. Marilyn.

  91. Robin Kerr Jun 7th 2013

    Well said Andrew! It’s the preaching of the GOSPEL that brings revival. It was so in the Welsh Revival and many others for when the gospel is preached in the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit manifests His dynamic POWER which convicts the hearers of sin and righteousness and judgement.
    It is not long before so called “Christians,” carnal and worldly as they are, come under the convicting power of the Spirit of God and wrestle through until true repentance is found at the foot of the
    blood stained Cross. When that person is broken before God and his sinful life acknowledged and cleansed by the precious blood of Jesus, they need to place all their faith and hope in the person
    of Jesus Christ for the future.
    What is the good of praying for Revival in your Church when it’s full of carnal and worldly “Christians?” Would the Lord send the
    unsaved to your Church when it’s in such a mess? No a hundred
    times No. Revival always starts with me or you the Pastor and when the individual has been broken and repented before God and surrendered all to the Master, then we can expect to see the
    Holy Spirit move.
    “If any man be in Christ he is a new Creation the old life has passed away and new life has come.” A totally new creature from
    the inside out, the desire for sin has gone and the love for the world is gone and God has given you a new nature. The Holy Spirit has come to live within your heart and soul.
    Listen! The greatest Baptist Preacher of the 19th Century was
    C.H.Spurgeon and he said this “If our lives are unholy and our
    hearts are unchanged therefore our souls are unsaved. The

    grace of God that does not make us different from what we were before we received it, is counterfeit.” Do you believe that? I certainly do, because that was what I experienced when I was born of the Spirit.There must be the evidence of a transformed life. You are
    a totally changed person if you are in Christ and your unsaved friends notice it and start to ask questions.
    We will never see our generation won for Christ unless the preachers of today get hungry for more and more of Jesus Christ.
    Phil.3v7-11. We need men of prayer who have a consciousness
    of holiness about their lives with pure hearts that have been sanctified by God and the Holy Spirit Fire burning in their souls.

    So preach the Gospel in the power of the Spirit to turn your Church around and preach holiness of life. Preach the Word
    because the Holy Spirit rides best in His own Chariot.

  92. Claudia Jun 7th 2013

    Peace to you, Wilson Wong, Amen to all that you wrote. You are solid in the Gospel….you nailed the heart of it!

    Jordan Shepperd wrote: “On a final note, we need to understand what we consider the Gospel to be. Too often, discussion on the Gospel is fragmented and hijacked. I recommend people take a look at Paris Reidhead’s sermon on “So Great Salvation”. Not saying all the answers are there, just material that will evoke robust discussion on salvation.”

    I wonder….Why on earth should we read what a man has written, when we have the words that Jesus Christ stated? Why should we look towards man???? This looking towards man and dwelling on man’s opinions with our intellect and reasoning, is why the Way of Jesus Christ has been polluted and allowed the powers and delusions of satan to enter the churches of man. Instead, we should be loving Jesus with all of our hearts, willing to die for Him, wanting His Will above and beyond our own, and reading and studying the words that He has said, and the words that He has taught His disciples, and the words that were given to His Prophets of Old. We should be earnestly praying for the Light to be within us in order to understand His words….that is why Jesus Christ sent us the Holy Spirit to shine forth the Way of our Journey towards everlasting Life with Him.

    Wineskin….God’s Word will never be lost…It is forever, as is His Glory and Power. It is mankind who is lost and who is in jeopardy! It is Christ who has already provided the Way, and will save the Day upon His return. He has selected those who are His, and their ears will turn to Him and those He sends out without fear for their lives to speak to them His Truth when the first trumpet starts to sound. Those who used christianity as a means to enhance their life upon this earth for wealth power and prestige will welcome the false messiah as this false one will speak to their heart…and build up their self glory. GOD’S KINGDOM IS COMING….and He will be with earth for 1,000 years….and He will not fail or waiver as did mankind. God knew man would fail, just as He knew that Peter would deny Him twice before the cock crowed. All is well…God’s Plan is not finished…..it is not dependent on mankind…that is why He sent His Son. Don’t ever measure the Truth or the Way of Jesus Christ by the state of mankind!

    Amen and Amen….Edison

    Amen and Amen….Ken1

    Amen and Amen….Jonathan

    Well said, Sheri, and yes….I too think He is going to surprise us all. Come Lord Jesus Come! Not one of us is Worthy….only You, and through You we have Grace!

    Well sung……Randall! There is nothing worth having if He is not in it!

  93. Wow, I see we have two Lynn’s here, the one who just posted the video above and myself.

  94. Claudia Jun 7th 2013

    Robin Kerr….should we not all be announcing the Gospel? Which to me is the Plan of God, made possible by Jesus Christ alone.

    When ever I am in public and have occassion to start up a conversation……I ask them….”What do you think of the World today?” Not many are real happy with what they see…..those who have a good heart. The answers to this question leads to a discussion of good and evil…..and eventually to the fact that my God has a Plan also, and the evil one thinks he has longer than he does to enact and finish his plan with his evil followers. My God acts much sooner than the evil one realizes…..that is why no one knows the day or hour that He returns to burn the tares, first putting His Harvest in His Barn, to be used to help Him carry out His iron rod rule within the Mellinnium.

    His “Harvest” even now prays for that Day to come….they do not pray for many days upon this earth, and their own comfort. They pray that His Day comes soon so that all evil will be destroyed and no more harm is done to even the least of His creatures made.

    May you all be part of that Harvest….tho none of us are perfect, or have perfect understanding.

  95. LAY HOLD on eternal life.
    Tomorrow may not come for some
    and yesterday is too late.
    SO REJOICE NOW…………………..
    PRAISE THE LORD. IT is HE that has given us all reason to have HOPE.
    and HOPE in him, remains even when all else is gone.
    THIS HOPE abounds in all times.
    FOR this HOPE is not about what is yet seen.
    BUT in HIM who is not yet seen.
    and be ever thankful . REJOICE that you have this hope,
    for many do not. REJOICE in the LORD.
    THE FACT we have been REDEEMED and given such HOPE
    in HIM, is truly all the reason to rejoice in Him.
    Learn to be full, even in the loss of all things
    Learn of Him, and rejoice when any persecute you
    for it is THEN you are being found worthy to suffer shame for HIS NAME. PRAISE the LORD and to GOD be all glory. amen.

  96. Another severe loss was when pastors/ministers/lay persons started TELLING someone they are born again because they said the sinners prayer and “really believed it.”
    ONLY the Holy Spirit can tell persons they are born again: “For the Spirit witnesses with OUR spirit that we are children of God.”
    It is required for the person to “break through” to God, after some period of repentance and humbling before the Lord. Now, people only have to really “believe” and, presto, they are “born again” (NOT).
    When a person breaks through to God, His Holy Spirit ENTERS them, leaving the knowledge of being born again and made acceptable to God indwelling within them. They KNOW they are forgiven, cleansed, and saved.
    We need to quit telling people what ONLY the Holy Spirit can tell them. LET them agonize “at the altar” until they know they’ve broken through to Him.

    what you spoke of about HIS DAY, HIS COMING
    is the least talked about thing anywhere I GO.
    YET its in about every letter ever writ to the early church,
    and CHRIST warned several times about watching.
    Claudia…………….what ONE THING did the early church have in common that this age LACKS MASSIVE.
    THEY all spoke and lived as though HIS COMING WERE NIGH
    BUT they didnt take heed the warning in LOTTS days
    or NOAHS either.
    JESUS said HIS COMING would be in days LIKE THOSE.
    HIS COMING DOES DRAW NIGH. and though i be shunned , mocked for saying so…………….I WILL for the LOVE of CHRIST comples me warn and encouage others.
    And may we all be ready to embrace the righteous judgment of GOD upon us all. As said in second thess chapter one
    TIS the righteous judgment of GOD, that we Suffer, that we be counted worthy of THIS KINGDOM.
    FOR not only is it given on our behalf to BELIEVE ON HIM
    but also to SUFFER for his name sake.
    be zealous therefor and repent.
    For those without chastisement are bastards not sons.
    Most of our light afflcition has been words or seperating of company. BUT SOON persecutions go VIRAL and WORLDWIDE.
    that we are being counted worthy to suffer shame for HIS NAME.
    a few will still be here WHEN THE TRUE KING RETURNS
    but many will have been killed by Son of perdition.
    MAY HE BE GLORIFIED. whether through our songs
    our priases…………even our suffereings…..
    for when we take our suffering pateintly……..ON OUR PART
    OH…………let us all again READ ONLY BIBLE.
    what the PROPHETS said. AND REJOICE IN THE LORD. amen.

  98. CLAUDIA is correct.
    the problem today is men, people bringing they own ideas
    they own wisdoms, they own physcologies
    they own thoughts.
    IF ONLY the bible were read , and the people LOVED to have it so. But sadly today
    its men and their wisdom which is praised and exalted
    THAT would have given them the TRUE HOPE
    the true comforts……….which mens opinions can never do.
    IS HOPE that abounds in all times.
    FOR THE HOPE is IN HIM, not our surroundings, circumstances
    lackings or anything seen.
    BUT IN HIM……………..GODLINESS is profitable in this life and the one which is to come. FOR HOPE it GIVES. amen.
    earthly treasures will fade………………….and trust in them is vain.
    brings a peace which few can understand. PEACE in heart
    through all times, good or bad. amen.
    PRAISE THE LORD. amen.

  99. TO TRUST IN MEN, GOVTS, etc will end in SLAVATION
    all else gets the TEST.
    test all you hear, test and try all spirits, words
    for many now speak of they own heart
    and prophey of they own heart, and sadly many love to have this so. OH, say many, prophesy unto us SMOOTH THINGS
    away with the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.
    let us not hear of cross and losses
    but of gain as godliness. THIS is storing up wrath unto the day
    of wrath.
    I SAY………………..in all things……………..LORD THY WILL BE DONE. amen.

  100. Lightning Storm Jun 7th 2013

    AMEN! Edison.

    Soon, very soon.

  101. Lightning Storm Jun 7th 2013

    AMEN Robin Kerr. Well said and so true that the TRANSFORMATION/REGENERATION done in us by the Holy Spirit should be NOTICEABLE to ALL. (even without blabbing our mouths….which even the demons can preach the gospel and quote the right scriptures…..check out Satan’s conversation with Jesus)

  102. Kevin Jun 7th 2013

    Andrew Strom ,

    Have you ever personally lost the gospel ? or not known the gospel ?

    I put it to you that you haven’t !

    I also put it to you that the ” church ” that you speak of as having lost the gospel , never had it , in the first place .

    Now a sincere question to you Andrew ;

    Given the bible prophecy about all that we see , can a place or entity that never had the true gospel , be reformed ?

    Why I ask , is Andrew, if you know the true gospel as it appears that you do , then isn’t the question really , to whom does our Lord want you to preach the true gospel ?

    cos I don’t see a preaching reformation being received by an entity that does so well out of preaching the other gospel.

    See Andrew , I firmly believe that if you go to whom our Lord sends you , then the signs and wonders , the evidence of His authority , will be with you.

    In His love


  103. Averyl Jun 7th 2013

    Great posts!

    Here’s a song by Don Moen that blesses me & hope it blesses you all too, – “Love You So Much”.


    (hope I typed that correctly!)

  104. Averyl Jun 7th 2013

    Well, I didn’t, sorry!
    Try again.


  105. Jason Jun 7th 2013

    Good letter, Strom. What my impression is, is that when you start preaching right, sound doctrine you just wait for ‘the storm’ to hit you. It’s not popular to tell anyone that what you are doing is wrong. It’s better to be positive about it all. It’s also like some people just doesn’t know that bad doctrine really is bad doctrine and it might actually ruin you. What I see, to a certain point, is that a number of christians are so naive. People don’t test miracles, prophecy or persons. As long as the fish got a christian name tag, you can eat it without getting sick!. This insanety must stop.

    Time is valuable. Let’s use it to defend and spread the doctrine of Lord Jesus and his gospel. We must pray for wisdom to do this task effectively. Please pray for a person i have in my mind. This person needs to see the truth and repent. God bless you all in the mighty name of Jesus.

  106. Averyl Jun 7th 2013

    Must need better glasses!


  107. Kevin Jun 7th 2013

    Andrew S ,

    Further to what I posted above ;

    You would be aware of the pattern that preceded many of the early true moves of the Spirit , in that some who were preaching in a more traditional way , became frustrated and even despondent in their attempts to reach people for Jesus .
    This lead to them seeking more of Jesus , which lead to the baptism of the fire of the spirit , then to them being sent specifically to places that Christ sent them , where He had prepared the way , and the rest is history.

    By and large many of the true moves of the Spirit were outside of the recognized , organized religion of the time , and further, the true moves of the spirit became extinguished when eventually they became integrated back within main stream , denominational organized religion.

    At least that is the way I read that it all played out.

    So I guess I’m saying the “outbreak ” of the true Spirit appears to come with the outreach to the place that Christ wants us to go.

    Andrew , do you think many of the early ? “revivals” would have occurred if the focus had been on reformation ?

    Or was it the true move of the Spirit reaching the lost , that eventually lead to reformation ?

    In any event the only way any of us will see His spirit moving to bring true transformation to people , is if we are going to the people that He desires us to go ,,,

  108. The change in emphasis from salvation by God to salvation by man is part of the apostasy of the last days. The truth is, many today are told that they are saved because of some followed formula; but Jesus said believers would be known by their fruits, not by their human works (Matthew 7:16. He also said, in Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven; but the one doing the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? And in your name did we not cast out demons? And in your name did many works of power?’ And then I will confess to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, the ones working lawlessness.’”

    There are promises of the gospel to be received. Those who obey the gospel are promised that they will receive the remission of their sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). In addition they are promised a home with Christ in eternity (John 14:1-3). There are commands of the gospel which must be obeyed. Those who do not obey the gospel will suffer eternal destruction (II Thessalonians 1:8).

    The salvation of the soul is probably the most misunderstood concept in Christianity today. It matters not what the church say about soul salvation, if the Scriptures say something different. Spirit and soul are not the same in the Bible. The following Scripture clearly establishes that soul and spirit are not the same:

    1 Th 5:23 (KJV) “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”.

    This confirms that man is a triune being, just as God is a Trinity. It also helps to confirm that spirit salvation differs from soul salvation. Spirit salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ plus nothing. The following Scripture about Paul and Silas confirms this:

    Acts 16:30-31 (KJV) (30) And (the Philippian jailer) brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (31) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    Spirit salvation is very simple. One simply believes that Jesus Christ died for his sins. One can do nothing to earn this salvation. It is a gift from God, and the Holy Spirit even provides the faith.

    However, the Scriptures go into great detail regarding soul salvation, which should occur after spirit salvation. The Scriptures are also clear that effort or striving is necessary for soul salvation. The following Scripture confirms this:

    James 1:21 (KJV) “Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls”.

    This Scripture is addressing believers and it states that a believer can save his soul by getting rid of sin in his life and studying and obeying the Bible.

    The difference between spirit salvation and soul salvation is the difference between grace and works. The spirit is saved by faith in Jesus Christ, while the soul is saved by faithfulness to Jesus Christ. Soul salvation does not determine whether a person enters heaven, but it does determine his reward in heaven. Some Christians will enter heaven with no reward because of unfaithfulness to Jesus.

    The following Scripture confirms this: 1 Cor 3:13-15 (KJV) (13) “ Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. (14) If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (15) If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire”.

    In the following Scripture, Jesus explains the requirement for soul salvation:
    Mat 16:24-27 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    The Christian who loses his soul in order to save it is the faithful, spiritual Christian who will receive a reward at the Judgment Seat of Christ when the Christian’s works will be tried by fire. The souls of Christians who continued to live according to their old flesh nature will be lost (i.e., they will perish or be destroyed), and they will receive no reward. All of these Christians will have lost their souls and will have no positions of honour and glory in the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ.

    Because of this, we as the true “bride’ can not partake of any church organisation that is promoting another Gospel or embracing doctrines of demons. We are to depart and find (as Frank above said) like minded believers to fellowship with, who are true to the Gospel of Christ.

  109. Marilyn Crow Jun 7th 2013

    Kevin & Wineskin,

    I appreciate both your comments & thought them insightful & helpful.


  110. Logan Jun 7th 2013

    Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

    Traditional Christian doctrine has taught us that this is point that we receive the Holy Spirit, yet…..

    Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
    Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
    Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

    “For as yet…” I’d like to suggest that traditional doctrine is both self serving and WRONG. Traditional doctrine uses, and I mean USES, the Epistles to explain away this clear teaching of the facts. It creates a two part giving of the Holy Spirit that just doesn’t exist, as Acts 8 clearly shows us. They would have us believe that Epistle teachings say something different. They self servingly ignore that these letters were written at a specific time to specific peoples, people who had had the same kind of experience of the Holy Spirit that had taken place at Pentecost and following as the Book of Acts shows. True Spirit filled men of God were enabled to minister the Holy Spirit to the unsaved.

    Act 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
    Act 8:6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
    Act 8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.

    The preaching of Christ by a Spirit filled brother accomplished these things amongst them. This is what the True Gospel does! If it doesn’t do this then it isn’t the True Gospel but a substitute made up of Bible facts, misused, that have replaced the true Spirit empowered Gospel.

    Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

    What the Epistles say is only to/for those people who have been convicted by and baptized in the Holy Spirit, yet Christendom has created doctrines that have twisted this all around to say that anyone agreeing that Jesus is God’s son is saved, by a raising of their hand and/or saying an unbiblical prayer, even if they haven’t been convicted by the Holy Spirit producing true repentance and baptized in the Holy Spirit, the fruit of the True Gospel.

    In short, most of what has passed itself off as Christianity for the last 1800 some years is not Biblical. The Doctrine of a two tier giving of the Holy Spirit had to be created in order that Christianity as religion could exist, since true Spirit filled faith had failed. True Gospel Christianity is a spiritual relationship with the Godhead, something seldom seen in our day or any days except those around the Great Revivals when the True Gospel lived again. It’s my opinion that the Great Revivals always faded away because those brothers and sisters couldn’t divorce themselves from the man centered Institutional Churches/denominations which God was trying to save them from. Their ideas of Christianity were so wrapped up in these institutions that seeing them as the spiritual millstones around their necks that they were/are just wasn’t possible, so revival faded every time.

    Thank you for that great article, Andrew, may the True Gospel rise again.

  111. Haven Jun 7th 2013

    Does anyone think that God will accept Christians being into the occult during the revival?

    Christ’s ministry called sinners to a more intimate relationship with God through repentance of sins for the remission of sins.

    Preach the gospel about the occult and see if the sinners will listen to you.

  112. My dearest brother Andrew,

    I haven’t got anything to prove. I don’t NEED to show off here with a bunch more scriptures…but…may God bless the ones that have already contributed in a way pleasing to God. Nor do I NEED to add anything else to what has already been stated above and by the “Holy Spirit of GOD”, through you and the others, that are really and truly in tune, with God as the determining One.

    What I think is really NEEDED here, more than perhaps anything else, is to let you know I fully agree with you and the spirit in which it has been delivered. NOW, I want and NEED you to know that everyone I can find, including me, of course, will be praying for the PERFECT WILL OF GOD to be DONE on the EARTH…from NOW until HE returns!!! That is what the “SHEEP” can do while His truly appointed and anointed ones preach and teach ONLY what God sets forth. I/we long for His return…but…we believe HE won’t come back until WE have COMPLETED HIS work on the WHOLE EARTH!

    I pray that you will be safe and protected from every power of darkness, in THE MIGHTY NAME of JESUS! Please continue to keep your spirit in tune so that you are able to continue hearing the FULL and TRUE WORD of GOD for THIS DAY and TIME PERIOD!!!

    Blessings, in His Precious Name! Be blessed, encouraged and even more thankful…that God is using you and the others, like you…TODAY!!! I sure am thanking God that HE cares and LOVES us sooooooo much!!!

    Ron, your Canadian brother in Christ Jesus our Lord!


  113. terry Bodnar Jun 7th 2013

    how very true, today the new leadership is based more on Tithes and Donations ( finance ways) than saving of souls. I’m shocked and disapointed to see the devil at work inside churches and people appointing preachers to “tickles them ears”!!

  114. Thanks Marilyn.


  115. Hi AM,

    Have you considered 2 Peter 2:8 in your analysis of the soul of the believer?

    Have you also considered 1 Thessalonians 5:24?

    I’ve spoken quite “in depth” on this topic on various threads on this website over the last few months in particular but for really the entire time I’ve been here – which is over three years (including JBTV) to date…

    We are given more than you realise at salvation… 🙂

    It is the remains of “sin within me” which is burnt away before we – those who have been born again – enter heaven – not our righteous souls which we were given at salvation…

    I’m happy to discuss this in further detail with you either here or elsewhere…

    Love to you,


  116. david wilson Jun 7th 2013

    Thank You Andrew, wise words…True words…I made a comment on my own facebook page on Tuesday (UK time) just after the House of Lords had voted on the “same sex issue”..My comment was that WHERE I live that there were “custody chaplains and street pastors” dancing in the streets that “same sex” was becoming closer to being law..I have previously argued here in town that WE MUST Know our BIBLES, how else can we proclaim Jesus/the Gospel if we do not know our bibles. It is vital that we tell it as it is…this has been with us down many centuries, it does not require changing, society requires changing. IF the christian community does not have time to reach “the word” then WE NEED to make time…know it, learn it, digest HIS Teaching. only then can we Proclaim the Gospel of the bible

  117. The gospel was compromised a loooooong time ago. It is only now that attention is being paid to the compromise.

  118. Claudia Jun 7th 2013

    AM….yes, the FRUITS shall mark us as to who we follow. The fruits of the dragon are THEFTS and LIES and MURDER of others by and for their own gain (stealing lives).

    FRUITS of the Spirit of God….TRUTH (true witness in all matters) and the giving of your LIFE for that TRUTH and LOVE.

    Zech.5:1-4 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by My Name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

    What is the “house of him that sweareth falsely by My Name”?

    What happens to that house? What is happening to that “house”?

    IT IS CONSUMED! The THIEF enters it unaware!

    Than in Zech 5: 5-11 the “epah” which is a measure of wickedness (if “epah” is a measure it also means that this period of wickedness has been measured and is only for a certain length of time….controlled by God. This wickedness is symbolized by a woman who is cast into the epah and it is capped off, limited to a place of her own in the land of Shinar which is all about Babylon, physically and spiritually. Greed, self gain and glory, seeking materialism, Global Economy and rule of man. Why was the original Babylon destroyed….and their languages diversified? Because man was seeking man for all understandings and gain (tempted by….attracted towards….the offerings of the spirit of the self centered dragon).

    The current system and the literal latter city that represents Babylon and man’s plans will be destroyed and will have no place within the Millennium Reign of Christ…..which will be administered over by the Born Again Saints (transformed), One with Christ, carrying out His Will (iron rod) instantly upon the Mellinnium Kingdom.

    Do not mourn over the death of MAN’S PLANS! It is all about the PLAN OF GOD…..the BEST PLAN!

    We must be HUMBLE, stop striving under our own will and expectations/understandings and accept HIS WILL. Be still and He will put us where He wants us. In that “stillness of waiting” LOVE HIS PEOPLE, not “evil”. Pray that those who would destroy His people (the dragon and those who seek evil who are his) will be destroyed….as written…according to God’s Plan, according to God’s timeing.

    Welcome the Will of God, stop changing It, because It seems harsh according to your understandings. Except the entire Will and Nature of God….know that God is CORRECT!

    Ron Smith said that God won’t come back until WE have COMPLETED HIS work on the WHOLE EARTH!

    You are giving far too much glory and status to man!

    GOD completes His own Work…when He comes back! One of the purposes of this age is to demonstrate that man cannot complete God’s Work….and must become HUMBLE in recognition of this fact! Only when mankind is Born again into his transformed body, united forever with God, one with God in purpose and mind will he be able complete (with God) His Work within the Mellinnium.

    After the Mellinnium, it is done….finished…. the story of the old earth is over.

  119. Claudia Jun 7th 2013

    Johan Laubser commented way up on this list of comments…29th comment. He wins the prize….he nailed it….Jesus Christ is the Gospel! He states so well what many are trying to say! Read his words,….what the heck….I’ll repost them below:

    Johan Laubser wrote; “Andrew, I am so sorry, but I cannot agree with you at all! I cannot loose the gospel. Jesus is the Gospel. I met Him years ago and cannot loose Him. He loves me too much. He will NEVER leave nor forsake me. I am saying “I” because meeting Jesus is an individual experience and NOT the corporate event that some people are trying to make of it. If you have lost Jesus,then all I want to say to you is this: You are being deceived as being abandoned and that is a LIE! People are being judged for being “out of church”, by the Grace of God, How can I be out of Him who lives in me? Are we going nuts? Please ,read your Bibles and see that Jesus came to set us free from this condemnation and He broke the yoke of sin over our lives. I cannot fall away because I understand and accept what Jesus has done for me. Trust me in this: Tell people the truth without taking their money and you will preach another Gospel. Freely you have received and freely you should give! If you allow the Holy Spirit to make you understand the Grace of God by which you are saved through Jesus, then you will long not to live an unholy live and you will want others to be set free as well. WE SHOULD START REPENTING FROM REPENTING! Jesus has done it all. He will return, He will reign, He will receive His bride whom He has made righteous. He did not do an incomplete work!


    JESUS LIVES! Do not be despondent, be filled with Joy, as the Work has been completed in God’s Realm and time zone…nothing you can do or don’t do will change that FACT! (What you do affects your “rewards”)

    LOVE HIS PEOPLE WHILE YOU ARE YET HERE! The GOSPEL is FOREVER! Share the word with all that are brought to you in your daily lives by your words and your actions. And, to those who are called….go seek ways of spreading the knowledge of Jesus Christ and His Way.

  120. Jordan Shepherd Jun 7th 2013

    WIlson Wong, are you sure that’s the Gospel? Just believe? I recall some have quoted Smith Wigglesworth as having said often: “only believe”. My view is that Smith Wigglesworth was taken out of context for various things he said. I believe he was referring in this instance to our reception of His healing grace when he said, only believe. I digress.

    “Just believe”. I don’t want to complicate the Gospel, and yet I don’t want to water it down. Perhaps I am over analysing here and should give it no more thought?

    What were the first words of Jesus when he came out of temptation and into ministry? “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” (Mark 1:15) So Jesus said himself, REPENT & BELIEVE.

    To share further of my own story: I repented (perhaps ceased doing ‘wrong’ would be more accurate) of all things I knew to be wrong when I was 21 years of age. Please hear me out here. At that age, I never heard anyone ever speak about Jesus or God or the Bible. That happened 6 years later when I was 27 years old. No Sunday school ever and no mention of God ALL through school. Remarkable really that not one person told me about God until I was 27, right here, in Australia, growing up in the 70’s and 80’s.

    So ‘repenting’, I decide I will cease doing all I know is wrong, well almost all. I figure somehow when I was 21 I needed to stop partying and the like and get my life right. I hungered for the truth and searched for it in the wrong places, but no Gospel. So I ‘repented’, or removed bad works from my life, for a time. The problem was, there was no one or nothing, to believe in. Scripture says, “And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? (Romans 10:14).

    So I know now one can repent without believing … However, I understand it is also true that one can believe, without repenting. I figured that out without reading anyone’s opinion.

    Just believe? I’m not so sure.

    Claudia – that is why I recommend Paris Reidhead’s message, So GREAT SALVATION. In that message he describes 4 types of faith, three of which lead people to hell. So when we say, “believe”, we know what we mean on the other side of our discipleship / relationship with Jesus. But the general modern day population, probably don’t have a clue about “belief” in “God” in the context of the full Gospel. They will likely syncretise their understanding with their existing false worldview to come up with some hybrid form of a belief system and count themselves in the number with other ‘believers’. That is how people develop their so called faith.

    To illustrate, in the past, when speaking to some recent ‘converts’ I was tasked with follow up of people who made a decision to accept Christ. I actually started asking people if they had heard the Gospel because many Church meetings went by without the Gospel being preached and people chose to become a christian.This really concerned me and I raised it with pastors. One night after explaining the Gospel to a young lady she replied, can’t I be a Christian and a Buddhist? I explained the contrast and the Gospel again and she got up and said, I don’t accept that, then proceeded to walk away, not to be seen again.

    To further illustrate my point above, Mike Gendron preached a sermon called “God and the Gushy Gospel”. In this message, he explains how he sat in Church for 38 years before he heard the Gospel one day and got saved. He warns abut the dangers of a false Gospel. If we don’t know what the true Gospel is, how will we recognise a false Gospel?

    What am I saying here? People will perish for lack of knowledge. There is no shame in listening to Godly men who impart wisdom to the body of Christ so that we all come to a measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ. This is Ephesians 4 ministry. The reason why we listen to such people is not because we have abandoned the Scriptures, Christ or the Holy Spirit, We listen because God ordained that they would EQUIP us for the work of that ministry – in this case – Evangelism. We must all be ready to give a reason for the hope that is in us. Our conversations about God’s plan of salvation will take on many forms depending upon who the listener will be. The Gospel itself will remain but the questions coming from the hearts of those who yearn for truth cannot be ignored.

    Just a couple of months ago I picked my daughter up from a youth group she had been invited to attend. I sat in the foyer listening to the confident conversations of other Christians. They did not know me. During a moment of silence, I asked a couple, “So, what is all this Jesus stuff about anyway?” The wife replied, “Oh, well, you need to come to Church and find out.” The husband replied, “Yeah, you’ll learn a lot here; we’ve been coming for 15 years now.”

    My own initial search at the beginning of my walk with Jesus to apprehend a greater understanding of the Gospel did not involve the opinions of man concerning the definition of the Gospel, but rather, a study of the interconnected themes that relate to salvation. This includes such themes as redemption, justification, reconciliation, atonement, etc. I kinda figured that the better I understood salvation and what it meant, the more I understood what happened to me from God’s viewpoint, rather than imposing my own un-renewed mind view and rather than rest the sum total of my understanding on the grace alone that was freely given to me, as wonderful and undeserved as that was. I wanted to know why the sacrifice, how God’s justice operated through the application of the blood of Christ. I could have just ignored this yearning for understanding, and sat in Church, fat, happy and dumb.

    Claudia said: “How did they preach the gospel when they did not have the Bible?”

    The Israelites/Jews, had John the Baptist preparing the way with a baptism of repentance. The Jews also knew that it was prophesied for a Saviour to come and save people from their sins. The Jews had an intimate understanding of sin since they lived under the sacrificial system. What do the Gentiles have in terms of understanding, repent, sin and a Saviour prophesied to come, ‘according to the Scriptures’?? Zero. Surely, filling in the gaps for their understanding is a noble pursuit?

    There will be times when a blockage in understanding will require an explanation of sin and repentance. We cannot take for granted people understand what we have come to know. I had to explain to my 33 year old supervisor three years ago who Adam and Eve were. This person genuinely did not know. We now have a generation of parents who had zero exposure to Sunday school which means their children have no godly influence or instruction. I think people do deserve an expansion of what sin is and what constitutes repentance and sure, allow the Holy Spirit to bring conviction and revelation to the hearer.

    “How did they preach the gospel when they did not have the Bible?”

    Let’s look at Luke 24, from verse 26, This is Jesus speaking on the Road to Emmaus, after the crucifixion – “Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.” Imagine if Jesus just said, “You foolish ones, only believe.” Instead, he expanded – big time. Call that the Gospel, if you will.

    Using intellect and reasoning is fine as long as it is sanctified and led of the Holy Spirit. Clearly, intellectualism alone is unfruitful.

    The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who wins souls is wise.

    Jesus said, come follow me and I will teach you to be fishers of men.

    Thank you for the topic, Andrew.

  121. L. Alex Smith Jun 7th 2013

    God sees those hearts that truly belong to him. The “sinner’s prayer” may be repeated in sincerity, and it contains the essential elements of required salvation texts: believing that Jesus is your saviour– of yourself, not just as a group of people; confessing that you are indeed a sinner; repenting of your sins (at least, in the wording of it– God knows the true heart of the person) and “accepting” Jesus “into your heart”. That last I could find fault with, but God isn’t a legalist for specific wording. I personally find the idea of “accepting” Christ distasteful, in that it sounds like HE is the one “begging to come in” like some waif out in the cold! As if, WE were the ones “on the Throne” holding out the Sceptre to this person, to show Him favour!!! So…I don’t like the wording. “Receiving” Christ is at least Biblical per John 1:12, but in modern lingo it still carries with me the same connotation.
    Complete and Total, UnConditional Surrender would be more like it! Revel. 3:20 “I stand at the door and knock…” is used Evangelistically, yet it wasn’t written to the UnSaved, but to Christians who were Luke-Warm, the Laodicea Church! How appalling is that, Jesus standing OUTSIDE the door of the very people that He loves “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten”. However, God can save by Rote Prayers; by Pentecostal Revival repentance altars; by Street Preachers; by quiet words; by arguments from sharp intellects (such as C.S. Lewis’ s conversion); and even by gazing upon the bare winter boughs of a tree, Brother Lawrence in Paris of 1666 was saved….and his life of surrender and focus on the Lord is able to be read in its testimony “The Practise of the Presence of God”. I think the “Pentecostal altar on my knees” is the “best” one– BUT– don’t underestimate what God can use, and what He can do. It’s the heart that He deals with first. Francis of Assissi said, “Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words.” I like the approach of Total LifeStyle being a Witness– but he was consumed with passion, joy, and the Glory of God himself, unlike the staid pew-sitters of today…that saying does not apply to them. When he said that in the early 1200’s, he walked the streets of Assissi literally Manifesting the Glory of God– others wanted what he had, because he POSSESSED it. WE need to Possess the Gospel and the Glory of God, so that others will be drawn to the Lord coming through us…or else be enraged by Him in us! Can we focus on getting to that level of closeness to Jesus….?

  122. fabakary Jun 7th 2013

    The scriptures says Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. To follow peace does not mean you already have it , but it mean you are pursuing it. To follow holiness does not mean you are already holy but it means you are pursuing or desiring to be holy. Many are there who have been desiring after holiness for many so years but up to date they have not yet met the Living Christ. They are hungry but they have not yet been given food. The key to the food though near their hearts is still hidden, a mystery to their hearts. What such kind of people need is food from above . The message of repentance will only add to their hunger, a frustration, desperation not solution. The message of Repentance or holiness does not save anyone but is a means to create hunger for food. But the day they comes to aware of the simple truth of Christ as there food is the day they will be fed and of them it will be written in their hearts “they will hunger no more” for they will be daily feeding on the living Christ. They will no longer following to have holiness , because they have now holiness, the life of Christ manifesting in them; for no one pursue after a thing He have. Christ holiness is infinite, but having Christ as their life is having the infinite holiness, they will keep manifesting for eternity.
    Yet there are another group who need no food, but rather need first to be stave before you present them the food. If you present the free food, “grace” they will just trample it on their foot and do what the scripture calls “turning the grace of God into lasciviousness “.A message of Judgment, the reality of eternal hell , the anger of God , etc and a message on perfection will also serve to create Hunger since most of this group are self righteous. To them the message of repentance is very indispensible but such a message alone does not save. When they are hungry, they will desire food; Holiness and they will find it in Christ by resting in Christ. And sometimes this process as simple as it is can take years before this key is found in many people. Partly God allowing first to destroy all self effort to feed themselves outside of Christ, that is by their own strength.
    In the world this two group always mixed , in the communities, field, Christian gathering etc so the message that might help another may still leave another void, like those that were using Paul message for their own destruction , though through it Christ saved others. Both messages are important, dependant on the hearts. So we see while some emphasis one while others the other.

  123. Excellent post. Apparently though, it was like this before many of the revivals in the past…50-80% of people in churches not saved, is what I have read as being the state of things before the Welsh and Hebrides revivals. It’s the same now….Those of that are aware must preach the true gospel though regardless of what is going on around us….a gospel that includes the fact that God alone can draw souls to Himself, and that the cost must be counted…and the cost is very high….That we must be willing to lose any and/or everything for the cause of Christ….the fields are still white unto harvest….I don’t want to sit and mourn the mess until Jesus comes. I want to go forward and snatch people from hell’s flames until He comes!

  124. Ke have often n Everett Jun 7th 2013

    As far as I know, the Bible tells of a great end-time apostasy. I have no doubt that this is what we are witnessing today.

    Besides the spread of Christianity in countries like China, I have often wondered where the ‘revivalists’ get the idea that there are going to be great revivals all over the earth. (Not to mention that I consider the term ‘revivalist’ to be yet another man-made construct invented to fill the pews)

    I’m sorry but I just do not see this. I have been watching ‘revival crusades’ in my town for over 15 years and the real fruits of these ‘revivals’ are nowhere to be seen.

    I have no doubt that the end of ‘day’ is drawing near sooner than we may realize – soon it shall be night and no-one will be able to work for the Kingdom anymore.

    Get busy people – our loved ones who are not yet in the Kingdom are in ever growing peril!

  125. Lyndell Enns Jun 7th 2013

    The new book, Today’s Titanic ‘brings back the gospel’ and untwists the twisted Christian gospels that are so prevalent today!

  126. Terry E Jun 7th 2013

    The Word of God speaks clearly – Mathew 7:13,14. “The Narrow Way” Enter by the narrow gate;for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction,and there are many who go in by it.14,Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life,and there are few who find it. Read the rest of Ch 7 & you’ll have Godly understanding of Andrews concerns on this issue. Now here’s the thing – I have lead a street team ministering to homeless in Brisbane for some years. {feeding & preaching} and recently spoke briefly about the differences in religions – Christianity v Islam. Mentioning that Islam religion incites violence & hatred which moved a muslim guy to respond with – both religions serve the same God & they are both so close in beliefs. Later I spent 45 mins explaining the truth to him but to no avail. His friend walked over and commented – Its all good mate because you raised your hand last night with the sinners prayer and excepted Jesus! “your saved”! Another example – A rehab team I work with spoke to a drunk lying on the street and started to explain the Gospel when he stated – I’m a Christian and saved! A Pastor prayed the sinners prayer to me recently so now I’m able to lay hands on you and pray for you! You see in both these examples there is no “repentance,nor turning from sin,nor changing one’s lifestyle,but simply continueing onto destruction. I’ve seen so many examples similar to this that it honestly makes me want to vomit! My question is – Do you think that these sinner prayer,raise ya hand preachers are from men or from God? Do you think that maybe they are so insecure & uncertain in their own walk with the Lord that maybe by using this sinners prayer doctrine they can justify it by sprouting no’s saved on facebook and build up their own ego’s? I think so!!! God help us to preach the true Gospel in “Spirit & Truth”.

  127. Serenity Jun 7th 2013

    So very true, Andrew. It is heartbreaking.

    A time for every one of us to be pressing in to God and doing whatever HE tells us to do.

    Let US be sharing the gospel (good news) as He directs us, because the institution that once preached the gospel, no longer does.

  128. Be blessed all lambs of the LORD!!!!!!!!!!!
    It can be disheartning to see the apostacies and falling away
    so prevelant in todays world, churches and many forms.
    So let us pray as one for Labourers of GODS HOLY GOSPLE
    to begin anew each day, with a feverant good will and holy teaching and preaching unto the lost.
    We must understand we shall be met with mass resistance,
    but that some will hear and repent.
    Let us not lose any HOPE. GOD saved us,
    let us go onward in Him, the gosple of HIS SON
    and Walking HOLY in an unholy land, continue onward
    in HIM, and seeking the lost sheep. THE SHEEP WILL HEAR.
    THOUGH we be met with much resistance, STILL the SHEEP will hear. And since we know not all who will be saved,
    PREACH to all, the good news. We simply plant or water.
    WHAT they do, or the excuses they make to remain in sin etc
    IS upon them. LET US FOCUS on preaching it and encouraging one another daily. Warn and encouage, encourage and warn.
    DO all as unto the LORD. LIVE the sermon on the mount , lIVE by JESUS words and fight the fight, contend for the true , pure, holy, faith once delivered long ago , and stand firm upon the ROCK. Times , Perilous times are coming. HAVE no fear.
    GOD is with his own. And all who lose their life for the gosples
    the same shall be saved. BE ENCOURAGED
    LIFT up the heavy hands and PRAISE THE LORD.
    HE will shew unto us things to come, and give us words
    to say to the peoples. BE BLESSED.

  129. Roger (NZ) Jun 8th 2013

    I share with you the words from a good friend (a spiritual elder) in the mid 90’s, who is now with Lord Jesus. Please note at the end, the word ‘demonstrate’ – we may speak words, but we also need to demonstrate the ‘life’ that Lord Jesus desires of us:

    “….I believe that God is moving today among his people in ways which will be understood only by those who share his longing for the establishment of his rule on earth. For thousands of years God has seen fallen man destroying both himself and the earth as he seeks to govern according to the tree of knowledge. God has allowed him to try, while also offering him another option.

    That option has been preached in all the nations of earth but sadly has seldom been taken seriously. Today God is turning to those overcomers mentioned in Revelation who are prepared to identify with Jesus as part of a new race. A race with Jesus at its head, a race which has rejected religion, a race which is governed by the Spirit not Bishops. The threads connecting the members of this race are being woven and they form a pattern known only to God.

    At the same time, personal ties are forming between members of the new race which bind them together in friendships which do not depend on denominational loyalties or exact doctrinal agreement. Out of these friendships the Body which Christ has waited for is emerging. It is a Body which works, and it is under his direct control. With such a body Jesus can do those things HE has wanted to do for so long.

    Unlike revivals of the past which burned brightly for a short time then faded, what God is doing today has foundations and substance because he is both the architect and builder. What he is building will last, it will not be swept away by either Satan or the latest theological fashion.

    A race of people who know who they are because God has personally told them, and who are secure in their personal relationships because God has placed one living stone against another and fitted them together. Such a house, such a city will withstand the floods because it has been built on the rock which is Jesus.

    While the Christian Religion is still cloistered in buildings and holding endless meetings, or outside hawking an inadequate Gospel, others will be hidden in the world but not of it. Those who join them will do so because God touches them and draws them, not because someone offers them a ticket to heaven, provided they pay their tithes.

    They will be identified however, because in a world falling apart and totally confused they will be seen for what they really are, as distinct from religious people who claim to be what they are not. They will be stable, wise, solving problems not creating them, and they will be at peace. They will demonstrate life as God intended it to be, not as the world system has made it…”

    TO THE LORD we sing praises all the day
    HE is with us come what may
    HE is our guide, though HE tarry long
    His hand upon his own in heart
    HIs love is great and shant depart
    HE is our hope our saving KING
    SOOO, to HIm it is we sing.
    SING LAMBS SING………………….GOD is amongst his own.
    HE is our hope, HIS LIGHT goes not out by night
    And we his own are always in HIS SIGHT
    HE is the keeper of our souls
    the LAMB shall keep us from the HOLE(pit)
    LEt all affections be above
    HE is our hope , great is HIS LOVe
    SO no fears no worries, no despair in heart
    HIS own we are HE shant depart
    FOR HE is worthy of all fame
    all worship , songs , all lips of praise
    He keeps his own all their days
    SO walk in the lamb at all times
    and at the end, in His light we shine.
    BLESSED BE THE LORD……………………the savoir
    the shepard of the sheep, the bishop of our souls.
    FAINT NOT peoples of the LORD, faint NOT
    souls must hear, a good word must be spoken

  131. ARISE and CHRIST shall give thee LIGHT…………..
    I love all the lambs of the LORD.
    LEt all be quick to forgvie any,
    to even pray and bless our enemies.
    Let all WHO name the NAME OF THE LORD
    depart of evil and ensue GOOD.
    TODAY we rejoice IN THE LORD.
    TODAY we rejoice in HIS NAME, HIS SALVATION.
    Be encourage, though the darkness be great and getting
    yet darker………….HE IS WITH US……..HIS LIGHT
    shall only shine BRIGHTER.
    TO guide HIS OWN ,
    KEEP only in the bible. KEEP control over your bodies
    KEEP the LORD as the CENTER of all YOU DO
    focus not on circumstances, FOCUS ONLY ON HIS
    PROMISE………………the REWARD, the PRIZE
    the PRIZE, amen.

  132. What i sensed in the SPIRIT, i seen TODAY
    christains, muslims, etc encouraging protests together
    against certain things .
    THEYS about to be used to do destructive work
    to encite the complete grasp of the new age agenda.
    That is the problem, people complaiining about how they treated
    and how we should be FREE.
    but in this world, HE never said. You will have it easy,
    you will gain monies, and etc……..
    run from town to town…………
    now we have muslims and christains uniting together.
    THEY DONT SERVE the same GOD
    but i suppose this group does………….IT JUST AINT THE GOD of the BIBLE, its the god of all spiritual wickedness.
    DELLUSIONS going wild.
    PRAY souls be saved and let the LIGHT OF CHRIST SHINE

  133. Lightning Storm Jun 8th 2013

    AMEN, Roger, for a very good word. That is further confirmation, along with many other confirmations, of what Father told me 9 years ago.

    The OVERCOMERS are alive and well…they are the remnant, not the majority.

    Thank you for sharing.

  134. Solomon Jun 8th 2013

    Oh God resurrect the Western Church!

  135. Revelation 19:6-8

    “And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.”

  136. John 1 12
    But as many as received him, to them gave he power (exousia – authority) to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    Many are taught by teachers to stop here, and as a result never exercise that authority,
    Rom 1 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power (dunamiß- strength ability) of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek..
    Jesus last words were “Wait ..for The Promise of the Father…….. you shall receive power (dunamiß- strength ability) after the Holy Ghost is come upon you!”
    Paul says “And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: (dunamiß- strength ability)”
    So in our English bible we have one word, – power How many folk poor “christian” folk are taught there are two entirely different meanings? We must exercise the first, to be able to receive/demonstrate/preach, the second. No revival without both!
    The wisdom of man’s gospel is not, nor ever was, the Power of God for salvation Gospel Paul preached.
    Pr Michael

  137. Andrew Jun 8th 2013

    Roger – For 27 years I have observed the “Out of church” movement at close hand. I was part of it for years. And for years I heard very similar pious reasons why we in the OOC scene were the “real move” and “Jesus is my only leader” etc.

    I observed and I participated. And concluded in the end that it was anti-biblical, prideful, and breeding deception. But it sure “sounded” good. Pity that it has no resemblance in ANY WAY to the New Testament.

    I am all for a “temporary” wilderness experience. But when it goes on for DECADES there is something deeply wrong.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  138. Marilyn Crow Jun 8th 2013

    Andrew J. Horton.

    Just watched your message on U tube. You look younger than I thought, but you came across zealous for the Lord. I appreciated what you said & you have a good flow of thoughts. I like the idea of short messages as then people have opportunity to meditate on what God is saying.

    All the best. Marilyn.

  139. Marilyn Crow Jun 8th 2013

    Andrew Strom.

    Have you seen God working in other structures than the traditional denominational organisations?

    Also, could you describe how you see believers can work (by the Holy Spirit) to operate more like the early believers?

    Seeking to bridge a gap. Marilyn.

  140. Andrew Jun 8th 2013

    Yes I have.

    And even “traditional” churches can become alive and scriptural to a much larger degree. Leadership is key. Just like it was in the NT. Can you imagine the Book of Acts without the apostles? That is the difference leaders make.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  141. Marilyn Crow Jun 8th 2013

    Thank you Andrew Strom.

    And having grown up with `Apostle,` leadership in Melbourne I appreciate what you say. I also agree that ` `traditional` churches can become alive to a much larger degree.`

    I found this out when the Lord had us (my husband & myself) attend a local Anglican Church where the leader related to the people in a contemporary way.(meaning less religious trappings) We saw many humble people over a period of time & I alot of my `superior attitude,` got dealt a strong blow.

    Thus said,- How do you see the 5 fold ministries operating amongst the `traditional,` churches who are holding to truths & house type churches & network type churches, also holding to the truth of Christ?

    Your thoughts would be helpful to all of us. Marilyn.

  142. Andrew Jun 8th 2013

    Anointed ministries teaching, preaching and moving in the gifts make all the difference in any setting.

    A lot of the rest of it is just “boxes”.

    It is “people” and anointed leaders that make the difference, far more than the ‘structure’.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  143. How important is leadership?
    Israel after the split, never had a good King. Judah on the other hand had several, i seem to remember that in every case the good kings either had a good mother or grandmother who bought them up. In their reigns the nation of Judah generally prospered in the things of God
    Timothy also had a faithful mother and grandmother – no mention is made of his father! Mothers how important are you in bringing up children in the fear and admonition of the Lord? To me a Godly family is another type of the church.
    Leadership of firstly church then family finally nation is vital.for the Godly prosperity of a people.

    .Pr Michael

  144. Marilyn Crow Jun 8th 2013

    Thank you Andrew Strom,

    Yes I certainly agree with that. And we look forward to Christ the Head of the Body helping us to relate across all structures.


  145. Marie Jun 8th 2013

    Andrew my dear brother in Christ. Thank you so much for this post. Paul said, That the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I believe that is the crux here of everything. I believe, and when I say I, I believe, this is what the Holy Spirit has taught me in the last 40 odd years or so. I believe the reason the church is in such a huge mess is because of what you say here. They have not been truly born again by the Spirit of the Lord. The Bible also says that those who are joined to the Lord are one Spirit/eternal life. It is not in being saved, or as you say quoting a little prayer and saying that we receive Jesus into our hearts. Paul said here, The true Gospel IS the power of God unto salvation. I personally believe this. I accept Christ as my personal Savior. A few years up the road I am having such a tremendous hard time trying to be a Christian. I get tired and weary and want to just give up on Christianity. I come to the end of my rope and then God picks up the slack, and when I cry out to Him and tell Him all of my grief, it is then that as I cry to Him from a heart of brokeness that He starts to pick up the pieces. He tells me I must be born again this is the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. King James, ye must be born again. Jesus said it, that settles it. I get born again by the Spirit of God, not in my time, but in Gods time when He sees I am ready and I become truly born again of the Spirit. Saved first, then born again by the Spirit of God. Then I start to grow in Christ, via the Holy Spirit. amen. I have seen this for many many years, and thought if I bring this out they would tar and feather me. LOL. Yet this is no laughing matter, I hear the Spirit of the Lord say. Many are going to hell and are not even aware of it, because it is not being taught from the pulpits. I guess I had better be quiet now and just keep on interceding that all men will be saved and born again not by might, nor by power, but by the Spirit of the Lord of Hosts amen. Thank you so much Andrew for sharing this. This is true amazing grace.

  146. Marie, you said.
    Saved first, then born again by the Spirit of God.

    Marie, there in NOTHING in scripture that supports your statement.

    Being saved/born again are one and the same and it is a “Work” of the Holy Spirit.

    Saved/born again/regenerated/sealed/justified all at the same time.

    Marie, in your post you are mixing up justification with sanctification and the two need to be clearly separated and understood. Paul lays this out very well in Romans.

    Rom chapts 1-5 is on justification.

    Rom chapts 6-8 is on sanctification.

    Here are some excellent audio teachings on Romans, if you like.


    Sorry, but your post shows the error of operating on feelings/experiences. We walk by faith and not by sight.



  147. Acts 2:36-41

    “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

    Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

    “Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

    “And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.”

    Surely we are in the last days, when professing Christians will not put up with sound doctrine as taught by Jesus Christ and imparted to His apostles who turned the world upside down with their ministry!

    Sadly, there will be many who claim to be Christians and are not, who will persecute the true apostles and the supernatural move of God that’s coming.

  148. What I believe the Lord has been showing me is wounded solgers of Christ, deep within, deeper than many realize and with this more than not comes unforgiveness, and fear in many and the longer in the desert the greater the distrust and rightfully so in so, but has to be delt with and healing form out Lord, for so many whom have been harmed and had come out from the many deceptions it seems so many have departed in this way, and it becomes just Jesus and me and a few internet friends closed in so as not to be exposed to further hurt, and this begins to form a wall against any form of daily bodily fellowship Jesus speaks of in Luke 17.

    God designed bodily fellowship, see the Lord is readying himself and he is busy raising up his anointed Godly remnant his victorious arm yin these end of days, to minister to many of those in chains, many within the desert,, many within the apostate church.

    God has not changed he still truly wants none to perish, he will have his true witnesses in these final hours.

    These things I speak of here are deeply rooted in many and become a way of life and loss of hearing and with many have become hardened in their hearts to any true face to face agape bodily fellowship.

    The more frighting factor in many out of church is they left the church structure and again rightfully so for so many but they say thorw away everything you have ever been taught and they begin to form their own fleshly understanding of who Christ is who bring in their own heresy compromising and distorting the word of God many stating the word is no longer needed or is tainted. saints God himself said his word would never go void that it is a lamp unto our feet and health for our bodies that it is living and alive sharper than a two edged sword and brings life to those whom obey it.

    Saddly I am seeing many who are beginning to fall away who have left the apostate church to be free to hold on to the truth but somehow are losing his truth, one sister I know once on fire a walking example of the righteousness of Christ,, leaving this week end to go to a Rieki gathering, another asking me how do you find once what you had, how do you get back to Jesus, one becoming an atheist saying it has all be a lie, one pastor falling into adultery, and leaving many now wounded and leaving some to now join the out of church, unable to trust,

    this saints breaks my heart, tears me up inside, I know these here, I have stood along side of these people ministering, please those led of the holy Spirit pray for these and the many out there, satan uses the apostate church to steal kill and destroy many, geese there is a huge harvest out there see Jesus and Paul warned us of the sign of the Last days many would fall away from the truth, saints I have witnessed this in the in church and the out of church.

    See the dessert after time becomes a very dry place, and the worse of it all is it births Pride in many and they lose their saltiness many I know their witness has dried up and many back into the world

    And the worst is many begin to throw away what they first believed, not trusting anything the first believed and the deception they have left, again rightly so but only for many to come back with further false doctrines they now believe, and are still in deception. and deceiving others with their doctrines of demons, and they hold so tight to their doctrines even when scripture shows them they are wrong, and they get angry if you try to in a heart of love and deep concern correct them, some even get angry with the scriptures you have given them and as Jesus disciples the persecution is pretty much guaranteed.

    N)W PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, after saying all this, the dessert for many has been precious place becoming a very useable vesel for the Lord to rebuke those he loves, to prune us to help us to heal us to show us just how evil the flesh truly is and to draw us to a true brokenness, surrender dependency on him alone a joining to Jesus and the Holy Spirit, GUYS THIS IS JUST HOW PRECIUS OUR LORD IS! this is waking in his light! surrendered to him, and his plans his purpose, but what good is his light is we keep it hidden from a dark and dying world many falling away many headed for hell? many we walked away from who are in need of a savior and deliverance .I weep for these.


    Our precious Lord has much work for his true Remnant, his faithful whom he is joined too for eternity, whom his love burns for her, our hearts desiring to be with him, whom seek him daily he their first love, we his hands and feet his true disciples on this earth saints we were born for such a time as this, time is short we must siege the hour these last hours, there is a huge harvest out there, AND THAT MEANS COMING OUT FROM THE DESSERT

    SEE JESUS CAME TO THE LOST, we must also seek to reach the lost with the pure gospel of Jesus Christ, built up filled up with the Holy Spirit, this is found in his presence and obedience.

    We must seek to BODILY assemble ourselves together, as able, as the Lord provides, looking for his remnant saints to assemble with, like minded with the mind and heart of Christ Jesus, and taking care of those fully mature in the Lord whom the Lord sends our way,for instruction encouragement and fellowship including the poor and widowed

    Will there be persecution? you bet there, please let me say it again this is not for the faint of heart, you bet there will be persecution, but the strong in the Lord will see the victory in every area of danger Jesus is right by our side in these late hours, I know this to be true, he is just a prayer away our faith and trust is in him and the leading of our Holy Spirit, and I promise you the persecution will increase, this is why we must begin to step out, we must come out if we stay hidden, we will fall away our lamps will burn out! when the greater persecution comes we must be ready. We must be there to comfort and exort one another to work together for his glory to worship together and to love one another in agape love and fellowship and to be his true witnesses throughout the whole earth,.

    Saints begins to pray and intercede for one another, hold tight to Jesus, cling to the cross you must carry ,it will draw you closer to our Lord, seeking him even more, needing him more every day, praying more, trusting more clinging to his shed blood that was shed for us and go and be his army, his victorious warriors, no longer wounded. healed and steadfast in your faith unshakable faith,

    Saints of God, command the flesh to lay down and die in Jesus name confess any sin and repent, ask the Lord to take away any and all un-forgiveness, get in his word, it is a lamp to your feet. Remember we have been raised with Christ we are no longer our own, we are a new creature in Christ, buried with him in our baptism, and raised with Christ Jesus where sin actually no longer has a hold on us, and we begin to walk in this newness of life he died to give us fully joined to Christ

    This I know, he will never leave nor forsake those whom are truly his true disciples.

    GIVEN IN HIS LOVE – lynn

  149. Jordan Shepherd Jun 8th 2013

    Andrew Strom your comments about the OOC movement are spot on. I agree we may have wilderness seasons, yet there are those who enshrine and set apart OOC groups and in so doing create another type of institution that lacks biblical NT structure. That structure, is held up by a foundation of anointed leadership, people and the operation of giftings. I have just come out of 15 months of home church groups, sensing the Lord directing my family and I to connect to a local church. I am excited to support this church and to pray pray pray, while working out my salvation in fear and trembling.

  150. Gordon Neil Jun 8th 2013

    False Callings ……..re: Christian Leadership, etc.

    The present day ‘come on’ by Christian Ministries all across America is a major part of opening the door to Satan; the door that closes the door to the Days of the Gentiles. The worse enemy of the Christians are themselves; their Leadership of two faces. The two faces are the face that claims Love and the other face of Selfish Control trying to be somebody; some good intentions, some gifted, some not.

    Drunks, many alcoholic/drug addict drunks have the same problem …….two (2) faces, two minds or more! The Christian Churches-As-Usual have that same likeness going to Hell just as fast and furious as they can in their filthy rags. In others, they are thieves of the Crown positioning themselves to set at the Table of Victory; reasoning in the own best thinking that no one can see their lies. They believe in themselves, their own lies; therefore …they have been conned.

    The Churches are falling for what can be labeled has ‘The Works of Necessary Evil.” The two faced Christians are actors, actresses and show directors. Their preaching of the Word, their presentations are dead. Anyone of the Romans 8 Church has experienced the Dead Service type atmosphere evening today’s best Christian Church surroundings. The spiritual presence changes mid-service at time, during what is called the ‘Song Service’ before or after the preaching, teaching, etc. Also, there is a feeling the spiritual up-ness when the false holy spirit is on the march. There may be signs and wonders that avail us nothing in Heaven; before the Throne of God, the seven Spirits of God (Revelation 5:6).

    Note: The Thrown of God is where the bad, the evil ones dressed up as Christians, as People of God are thrown out with the others; those sentenced to, those condemned to, those disobedient in heart and mind and body to/in the Fires of Eternal Damnation.
    Q? Where you will go, what will you do if there were no Churches-As-Usual to attend? Is the Christian Churches-As-Usual as necessary evil? A! Ask God about this.

    Christians are prisoners today and will remain prisoners until they start asking Questions and getting the answers. So, start asking today! Ask God in honesty open to the Truth and the Answers come. We make progress, being made by The Way being measured; working through the traps as we GO!

    MISSIONARIES …..Drunk Christians by the False Holy Spirit!!!
    Testimony #1: August 05, 1986 …Surrendered All to God under a tree in Hunt, Texas. Most of you know the story. The other side of the story is: I surely thought God called me to the Foreign Mission Field. I would be sent to the worst place of earth by the rules of the world BUT to the men and women who under ever heard about Life in Christ. At the time I did not know Mark 16: 15-21. If a man doesn’t Believe, is not a Believer, he is just wasting his time claiming the call of God as a missionary. The Church System has conned many into Missionary False Calling of God.

    Testimony #2: It is no wonder drug addicts and alcoholic and all the rest of the world doesn’t want to be a prisoner of the Liars Christian Church-As-Usual. You cannot be Liberal or Conservative and then claim Heaven is your home, your father’s house. It is true that if you don’t share in what we call ‘The Social Graces’ the world will close up on you ………and the Churches-As-Usual doesn’t want that road to trudge …bearing it’s own cross.

    Instead of God sending me to the Foreign Mission Field, He sent me to join the large Pentecostal Church in Texas. I was in Training and He started me there, teaching me what the Christian Churches are doing not in obedience to Him personally. God does hate! One of the first lessons is a long story, BUT a man such as many Christian Leaders falling by not accepting God’s grace in Truth. This man was rich and well known in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. A lawyer man drug addict caught merely became a Christian dry drunk …..accepting men bowing before him as so man of God.

    Any Christian that has dealt with the Justice System in this country knows lawyers and judges as dumb as a group BUT are of the Shrewd of this world marching to the same tune as the Christian Churches-As-Usual. The lawyer, the name Dude given here, came to church, his wife led and God relieve him of his desire to drug. He became a Sunday School teachers, a Church Board member, a Deacon type, an Elder of that church.

    Now on the Church Bill Board, it was a Spirit Filled Church. And yes, I saw and heard the unseen Love of God in that church body. I heard of the angle(s) of that church in and around; in the music I heard as an angles voice. BUT, men and women with character defects slowly turned away from the Truth trying to be saved on their own …….corrupted by the Christian Church System in America. A form of godliness began and the Power of God, the True Holy Spirit was replaced by the Devil due to the carelessness of Christian Leaders ……all claiming they are following the call of God.

    Testimony #3: Not long ago, there were many missionaries from all over the world, as many as 15 to 20 speaking at a Missionary Conference here near the Shiloh House. In private with the Leaders of that Church hosting the Conference, the missionaries confessed their ills, their families not following what they thought was right …going to Hell. The missionary spoke of God’s hand in the field beyond wrongdoing and rightdoing BUT they themselves were not Believers for they had no Power as Disciple’s, Representatives of God; No Ambassadors or Ambassadors that had left their Relationship for their own glory. The suffering was thought as Christian …one bearing their own cross BUT not in Truth. They had no Power.

    If you want suffering bearing your own cross, you will live Mark 16: 15-21. The suffering many Christians experience is the accusations of Satan before the Court that are true. Claiming Christ and at the same time lying to self and others. A Christian with character defects may make a run BUT not to the end. AA Allen is a strong Truth icon.

    ‘Smoking’ Alcohol and the Sobering Risks of Ingestion Fads
    By Gillian Mohney
    Jun 8, 2013 6:00am

    A “Vaportini” can be used to “smoke” alcohol. (Image credit: http://www.vaportini.com)
    Drinkers who’re bored with alcohol in liquid form, or hoping to skip the calories, have found a way to “smoke” their favorite spirits.
    Vaporizing alcohol in either dry ice or through a specially made device has taken the Internet by storm, even if it is not readily available at your local watering hole. Multiple videos show young people as they inhale alcohol in an effort to get drunk faster.
    Broderic Allen of Dallas, 25, made headlines last week when he said “smoking” alcohol helped him lose weight by allowing him to ingest it without the empty calories. Allen, who started to inhale alcohol after seeing his friends try it, said he didn’t believe he was putting his health at risk.

    “It’s just a label, when you say, ‘Smoking alcohol,’” Allen told ABCNews.com. “I looked it up before I tried it and there have been no studies being done to determine if it’s bad for the lungs.”
    But even without official studies, experts warn that “smoking” alcohol and similar alcohol-ingestion fads can be dangerous.
    Dr. Brett Roth, medical director of the North Texas Poison Center in Dallas, said there have been a number of alcohol fads in the past decade, from “drinking” liquor through the eyeballs to alcohol enemas, or “butt chugging,” that started as a joke, but led to sobering consequences.

    “There’s a novelty in danger that attracts people who want to do things a little differently or add a little excitement,” ……………………said Roth, adding that he knew of one death by poisoning from an alcohol enema. “Young people are attracted [to these fads] in that way.”
    Roth concedes there is no definitive data to explain how breathing alcohol vapor is bad for your health, but he points out that the alcohol goes straight into the bloodstream through the lungs. The upshot is that alcohol travels directly to the brain instead of first passing through the stomach lining or liver, as in a drink.
    “People need to realize this will knock them out very quickly,” Roth said. “It’s much different [than drinking alcohol.]“

    Note: The Novelty of the Holy Spirit has become Most Christians undoing! So, they fake it and con themselves or go for their own glory. As in Church, there is a novelty, a social pull the same as any Twelve Step Group or going naked.

    Many are going to Hell because they simply do not believe for themselves The Word or do not truly know The Word. Yes, we could accomplish much more if we didn’t think things were impossible. All Things Are Possible in Christ Jesus. Ask God! Ask for His instructions personally! Join the Romans 8 Church today.
    There is a fight to Salvation: No matter how I feel, I will step up, remain standing, stay my run in Christ Jesus …by “It is Finished” ….by the Blood, by God Covenant. I am very proud of my Brothers and Sisters in Christ. I love my Father, my Husband – my King and my Family. I pray for Peace and I pray that my today’s brothers and sister will not be outwitted and that I not outwit myself. I ask God to make my worthy today! Praise God for His Power by His Spirit. I ask for all of God by His Word, by the Blood Covenant, by His Grace, by His faith, by His Pleasure, by His Spirit.

  151. Jordan Shepherd Jun 8th 2013

    Some comments above appear to be questioning the loss of the Gospel and affirming an individual ownership of the ‘true’ Gospel. I think the context Andrew is establishing is that of the Church and not necessarily individuals standing apart from the Church. I believe the gospel has been neglected, distorted, watered down, misrepresented, hijacked, abused and falsified. If this is the case, which I think it is, then surely, by definition, that which once was, which is not now (the gospel), has been lost. Andrew’s key statement is:

    “No wonder today’s church is lukewarm! The gospel is the building block upon which everything else is built. Without it we have nothing – literally nothing. It affects all that we do and all that we are. To lose it is simply the worst disaster imaginable. So how on earth can we get it back?”

    Look at the reference to ‘building block’ above. This paragraph appears to be saying that the gospel has a direct impact on how we live. Our actions, our thoughts and our understanding on who we are positionally in relation to God, governs our responses and affects our life purpose. It’s no wonder the gospel is the building block upon which everything is built. It will represent in action that which is not heard through words.

    How do we get the gospel back? A good starting point would be for us to repent of our sin of presumption for attempting to enact the gospel through a range of initiatives that had no origin or basis in God. Such initiatives may have brought numbers of people to Church, but failed to comply with God’s desire, as expressed in Ephesians 1 – … that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, that you may know the hope of your calling, the riches of the inheritance of the saints and the exceeding greatness of your power toward us who believe … It took an apostle to identify that. Are we praying that our gospel preachers boldly make known the gospel?

    We ought to pray as much for the labourers in the harvest field as for those we pray that they may be saved.

    As I left for work yesterday morning, I reminded my children; do not be ashamed of the gospel “… love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you and pray for those who insult and persecute you…”

    It makes sense that the Saviour’s unconditional love and sacrificial death which purchased our redemption continues to be a reality not through a one time lip service to repent and believe, but an ongoing transformation as we “put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.”

    While such repentance may not be ‘deep’ as posted earlier in the discussion, it would at the least, be genuine repentance, as opposed to worldly sorrow.

  152. Doug P. Jun 8th 2013

    Yes ,you lost it alright…Ever wonder where it went and WHAT made it leave??

  153. Doug P. Jun 8th 2013
  154. Doug P. Jun 8th 2013

    Im axiously awaiting any comment s to my posts!!

  155. Robert Jun 8th 2013

    Andrew , you stated about leaders and anointed that makes the difference, not the structures.

    I agree.

    BUT look what it says in the bible, about leadership, the elders etc.etc.

    God expects that of leaders today also. I think everyone that calls themselves a leader or “anointed” or even a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, must willingly look in their own mirror and make sure what they are seeing is something that our Lord, Jesus Christ will approve of.

    Too many so called pastors, and leaders and so called anointed ones are not humble enough to even ask for forgiveness to their own families , friends, in fellowship or out of past fellowships and churches. YET, they want to talk about how holy they are and how so anointed they are and how much they love the Lord and how they can preach and teach others to be submissive but they can’t even take the Logs out of their own eyes.!!! — UMMM? we all know lots of folks like this , I am sure!

    Bottom line, humble thyself unto the Lord and HE will DECIDE when, where, how and whom one shall minister to as the Holy Spirit leads the way. Man is not to lead the way. Man is to be submissive and ready as the Lord leads the way , in church, out of church, in a dessert, or where ever!!— We are SERVANTS unto the Lord and we are to always humble ourselves and not demand or boast . That is “self” /flesh/ and not of the Lord. Our bodies are HIS TEMPLE.

  156. I think we see so much abuse in the area of leadership that the default pattern is to adopt a “scatter the sheep” mentality believing that that will somehow protect us from abuse…

    But it won’t…

    The true response – and the hardest – to when we see abuse occurring in leadership is to “come underneath” and intercede for that leader to be shown what we have been shown in the Lord…

    If we see that we can see it and they can’t then we are automatically responsible to seek the Lord as to what He would like us to do about that…

    We can’t “do nothing” or “run away”…

    That is “scattering the sheep”…

    We can’t “pontificate” from our “high horse” about “how bad” things are if we are not willing to do something practical – intercession – about it…

    That – the pontificating – is the cancer which I’ve been talking about…

    Cancer to the Body of Christ…

    That is not love…

    And it doesn’t restore…

    Only intercession and placing ourselves in “the lowest Place” restores…

    This gives us the keys to know what to practically do – after intercession – about the problem – the keys to the solution…

    Excuses are pointless…

    Bite the bullet…

    God is looking for solutions not excuses…

    He has made it clear that He wants us all to be One in His Church – in His Church not in the “false church” (the synagogue of Satan)…

    The Holy Spirit shows us the difference between the two…

    Groups who are meeting together “unto Him” and groups who are not meeting together “unto Him”…

    Look at the Corinthian Church – a number of contributors to this blog would have left the Corinthian Church already by now and would be denouncing it from their blogs (or what have you) but what do we see the Apostle Paul doing?

    Carrying them in his heart…

    Lifting them up before the Throne (taking “the lowest Place”)…

    Seeking wisdom from God as to what the solution is…

    And He wrote two beautiful solution letters to them which sorted out their problems and also gave us an example for how to handle our problems today…

    Love to you all,


  157. Roger (NZ) Jun 8th 2013

    AJH – you speak of seeking wisdom from God..? – I say Yes 🙂

    You say that the Holy Spirit will show the difference (give discernment) between the false (babylon) and the true (His ekklesia)..? – I say Amen

    Does God ever tell someone to ‘run away’..? – No, He says come to me, listen, hear my voice, do as I tell you.

    Prayer..? – Definitely..!

    Asking God “What would He have us do today…?” – Yes

    Listening for the answer and then being obedient..? – Amen

    Encouraging those (who have been scattered) to follow Lord Jesus..? – Yes

    Believing that Almighty God has everything in control..? – Yes

    Praying that His Will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven..? – Yes

    Looking to Lord Jesus as the Head of His Body..? – Yes

    Coming together in unity of the Holy Spirit, discerning those who are raised up by God, looking for those who speak His truth, and walk in His power and authority..? – Yes, Yes and Yes.

    However – we must never repent of our repentance to Almighty God.

  158. Lightning Storm Jun 8th 2013

    Those who have been wounded by a “christian” or a “congregation” PROJECT their own experiences onto other people. Their WOUNDS DICTATE their thoughts, opinions, and feelings (which all originate in the carnal soul).

    These wounds are stumbling blocks to the one who is wounded and to other people the wounded person has contact with.


    So why do wounded “christians” walk around as stumbling blocks to themselves and to others when the HEALER IS AVAILABLE TO HEAL IMMEDIATELY????

    If you don’t know the PROCESS that Jesus uses to heal the WOUNDS OF THE HEART, then ASK HIM TO TEACH IT TO YOU.

    If you don’t know the PROCESS that Jesus uses to protect you from being wounded, then ASK HIM TO TEACH IT TO YOU.

  159. Averyl Jun 8th 2013

    Robert, DougT, Claudia, alphafaith, – AMEN!

    Tyrone Palmer, – Amen & Amen. The Gospel of the Kingdom!

    Lightning, – I got the impression from your post about the Pope that you are sympathetic with the Roman Catholic church?

  160. Lightning Storm Jun 8th 2013

    I am sympathetic with ALL who are lost.

    I was just encouraged by the words that the Pope was using. A REFORMATION could be starting and many who are biased will miss it….just like many times before in the history of the world.

  161. Averyl Jun 8th 2013


    Intolerant? Careful? Not wanting to be deceived is more like it.

    Reformations are happening, not just in the RC church but also the NAR, – New Apostolic Reformation. Both are headed towards God’s Kingdom being established on earth without any end-time events preceding, – like the Great Tribulation, God;s wrath, & the so-called rapture.
    Beware that you are not deceived into thinking that the rule of anti-Christ is the Kingdom Of Christ!
    The Gospels are the good news of this Kingdom & all we need to know about it, both in parables & clear teaching.

    We must constantly refresh ourselves on these truths, or loose it we will!

  162. Lightning Storm Jun 8th 2013

    My dear Averyl…..REFORMATION does NOT mean REVIVAL or REPENTANCE.

    Reformation must come before repentance and revival.

  163. Lightning Storm Jun 8th 2013

    Actually, REFORMATION is what is being talked about in this particular blog.

    The teachings, preachings, and belief system of the organizations that call themselves “church” NEED REFORMING.

  164. Andrew Jun 9th 2013

    Andrew J – I do not share your view that it is a good idea to come “under” abusive leadership – for any reason. There are still good-hearted shepherds around and anointed leaders. Find a group like that.


    Andrew Strom

  165. I see the Babylonian church being destroyed, not reformed, the instruction is to come out of her my people that you do not partake of her sins, she sins against God and man..God loves individuals not the organizations of man, they tend only to slavery and death.
    Pr Michael

  166. Averyl Jun 9th 2013

    Lightning, – I did not say that reformation means revival or repentance, and this topic is on restoration, not reformation.

  167. Indeed there are good – Jesus built churches around, and you can find them. If this is not true then God is found a liar.
    Also Ezekiel 34 11 declares “For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out…………….” Ezekiel continues on and finishes with “And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.”

    A powerful prophetic declaration!
    His Church under one Head !

    Pr Michael

  168. Susan Jun 9th 2013

    Wow. No kidding, Andrew. I cannot believe how many posts you are getting a day. I found you by spoofing a hacker in a Google search telling him I was going to pray for him and that a time will come when he wonders why, and he will then remember my words, that my God reigns. Please pray that in agreement with me. He has hacked me for two years now, and he gets into all my accounts. His name is Steve Smith and he has despicable things he has picture pushed toward me. Animal death, skinning, and pornography. I need witnesses in the Lord to agree with me that the Lord will send him far away from me. Our Lord, he is one. In JESUS name, I pray. Amen.

  169. Roger (NZ) Jun 9th 2013

    Andrew (Strom) – I realise that I hadn’t replied to your earlier post to me..? My apologies:

    I too am all for temporary ‘wilderness’ experience – during my time there it was indeed a time of God, satan and me, a time of learning, preparation, testing, refining – ill health and some healing. A stripping of traditions, false teaching, idols, and much of self.

    Then, some 3 years later, came the understanding of what God desired me to do next, which once again involved people, but on His terms not mine. I was free to choose to remain ‘alone’, or to follow where He led.

    I have spoken to others since then, (one of whom was the man I quoted) and although MOST remain outside of a structured, denominational, environment, none see that they are still in a ‘wilderness’ – they are busy, being used of God.

    I wonder whether there is some confusion here with the use of the term ‘wilderness’, and applying it to all those who are OOC ..?

    I believe that when God leads (calls) us through a personal ‘wilderness’ (or training) – it is because He has something more for us to do with Him. He desires us to have that personal relationship with Him, so that we will more clearly hear Him when He speaks to us, and we will (hopefully) have learnt to be obedient to His leading.

    Some of Israel, wanted to return to Egypt – disliking the discipline of the wilderness, they failed to see that God was teaching them to depend on Him. I believe we may experience the same ‘desires’, to return to the comfort and feeding that we were used to in a structured environment.

    I understand exactly what you are saying about this ‘OOC’ move not being described in the N.T. – yet what we read in Acts is basically a history of events, recorded after the N.T. Churches were established.

    We are still under that New Covenant that Lord Jesus established, He is God, and may do anything that He desires to fulfill His purposes, His plan for the renewal, and correction, of His creation. Scripture foretells that this will happen – but does not give the exact details of how, only an overview.

    I will look to ‘elders’ who are raised up by Him, and who walk in and by His leading – the indwelling Holy Spirit in me (Spirit of truth) will confirm who these ones are – and are not. I have met, and been guided by, a number of these ones, during my walk with Lord Jesus – both before and after my ‘calling out’.

    Lastly, with reference to ‘OOC’, you say: “..I observed and I participated. And concluded in the end that it was anti-biblical, prideful, and breeding deception. But it sure “sounded” good. Pity that it has no resemblance in ANY WAY to the New Testament..’

    Andrew, my dear brother in Christ Jesus – I look at most of the structured, denominational churches of today, and could say exactly those same words. Which is why I can empathise with your topic that it is those establishments of man (infiltrated by satan) who have lost the true Gospel of Christ Jesus our crucified, risen and living, Lord, – and teach another gospel about another jesus who promotes ‘self’.

    In His love, and peace,

  170. Roger “I will look to ‘elders’ who are raised up by Him, and who walk in and by His leading – the indwelling Holy Spirit in me (Spirit of truth) will confirm who these ones are ”
    This is true, as everything i now have in Christ i owe to Him who sent a spirit filled man to me with a message, and followed with peers in the church who pointed me to the glimmer of a light at the end of a narrow road. That light has shined brighter and brighter everyday since.
    I know that when i reach that light, there is perfection. Every person in Christ is therefore in metamorphosis re-formation process.
    Pr Michael

  171. greetings andrew J
    There is a BIG difference between the CORINTHIAN CHURCH
    and these of today.
    WHILE both had sinners …….
    IF one aint teaching true doctrine, i have no business in that church. LEST it be to warn and rebuke and correct etc.
    Andrew J, while you are RIGHT ON about the NEED of ministry
    and RIGHT on about the FIVE FOLD MINISTRY.
    WE gotta be it and find it……..
    in any church we will see people make mistakes, etc
    ITS when men who lead it , dont correct
    and teach false doctrines themselves, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
    GOOD news
    LORD willing i will get to meet with two others on sunday.
    I PRAY and HOPE we move on from there.
    WHERE TWO or MORE are gathered, there HE IS in the midst.
    and then i pray and hope we go out and witness unto others.
    Andrew put my mind at ease for you.
    I asked a question the other day about the shack
    Tis of satan, you would agree……
    The only reason i worry for you, is because of how
    you used narnia and other examples.
    THAT aint right,
    I aint beating you up about it…………..BUT if
    you want anyone to teach wholesome words of CHRIST
    no witch, warlock etc………..should have ANY PART IN IT.
    THAT is of satan, very deceptive, and is harming the children MASSIVELY. they see witches asgood, wizards as good. they are being taught from these MOVIES that there are such things as GOOD withes, and bad witches, good wizards and bad wizards.
    THERE IS NO SUCH THING as any witch being good. THOSE movies are dangerous, have new age in them and of satan.
    AINT NO SUCH THING. just begin afresh and burn it all.

  172. CHARITY covers the multitude of sins.
    charity dont rejoice in iniquity……………ONLY IN TRUTH.
    so when men say LOVE etc…………..and they vesion accepts sin
    without repentacne…………..TIS OF SATAN.
    when they accept covetousness…………………and no repentance of it……………TIS OF SATAN.
    SATAN has a version of love and many are falling under this new age love spell.
    LOVE fullfills the law………….it dont accept sin without repentacne.
    lest they be repenting. THAT IS A FACT.
    andrew………….speaking of deacons, elders
    bishops, teachers, apostles
    HOW COME today WE DONT FOCUS on being GRAVE
    ponder that a bit. WHERE aer the GRAVE ONES………..
    WHERE are the men warning to behold both the GOODNESS and SEVERITY OF GOD.
    TILL a man is fully seasoned ONLY IN TRUTH, BIBLE DOCTRINE and TESTED.
    HE OUGHT NOT TEACH . amen.

  173. TIME to come to ONLY BIBLE TRUTH.
    i have long grown weary of opinions of men
    who hold to wisdom of this world and try mixing it in with some truth. THIS aint saving none.
    I know i need all yalls prayers, and the supply o the spirit.
    ON THIS i have nO doubts.
    the BIBLE. the prophets, aposltes and what JESUS SAID.
    all else………………is failing massively.
    i pray for us all.
    ANDREW……………do pray for me and the other two tomorrow
    shane and gary. PRAY GOD fills us and we do as we ought do.

  174. NOW its time for some more encouraging PRAISES unto the LORD.
    Who wants to join me in song……….
    I say we should all sing unto the LORD
    and be ever thankful unto our GOD.
    So sing aloud with me saints………………
    O wonderful LORD, you have given me hope
    your word is my lamp, thy truth my light
    all else falls short, and is but mans dope
    but your word O lord, your word i keep in my sight
    Your word O lord, it brings me JOY
    your promises LORD……….i ponder in heart
    your WORD is the only word good for this boy
    I hear none else, all else must depart.
    TO GOD be the GLORY to GOD be the praise
    HE IS our hope all of our days
    HIS light will guide us , through the darkest of night
    IF we keep in HIM , we shall never lose sight
    sing with me lambs , sing with me peoples
    we our his body his church his steeple
    SING with me lambs, for we have greatest of HOPE
    SO lift up thy hands, no need to mope
    SING LAMBS, sing unto the LORD.
    AMEN and amen. TO GOD be all GLORY

  175. Addressing Andrew Strom’s response to Roger NZ re the ‘bride’ existing outside the structured religious system!

    Ths was on a Andrew Strom website :
    -Vision by Wayne Thomas. 1993

    Basically, it was a traditional wedding scene. The radiantly beautiful Bride had just stepped out of the Cathedral and was standing on the top step, just outside. Wayne was told that the Bride was LEAVING ‘CHRISTENDOM’ (AND ALL THAT GOES WITH IT) FOREVER, leaving the ‘church’ system behind. The Groom (who was Jesus) took her arm, so that He could lead her down and proudly display His beautiful Bride to all the world.

    Still inside the Cathedral were all the relatives (-the various
    ‘streams’ and denominations of the church as we know it?)
    Suddenly, while the Bride was still on the top step, an invisible
    hand gave her a beautiful lily (which had been plucked out by the
    roots). This was her bridal ‘bouquet’ (an “end-time” enduement?)
    and for some reason it seemed to be given to her rather late. She
    threw this bouquet backwards, and some of her relatives in the church, who had been watching her with great jealousy and awe, made a grab for the bouquet. Two of them seemed to snatch it up, but there was a lot of squabbling and pushing amongst them – fighting to be somehow near the Bride or to grab the bouquet. The Groom then led His Bride down the steps and through the huge crowd of cheering people below, who had been unable to get into the Cathedral.

    In a later vision, Wayne was shown that after they had made their
    way through this huge throng, the happy couple were then taken away on their honeymoon, which was to last for a thousand years.


    At this point “outer darkness” is observed as a destination for those Israelites who have rejected Christ, as well as those Christians who are judged as those not possessing the proper attire, i.e., a wedding garment, which is the “righteous acts of the saints” (Revelation 19:8).
    In regards to this parable of the wedding feast, Gary T. Whipple in his book, The Matthew Mysteries, adds the following:
    The King came in and “. . . saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment” (v. 11), to whom He inquired, “Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment” (v. 12b)? And the man was speechless. “Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    For many are called [saved], but few are chosen [CALLED OUT OF THE CALLED)(vv. 13, 14).

    Mark carefully that these scriptures are not teaching that a lost person came into the wedding feast, BUT A SAVED ONE WHO DID NOT HAVE ON A WEDDING GARMENT a garment that, in the Scriptures, is clearly an emblem of the righteous works (spiritual fruit) of the believer. This should become obvious when the wedding garment is compared with the bride’s garment in Revelation 19:7, 8, which is called the “righteous acts of the saints.” Righteous acts cannot be produced by anyone other than Christ Himself as He lives through the yielded life of the Christian.

    The wedding garment is not the garment of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, which is put on every believer by God at the moment he believes, NOTE … but a garment that is produced by the continuing faith of the believer after he is saved; a garment that represents all the spiritual fruit produced by Christ through the believer who is yielded to the leadership of the Holy Spirit in obedience to the Word of God.

    How could this man represent the lost, when our parable shows him to be raptured and present at the wedding feast in heaven? The minute teaching of the parable itself reveals that the man accepted (through faith) the invitation to come (salvation) to the wedding. However, after he was raptured, he discovered from the King who came into the wedding feast (the judgment seat of Christ) that he had to bring his own wedding garment (righteous works after salvation). He apparently never prepared a garment for himself; and, as a result, was cast out of the heavenly wedding feast into the darkness outside, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Summarily, the man of our parable represents all the “called,” i.e. the saved, of the Church period who will fail to surrender the control of their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ in obedience to the Word of God; and, as a result, will be cast into outer darkness for one thousand years. The other invited guests, who each had a wedding garment, represent all the “chosen,” i.e. those called-out of the saved, who, in this life, yielded their lives to the Lordship of Jesus Christ in obedience to the Word of God, produced fruit through their surrendered lives and, as a result, will be counted as the wedding guests at the marriage of the Lamb and will enter the kingdom in some capacity of rulership. For “. . . many are called, but few are chosen” (v. 14).

    It should be noted that the invited guest in this parable who are able to produce a wedding garment will in fact become the “bride of Christ,” as seen in Revelation chapter nineteen. This will be the antitype of the type, Adam and his bride. Adam who was a type of Christ (Romans 5:14) received his bride, which was taken from his body (Genesis 2:21, 22).

  176. Averyl Jun 9th 2013

    AM, – Thanks so much for taking the time to share that with us!

    Have just finished reading Andrew Strom’s book onsite, -The Coming Great Reformation”, especially the chapter – “Reformation-A New Wineskin”.

    Something seems to have changed!?

  177. be blessed all lambs , let us praise the LORD.

  178. Andrew Jun 9th 2013

    Nothing has changed, Averyl.

    But we have to hunger after true ‘Body’ to obtain true ‘Body’.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  179. Hi Andrew,

    Jesus submitted under abusive authority – He submitted to Pilate and He submitted to the soldiers who whipped and beat Him – Stephen submitted to abusive authority – he submitted to the stones which crushed his life out of him – Paul submitted to abusive authority and remained in chains for the later part of his life and was then beheaded – none of these, Jesus, Stephen or Paul “ran away” from abusive authority…

    I’ve had experiences with abusive authority and I’ve “run away”, I’ve also had experiences with abusive authority where I’ve been “spewed out” by that abusive authority because it did not want my presence in that congregation…

    The local congregation I’m now a part of does not have abusive authority but I am “coming underneath” to support them in the areas which the Lord shows me are not yet perfect…

    There’s a difference between being “not yet perfect” and what I believe you are defining as “abusive”, i.e. control and manipulation…

    I’m never suggesting that anyone should bow to the spirits of control and manipulation but even Paul said after speaking a “harsh” word against the High Priest at his trial that he was sorry because he didn’t know that he was the High Priest and quoted, “You shall not speak evil of a ruler of your people”…

    Now that High Priest was in an office of authority which God had ordained but wasn’t using it very well (other spirits were most likely controlling him) – but it was still an office of authority which God had ordained – and so Paul, when he was made aware that he was the High Priest, apologised…

    Ester submitted under an abusive authority and made an appeal for her life and the lives of her people…

    Sarah submitted under an abusive authority, Abraham, who lied about her being his wife twice and nearly got her into big trouble but Peter highly praises Sarah for submitting to her “abusive” authority Abraham and calling him “lord” by encouraging all women everywhere to so do with their husbands, “without being afraid by any fear”…

    I’ve learnt that if the Lord asks me to submit then I can submit – to anyone – as long as He’s asked me to and as long as I have His Peace – no matter how they treat me cos ultimately they’re under the Lord’s control as far as I’m concerned cos I’m trusting Him…

    Love you,


  180. Hi Randall,

    I made a post to both you and GaryB a few threads back offering to never again mention C. S. Lewis’ writings on this blog if they offended your consciences (as I sensed they did)…

    Thus I have desisted from mentioning C. S. Lewis’ writings since that time (and will continue to desist as I can still see that they offend your consciences)…

    I have never read the Shack and I have no interest in reading it…

    Have you got any other concerns over me brother?

    Maybe watching the following will help you to see my heart…


    Love you, Hope your fellowship meeting goes well, I will pray for you as the Lord leads… 🙂


  181. Marilyn Crow Jun 9th 2013

    I do find it strange that people think that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Body has a gender problem.

    A male head & a female body!

    Let`s think a bit more clearly & read God`s word more clearly.
    Probably get stoned for that comment.


  182. Marilyn Crow Jun 9th 2013

    My husband Trevor said, `How can people believe such dribble?`
    Referring to the prophecy above about the so called `Wedding.`

    AM & the Wedding feast. (Matt. 22: 11)

    This is a parable spoken by Jesus reminding Israel of the rule of heaven on the earth where they would rule under God, over the nations. The `wedding,` picture is symbolic of God `joining,` (meaning of wedding/wife/bride) with His people Israel in blessing & protection.

    Re – the person without the wedding garment.

    How could a person get into heaven without salvation through Christ`s blood? Thus it is an earthly picture of people still alive after the tribulation going into the millennium. However this particular person was not dressed in `wedding clothes.` Meaning he had not looked after Christ`s brethren. (Matt. 25: 40)

    `Truely I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine…` (Jewish brothers)

    `For many are called & few are chosen.` (Matt. 22: 14)

    Jesus said these words to Israel. They were called of God, (Rom. 11: 28) meaning invited to the millenium rule of God but few are
    able to go in, because of their hard hearts.

    It is important to read scripture looking at `Who is talking to whom.` (The Body of Christ, Israel or the Nations.) We are not the centre of the Bible. God has other purposes also.

    The good news for us is that Christ died & was resurrected & has given us new life in Him. Let us not exchange or belittle that with
    having to `get our own wedding garment,` or by just `visiting people in prison,` etc which anyone can do.

    Don`t muddy the clear, pure water of the good news of Christ.


  183. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013

    AM…..thank you for posting that dream and the CLEAR explanation of those verses.

    Those verses were taught along those lines up until about a hundred years ago.
    Then of course the “left behind” books in the 1970’s- 1980’s buried it completely.

  184. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013

    Mat 8:12 KJV
    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Mat 22:13 KJV
    Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Mat 25:30 KJV
    And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Each of these parables speaks to those who belong to the Kingdom of God.

  185. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013

    Dear Marilyn

    If we were to divide the books of the bible according to who God was talking to, then the Ten Commandments would not apply to those who are not of Hebrew blood.

    Actually, the majority of the bible would not apply to us…we would be left with a pamphlet.

  186. Lynn 1 Jun 9th 2013

    Lightning Storm
    It is the scriptures not the books, David spoke of Jesus as does Isaiah -in the Old Testiment and Pauls speaks of both Jew and Gentile in Romans 11 and Jesus speaks to the church then and throughout the wwhole church age in Revelation 2 and 3 Zechariah speaks of both Jew and Gentile in Zechariah 4, and Jesus in Revelation 7 speaks of the natural Jews, a Remnant from the twelve tribes of Isareal.

    I hope you can see just how important it is to identify who the author or person is speaking of or two.
    Blessings, Lynn 1

  187. Lightning Storm

    May I kindly point out that in the context of those scriptures in Matt, the kingdom being spoken of is an earthly kingdom, Israel’s inheritance in the end. We the Church will inherit a heavenly kingdom.

    The Ten Commandments were part of the Mosaic Law and the Law was giving to Israel alone BUT! Paul covers Nine of the Ten Commandments in his Epistles. He didn’t cover # 4, keeping the Sabbath. Paul didn’t give a direct command to keep the Sabbath.

    All scriptures are FOR us (2 Tim 3:16) but not all scriptures are TO us. The Old Testament is very rich in promises and in types and shadows of what was to come later. A lot can be learned from the OT types/shadows to understand the fulfilment in the NT and fulfilments yet to come.

    I wouldn’t see the epistles of Paul to the Church as a mere pamphlet as they are heavily condensed and it takes a lot of digging/study to get correct understanding.



  188. The unprofitable servant, now that should be a post on this site! How many of us a pressing on towards maturity and holiness? Using the talents that the Lord Jesus gave us?

    Woe unto us if we neglect such a great salvation!

    Hebrews 2:1-4

    “Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?”

  189. GaryB Jun 9th 2013

    You always imply things to people that are not true and try to say people are saying things that they have not said or either you confuse the matter in your understanding, and this is what you think they are saying. (I hope that’s understandable).

    I have never been offended in my conscience over C.S.Lewis, I have quite a number of his books and I am presently reading three of his volumes in one book.

    The problem I was talking about was Hollywood, Disneyland and their bringing the occult into Christian circles. When you have witches, magic lions, half human and half animal mythical creatures with Christians running around trying to say this magic lion is a type of Christ, something is wrong.

    That is an abomination. That is not my Jesus nor is this magical lion a type of Christ. Those books are not allegories as well, and if you pay attention they have a whole new creation account taking place.

    The whole series of books starts out with magic rings, magical trees etc. etc.. They build up the reader to believe that this new magical land is somehow Christian. This old antigue cabinet is built from this magic tree that is the doorway to this other world full of the occult and magic.

    Witchcraft and sorcery is an abomination to the Lord all through the scriptures.

    This is another area where we have lost the gospel, while we are ready to believe that somehow this occult movie is christian in nature and make excuses why we watch it.

    What I was trying to share was, if the occult is an abomination all through scriptures is it somehow now “Okay” because its a Disney picture?

    Think about it..

    Is God going to bless us with His power if were watching things that He has said is an abomination to Him.

    It all seems so innocent doesn’t it, it reminds me of the time we read in Gen., you will not surely die if you eat of this tree.

    Who is behind the occult? Christianity and the occult were never meant to be compatible.

    Lord Bless,

  190. The Lord gave me a vision a few years back, and in this vision I saw many people coming out of ‘church buildings’ and the Holy Spirit was poured out upon them!

    Acts 2:17-18

    “And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.”

    Notice very closely the phrase “And it shall come to pass in the last DAYS, not just ONE DAY, as in the day of Pentecost. And we see the truth of this prophecy continuing to be fulfilled through the multiple TRUE revivals and outpourings of the Spirit of God on His people, like the Welsh revival, and Azusa street. Not to mention the countless individual believers who have been baptized in water and filled with the Spirit of God over the decades.

  191. jda016 Jun 9th 2013

    Dear AJH,

    I read your post about submission and coming under authority. However, I see a distinction between civil authority and church authority. We are to honor civil and governmental authority, but I also think of Paul’s words on how we are to judge those within the church (1 Cor 5:12). If a leader is in gross sin, and “abusing” the flock, then we are to expose the deeds of darkness. Just because he is a leader, does not mean he is not accountable. Of course we should pray for them, but I don’t think we are to “cover” over their sins and keep them out of the light.

    I clearly understand that we are to support and help leaders and follow them even if we don’t always agree with every decision they make. However, if gross sin is exposed, and it should be, then that leader is to be corrected and disciplined. If he refuses to repent, then he should no longer be leader.



  192. Gary you are absolutely correct.
    It does seem to be innocent in nature.
    But in the sight of GOD is abomination.
    I judge no man here. But by all means we must warn.
    Satan is decieving the world by showing them
    that there is GOOD inall things. YET GOD has told us
    what he APPROVES of and what is abomination.
    and LET no man add to nor take from HIS holy word
    and HIS understanding , given to us for our own profit.
    GOD knows all, HE knows what isfor our GOOD
    for our profit, far better than any of us knows.
    THUS we must learn of HIM.
    never through the lens of men, but GOD alone.
    HIS TRUTH is absolute.
    and what he has called evil………………is EVIL
    no matter how good man or men try to portray it.
    no matter how a man tries to win a soul
    if he went about it in a manner that GOD has called evil
    with creatures, witches, etc………..THEN IT IS EVIL.
    THIS we must all TRULY UNDERSTAND.
    I dont want andrew to think he is being attacked.
    Its only a warning out of Love for his own good.
    We can move forward as a group of believers.
    But we must be on gaurd and be here to warn and to encourage
    through all times. Be blessed all lambs of the LORD.
    I love you all, and only desire good for all. amen.

  193. O to the LORD be the glory, to our GOD be much praise.
    HE is worthy of all thanksgiving.
    Let us raise hands unto HIm and encourage one another daily.
    The Lord desires not a one to perish, but that the evil simply
    repent of his evil and Come to Christ.
    Knowing this brings peace. Knowing that GOD is for us
    brings peace. We too must understand that we live in evil flesh
    and thus must constantly be reminded by doctrine, by word
    to also keep this evil crucified . bring even all thoughts captive to the obedaince of CHRIST. and THE SPIRIT will teach us.
    we must heed the SPIRIT and read the holy doctrine as well.
    as the prophets warned, as Christ warned, as the aposltes warned. All things were written aforetime for our ADMONITION
    our learning, our ensamples. all this is for our GOOD.
    thus may all begin to read again more and more the true pure holy words of the prophets of old, of Christ, of the apostles
    which spoke all, and warned men, by exhorting .
    all for our welfare. WE must stand firm in TRUTH.
    thus read and read feverently, taking HOPE in our LORD
    in his promises, in the holy scrips.
    ARISE LAMBS……………………………and be YE holy for GOD is HOLY. and all things HE will work together for our good, for those who believe in HIM, who diligently seek Him.
    THROUGH all times HE is our HOPE.
    and will do as we need done unto us. NOT as we think
    BUT as HE KNOWS what is best for us.
    SO never grumble…………….ONLY REJOICE in the LORD.

  194. fabakary Jun 9th 2013

    Only in eternity will we know how much our unbelief or our neglect of resting in Christ , have cripple and limit our spiritual capability. If you go to preach the gospel to sinners with the mindset that , that only a tiny few are bound to accept the gospel in this days, you have already failed. That is unbelief, and a gospel that is not preach in faith will produce it own works , that is “let not the man that doubteth think he will receive anything from God”. As we need faith to be saved , so do we need faith to preach the gospel , to see others save. No faith , no hope. Paul say “we believe and therefore speak “ . the gospel must be share in Faith and expectation if we are to see fruits not in unbelief.
    We have so much unbelief that is why we are either blaming God saying something like “it must be his will, that is why things are so bad like this ”, the devil, or other men for the negative states of things. This create mindset of unbelief and limit us so We accept things in ease ,without conviction, contriteness of those chistlike attitudes with us. We must start in faith and end in faith. If you believe sin , divisions, hate , must be the order of the day, in your environment, then you are openings it power over your individual life. Without Faith , we cannot be in Christ rest, and if we are not in Christ rest, then we are bound to be defeated by the enemy daily. We remain defeated because we do not believe in Victory in the first place. In the scripture “the elect “ are those that are suppose to shorten the negative reign of evils in the endtime, but concerning the elect the lord said “ when the son of man cometh shall he find faith on earth? “ .It is like saying “will the elect have the faith for greater things, victory etc ? “ . May the lord free us all from every mindset that is limiting us in any sense. To do everthing in Faith, believing is the path to victory.

  195. watchful Jun 9th 2013

    I have to say, that I do believe the word of God is meant to be spiritually discerned….and that as far as I understand it there can be more than one layer of understanding and truth. For example, the plain and simple promises made to Israel, I believe God will fulfill……however, to the church in this age those same promises carry a deeper meaning….they were written for our ensample. “One thing you have said, two things have I heard…” There is also the aspect of the scriptures being a living word. The bottom line is that we can never dispense with the help of the Holy Spirit in discerning and understanding it. Hopefully we all agree with that. 🙂

  196. watchful Jun 9th 2013

    Well, here it seems people are looking for the new testament church and some are concerned about staying outside the camp for too long. I don’t think we need to worry about that though because the new testament church itself existed outside the camp and still does. And of course, so did the prophets of old.

    Hbr 13:10 We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat.

    Hbr 13:11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp.

    Hbr 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

    Hbr 13:13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore.

    Hbr 13:14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.

  197. watchful Jun 9th 2013

    Just a little word to the wise concerning the Catholic church….a couple of years ago or so I read a newspaper article talking about the Catholic church wanting to find a way to re-integrate protestant Christianity into it’s embrace, and that they had begun by allowing Anglicans to rejoin the Catholic church while at the same time retaining their Anglican identity……….so while hoping for the best, I would like to watch and wait to see what transpires from a safe distance, remembering that our problem is not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities….

  198. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013

    Lynn….the bible consists of 66 Books written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years.

    Definition of SCRIPTURE
    a (1) capitalized : the books of the Bible —often used in plural (2) often capitalized : a passage from the Bible
    b : a body of writings considered sacred or authoritative
    : something written

    noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

    Sacred writings of religions, comprising a large portion of the literature of the world. Scriptures vary in form, volume, age, and degree of sacredness. Nearly all scriptures were originally oral and were passed down as memorized texts through several generations before being put in writing. In some religions, notably Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, there is still strong emphasis on the value of reciting or chanting the scriptures aloud. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is the scripture of Judaism; the Bible (Old and New Testaments together) is the scripture of Christianity; and the Qu’ran is the scripture of Islam. Scriptures of Hinduism include the Vedas and Upanishads. See also Adi Granth; Avesta; Book of Mormon; sutra; Tripitaka.

  199. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013


    That’s how you see it, but the previous verses are referring to THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
    See verses below.

    Unless you are trying to tell me we are living in the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN right now……which I’m not buying…..the verses are NOT referring to an earthly kingdom.

    If we are living in Heaven right now, I demand all my tithes and offerings back!

    Mat 8:11 KJV
    And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

    Mat 22:2 KJV
    The KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

    Mat 25:1 KJV
    Then shall the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

  200. Hi Jonathan,

    It’s a minefield, isn’t it? So many eggshells when we start to “unwrap” this topic of authority…

    If a leader in a local congregation – one (a congregation) that God has established – like say the Corinthian Church – is permitting a man in the congregation to sleep with his father’s wife and not doing anything about it then I consider that to be an abuse of authority…

    Did Paul remove any leaders from their positions of authority in the Corinthian Church in coming up with his (the Lord’s) solution? We don’t read of that instead we read of him telling them to lead and get rid of the brother committing this sin – which they did – and in his second letter he was “happier” because the brother had repented and now he encouraged them to welcome him back in…

    True authority is sometimes very “harsh” as we see from Paul’s response in his first letter…

    Sometimes we have to be cruel to be kind…

    This can be misunderstood but this is part of “non-abusive” leadership…

    To “do nothing” can be just as abusive as to do “something” for the wrong reason…

    Paul gave qualifications (in scripture) for leaders – very clear qualifications – and if these are not met then that person shouldn’t be a leader in the local congregation…

    But even if these qualifications are met – as they were in the Apostle Peter – that leader can still slip into becoming an abusive leader – like Peter did when he slipped into hypocrisy and again Paul had to condemn him – non-abusive leadership – to his face…

    I think you see my heart in this – I’m going to the root…

    Love you,


  201. Light Storm

    It is getting late here and I will write tomorrow, Lord willing.

    And btw I am not trying to tell you that we are living in the kingdom of heaven right now. Not sure why you got that idea 🙂

    But we are seated in heavenly places Eph.

    Night and blessings.


  202. Hi GaryB,

    How are you going before the Lord in deciding on which of the six potential local congregations in your area you and your wife should become a part of?

    Are none of these appointed by the Lord in your area?

    Are they all synagogues of Satan?

    If so, has the Lord led you to begin a local congregation in your home?

    If so, do you have the qualifications to lead such a local congregation?

    If so, have you sought the Lord as to how He wants you to commence this?

    If not, are you seeking the Lord personally as to what He needs to do in your life to make you fit to lead such a local congregation?

    If not, are you praying to the Lord to raise someone up who does have the required scriptural qualifications so that you can support them and become a part of what they are leading in your area?

    I think these are questions worth handing up before the Lord brother – giving these questions up before the Lord regarding your situation…

    This is where the rubber hits the road…

    As you submit to ask these questions before the Lord (if you believe that He is wanting you to ask them) I will support you in prayer that you will hear His answers…

    Do we “have a deal” brother? 🙂

    Love you,


  203. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013

    I will wait for your post Ken.

    You were saying that these verses referred to an “earthly kingdom”. I just pointed out that the verses were referring to the Kingdom of Heaven, therefore they are not being applied to an earthly kingdom…..unless you are saying Heaven is on earth before Revelation 21.

  204. Lightning Storm Jun 9th 2013

    Andrew J Horton

    As you can see by the definition of EXOUSIA (shown below), God gives AUTHORITY; EXOUSIA; POWER to THE PERSON…….NOT TO AN OFFICE OR POSITION.

    This is where the ABUSE OF POWER has been found in the “church” organizations. The people are told to SUBMIT AND OBEY the OFFICE/POSITION no matter who is in that office/position.

    When the person who has been given the AUTHORITY AND POWER of GOD leaves the office/position in the congregation……THE AUTHORITY AND POWER of God GOES WITH THE PERSON. It does not stay with the office/position.

    In order for that office/position to have any further AUTHORITY and POWER from God, the position would have to be filled with a person CHOSEN by God Himself who has ALREADY been given God’s AUTHORITY AND POWER to fill the position/office.

    There are many followers of Jesus Christ who have the AUTHORITY AND POWER of God as an Apostle, a Prophet, a Teacher…etc, that are not recognized as such by the congregation. The Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, etc is quietly obeying the instructions of the Holy Spirit with all His authority and power to fulfill the works of the office/position……..without ever having been recognized/named by mankind at all.

    denotes “authority” (from the impersonal verb exesti, “it is lawful”). From the meaning of “leave or permission,” or liberty of doing as one pleases, it passed to that of “the ability or strength with which one is endued,” then to that of the “power of authority,” the right to exercise power, e.g., Mat 9:6; 21:23; 2Cr 10:8; or “the power of rule or government,” the power of one whose will and commands must be obeyed by others, e.g., Mat 28:18; Jhn 17:2; Jud 1:25; Rev 12:10; 17:13; more specifically of apostolic “authority,” 2Cr 10:8; 13:10; the “power” of judicial decision, Jhn 19:10; of “managing domestic affairs,” Mar 13:34. By metonymy, or name-change (the substitution of a suggestive word for the name of the thing meant), it stands for “that which is subject to authority or rule,” Luk 4:6 (RV, “authority,” for the AV “power”); or, as with the English “authority,” “one who possesses authority, a ruler, magistrate,” Rom 13:1-3; Luk 12:11; Tts 3:1; or “a spiritual potentate,” e.g., Eph 3:10; 6:12; Col 1:16; 2:10, 15; 1Pe 3:22. The RV usually translates it “authority.”

    In 1Cr 11:10 it is used of the veil with which a woman is required to cover herself in an assembly or church, as a sign of the Lord’s “authority” over the church.

    EXOUSIA first denotes “freedom to act” and then “authority for the action.” This is first true of God, Act 1:7. It was exercised by the Son of God, as from, and in conjunction with, the Father when the Lord was upon earth, in the days of His flesh, Mat 9:6; Jhn 10:18, as well as in resurrection, Mat 28:18; Jhn 17:2. All others hold their freedom to act from God (though some of them have abused it), whether angels, Eph 1:21, or human potentates, Rom 13:1. Satan offered to delegate his authority over earthly kingdoms to Christ, Luk 4:6, who, though conscious of His “right” to it, refused, awaiting the Divinely appointed time.
    See AUTHORITY, No. 1, and for various synonyms see DOMINION, No. 1, Note.

  205. Kevin Jun 9th 2013

    Andrew JH ,

    You persist in pushing and justifying your words about ” cancer to the body of Christ ”

    Andrew , how is it that the Body of Christ can have cancer or anything for that matter, if the body of Christ is the bride of Christ.

    Is Christ now decided to take a diseased bride ?

    The true Body of Christ is without spot or wrinkle.

    Just because some don’t accept your views does not make them a cancer to the body of Christ .
    Consider the example of the apostle Paul. He was set dead against Lord Jesus Christ and His Body , and look what happened to Paul.

    Our Lord is the one to build His house / Body and nothing will prevail against the plans of our Lord , however when we make our own plans and try and control others to bring about a result , we will always perceive opposition that is somehow hindering or limiting what we are trying to achieve .

    If we are truly in step with a vision and purpose from Lord Jesus Christ , there is no need to push ideas about authority and submission based on our own experiences.

    We will simply wait as Jesus did ,secure in His Fathers plans, waiting until the time He was to be given the power and authority to walk on earth as it is in heaven, so to speak .

    We don’t see examples in the bible of the true servants of Lord Jesus Christ , trying to push their authority over others before they had been empowered and truly sent .

    The Kingdom of God is more than just words and visions and personal prophecy,,,

    ,,,it is about the power to heal the sick , give sight to the blind , set the captives free .

    When people walk in true authority they have the God given ability to bring forth onto earth what exists in heaven just as Paul , and the 72 followers did for example.

    One of the biggest abuses of leadership authority we see today , is people coming with words backed up only by their own visions , demanding that other share their vision and submit to them and their vision.

    Andrew , you need to understand this .

    In His love


  206. Averyl Jun 9th 2013

    Lightning, – The Kingdom of heaven is on earth now, in us, manifest in the fruit of the Spirit.

  207. GaryB Jun 9th 2013


    They have a term they use in college its called, “begging the question”.

    Your putting words in peoples comments that do not exist and your doing it because you do not want to admit anything about this occult issue.

    I have never called any of the churches listed were synagogues of satan. I have said in a number of comments that I believe God has a people in these places that one day will come out. Those who can see and hear.

    You seem to think that these type of churches are fine, even if they do not teach the Bible.

    If your willing to accept a lie and make excuses for it there is nothing I or anyone else can say that will get you to speak the truth or to acknowledge it.

    I am very surprised at your comments, this is what church has done for you. You cannot see the truth so you avoid the issues and try to change the subject.


  208. Marilyn Crow Jun 9th 2013

    The Apostle Paul to the Corinthians, & we can learn from it also.

    `For you endure it if a man assumes control of your souls & makes slaves of you, or devours your substance, spends your money, & preys upon you, or deceives & takes advantage of you, or is arrogant & puts on airs, or strikes you in the face.`

    `To my discredit, I must say, we have shown ourselves too weak for you to show tolerance of us & for us to do strong, courageous things like that to you!`

    (2 Cor. 11: 20 & 21 Amplified.)

    Quite clear. Marilyn.

  209. Kevin,
    I think when someone tries to be hateful with derogatory statements about the anointed of God, we just have to learn to let the Lord deal with it.

    It does no good to share the Word of God with some as many have closed their ears and eyes to the truth that is found in the Bible.

    The Bible says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

    10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    In these last days we have to guard the truth found in God’s word because this is the lamp unto our feet and the light unto our paths.

    Lord Bless,

  210. Markus Jun 10th 2013

    Thank you Andrew for this article. I agree with your message, but I think we need to be a bit careful with words here.
    Gospel means “Good News”. According to the Evangelical Dictionary of Theology edited by Walter Elwell, “the gospel is the joyous proclamation of
    God’s redemptive activity in Christ Jesus on behalf of man enslaved by sin.”
    Our purpose should be the joyous proclamation of God’s redemptive work. It is here were we we fall short in the
    Western world and therefore we have lost the very reason for being and yes this is extremely serious!
    About the true Church, Jesus said: on this rock I will build MY Church. The true Church (Ekklesia) belongs to Jesus and he will not loose it!
    Already 10 year ago I came to the conclusion that I tremble about the judgement of God that is coming because we have moved so far away from our real purpose. In the meantime we had two major earthquakes in Christchurch (NZ)
    and I was in the midst of one of them. The hardest thing for me was that even then I never heard the word
    “repentance”. I now believe that we are moving back into the Dark Ages and this time it will get much darker then ever before. But remember that Jesus is with you always, even to the end of the age. Matth: 28v20. Maybe our Redemption is near. Be strong, blessings !

  211. GaryB I am not pointing at anyone in particular but a general observation.
    Certain ones have closed their eyes and ears to all truth except their own private, personal take of God’s Word – no scripture is of any private interpretation – hence division, and Christ is not divided.
    Such i think are in grave danger of becoming those described in Jude as wandering stars, twice dead .
    It is also, i believe, why OOC is a dangerous place for any to remain in.
    Jude is a sobering book, a warning to us all.
    Pr Michael

  212. Lightning Storm Jun 10th 2013


    Don’t make the same mistake as many do. The KINGDOM OF GOD (the earthly kingdom) AND THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (the heavenly kingdom) ARE 2 SEPARATE KINGDOMS THAT WILL BE JOINED AS 1 AT THE VERY END OF THE AGES.

    Rom 14:17 KJV
    For the KINGDOM OF GOD is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    1Cr 4:20 KJV
    For the KINGDOM OF GOD [is] not in word, but in power.

    Luk 17:20 KJV
    And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the KINGDOM OF GOD should come, he answered them and said, The KINGDOM OF GOD cometh not with observation:

    Luk 17:21 KJV
    Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU.

    Jhn 3:3 KJV
    Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Act 1:3 KJV
    To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

    Act 28:31 KJV
    Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    Jesus Christ, from His Throne on the right hand of the Father, is Ruling the Kingdom of God right now………which is on planet earth WITHIN ALL born again FOLLOWERS. Jesus will turn over the Kingdom of God to the Father at the end of the Ages

    1Cr 15:24 KJV
    Then [cometh] the end, when He shall have delivered up the KINGDOM OF GOD, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    ….at which time the 2 Kingdoms become 1 and the Kingdom of Heaven will fill the whole earth which happens in Rev 21.

    Rev 21:1 KJV
    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    Rev 21:2 KJV
    And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    Rev 21:3 KJV
    And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

    Rev 21:5 KJV
    And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    The Father is Ruling the Kingdom of Heaven right now….in the heavenlies, from His Throne.


    1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it

    a) the universe, the world

    b) the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced

    c) the sidereal or starry heavens

    2) the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings

  213. let the deacons be grave, the bishops, even their wives.
    What many are now coming under is a idea that gravity
    is not of GOD, and sensual is of GOD.
    that warnings are judgmental
    but acceptance is godly.
    That love accepts sin
    That charity seeks to just accept the person
    INCORRECT. we have sensaulity creeping in ,
    and it must be dealt with quick.
    or only worsen it will.

  214. To the contrary GaryB, I have not put words into anyone’s mouth but you have accused me of being into the occult and witchcraft when I am (and have told you this already) clearly not into either… 🙂

    But you don’t want to believe me (which is your God given right)…

    It appears to me that you are not wanting to ask the Lord the questions which I raised in my last comment…

    And that’s between you and the Lord…

    I love you brother,


  215. Lynn 1 Jun 10th 2013

    Gary it seems to me Andrew J was just trying to encourage you and to exort you to seek the Lord and Pray and to evaluate the choices you may have concerning the churches around you, are any biblical or have they all become apostate? in your area? is there any of the remnant who gather together a little further away you can travel a few times a year to join in agape fellowship being in bodily fellowship, if not have you considered a home church perhaps even in your own home are there areas of preparation the Lord would have you consider, etc.
    I felt Andrews questions were valid and perhaps helpful to some here who have no real bodily fellowship to pray and seek the lord about.
    Blessings, Lynn

    We all need to earnestly seek the Lord and pray he provide agape fellowship with his true remnant, sometimes that may require opening our homes for community relationship with his own, even if it is only a handful.

    The Lord wants to move us forward, we many have come out of Babylon, but its time we more forward, it is only then that we are salty and fruitful.

    truly we should all be examining just how trimmed and full our lamps are, we must never lose our witness, or our lamps are dimming, we must always desire to assemble ourselves with Christs true sheep and become the church that the gates of hell cn not prevail against, becoming one with him and each other.

  216. AJH,
    Your not listening to what I am saying.

    I am saying that these shows that promote witches, magical lions, and all the other magic should be a concern for all Christians whether this be of the Lord.

    When God says that witchcraft is an abomination then that should settle it.

    I do not think you are personally trying to seek out the occult for the hidden wisdom. But as Christians we should be aware that this is something that has penetrated the church world and maybe we should all take a look at what is being promoted.

    If the occult is bad then any form of the occult whether it is sanctioned by the church or Hollywood should be under suspicion as to its source.

    As to your question concerning church I am seeking the Lord for direction in my life as to what to do. When our church fell apart it scattered hundreds of people within a hundred mile radius or more. The Lord knows my heart I have cried tears a number of times over what took place.

    As for now I cannot make something happen. We have visited a number of churches and have not been able to find one that is walking in the Word of God and is not into fanaticism. I have also been spending time in intercession and I know the Lord is faithful and will work things out in His time.

    But I am not going to be pressured to make a decision that is not of the Lord and its just flesh wanting to make something happen.

    I cannot imagine you subjecting yourself to something that you could not agree with on a regular basis.

    Anyway Andrew I am not trying to pick on you but I hope you can have enough understanding to see my concerns on this occult thing.

    Not everything in life is a nice neat package. I cannot say everything in one comment here but try to understand with the mind of the Lord.

    Lord Bless,

  217. Marilyn Crow Jun 10th 2013

    Lightning Storm.

    Good to see the 3 distinct realms of the heavens that you mentioned.

    1. Earth & its atmospheric heavens – birds, clouds, thunder, etc

    2. Universe – stars, planets,

    3. 3rd heaven – where God dwells, the seat/throne of His power.

    Each of these realms are yet to have rulership placed in them under the Lordship of Christ.

    3. 3rd heaven. Satan was cast down. However there will be an order of KingPriests set up there. (Dan. 7: 9 Rev. 3: 21) They will rule & reign with Christ over the Universe & the earth.

    2. Universe. Principlalities & Powers. Satan will be cast down from this realm in the tribulation. Later in the New Heavens & New Earth the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven & is set above the earth as it replaces the sun shining upon the earth.

    (note, there is no night there. Rev. 21: 25 but there is `day & night,` on the New Earth. Rev. 21: 23 & 24)

    1. The Earth & atmospheric heavens. This area has yet to be cleansed also & God`s govenment established under Christ. This is the inheritance promised to Israel who will rule over the nations on the earth.

    How wonderful to know that through Christ all these realms will be brought under His authority. Each in their time & with whom the Lord has promised in His word.

    `Let no one defraud you…. of your prize… & not holding fast to the Head ….` (Col. 2: 18)


  218. Marilyn Crow Jun 10th 2013

    Lynn1 & Ken1

    I appreciated both your comments, way back, regarding `Who is speaking to whom.` Good to hear others with clarity & commonsense.


  219. Lynn,

    I did not see your comment, I was writing to AJH.

    We do get together with some from our body and spend time in intercessory prayer. God has abundantly blessed our time with them. Were going to be meeting soon for a time of worship and prayer, and we have invited some who the Lord has been dealing with concerning salvation.

    When I speak of a church I am talking about a place that has five fold ministers that are listening to the Lord. Many in our area are concerned about offerings, numbers, and entertainment.

    Long story I will share bits and pieces as the time arises. But I need to go to sleep for now its late here.

    Lynn in your private time with the Lord I would appreciate it if you would remember to pray for me that God’s perfect will is done in my life. I am seeking God on a number of issues in what direction He would have me take.

    Lord Bless,

  220. Averyl Jun 10th 2013

    Lightning, – This is the first time I’ve heard that God has 2 Kingdoms.

    Matthew 13:11-52 speaks of the Kingdom of heaven as it relates to the Church, the good ground receiving the seed of the Word & bringing forth good fruit.

    Luke 22:18 records Jesus saying, “I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God shall come”. Surely He’s referring to the kingdom of heaven here as it is in future tense.
    Nevertheless, in Luke 17:21 says “The kingdom of God is within/among you”, present tense.

    His kingdom is not of this world.

    I’ve always believed Jesus the Son is God the Father in the flesh, – Is.9: 6-7, – “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be NO end…”

    But you seem to be splitting hairs when you say God the Father rules the kingdom of heaven while Jesus rules the kingdom of God on planet earth.
    Why would you want to do that???

  221. Lynn 1 Jun 10th 2013

    Yes Gary I will pray please continue to press in and seeking Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit, this truly touches the heart of our Lord when we seek his will his purpose for our lives, be encouraged. I think there are some of us here are doing this very thing.
    Bless You, Lynn

  222. Lynn 1 Jun 10th 2013

    Gary you mentioned this:
    and we have invited some who the Lord has been dealing with concerning salvation.

    Praying God pave the way ahead of time, and that here hearts will be soft and they will have ears to hear and a heart to receive, and for their salvation.

  223. Averyl Jun 10th 2013

    Gary & Andrew H, – Give us a rest & STOP your bickering on this subject!

  224. I don’t believe I am bickering Averyl… 🙂

  225. Michael,

    Out of churches are not setting in your love feasts remember they don’t attend these apostate groups that promote heresey.

    12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds;

    This is talking about people setting in church who are serving their own selves. They are carried about by every wind of doctrine and believe what men tell them.

    OOC refuse to attend these feasts because of all the hypocrisy and self serving people. 🙂

    Its easy to take a scripture out of context, but you really should read what it says “in the context” before condemning someone.


  226. AJH,
    I didn’t think we were bickering either. LOLOLOL

    Andrew you have a good week in the Lord.

    Remember, we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.

    Lord Bless,

  227. Averyl………………
    neither one was bickering. THIS must take place.
    The only way ANY of us can come out of any error
    is to explain and warn.
    Gary did a beutiful job on the last writing to andrew
    about the problems with this.
    WE must become LIKE MINDED
    and the only way to do this……………….is to seriously
    and in a loving heart preach truth and do all for the sake of the other. Be blessed.
    I do have some words i hope will encourage you averyl
    its all about PRAISING the LORD in all we do.
    Ave……………………..LIFT those hands up
    and PRAISE THE LORD. And remember you are loved.
    Let us all pray one for the other. And be of GOOD CHEER
    as we SEEK OUT THE LORD……………….
    HE is with HIS OWN. amen.

  228. TO all who LOVE the LORD in sincerity
    BE BLESSED OF THE LORD and may the grace of GOD
    abound in all hearts…………….till we come to the unity of the faith.
    till all mature and no longer be swept away with the winds of mens doctrines whereby the lie in wait to decieve.
    LET us in a pure heart SEEK the LORD.
    OH, find him ye shall when ye seek HIm with the whole heart.
    TO THE LORD be all glory, all praise .
    OUR GOD is worthy of all glory. THUS let us seek HIS WILL
    and in all things rejoice in the LORD.
    peter, paul, james, john others, had all affections above
    and thus knew even in great affliction, in prisions THEY COULD SING. and TRULY rejoice, BECAUSE they were being counted worthy to suffer shame for HIS NAME.
    FOR THEY KNEW……………….that all GOD LOVES
    he chastnes and scourges. and in all times
    they could rejoice. WONDERFUL GOOD NEWS GOSPLE
    is all the REASON TO REJOICE.
    FOR we have been saved, not of ourselves, but of GOD
    to REJOICE IN HIM…………………..SING with me lambs…………
    I say SING unto the LORD and tell of HIS WONDERFUL MERCIES…………………AMEN.

  229. PRAISE the LORD i wanna SING TONIGHT.
    we have HOPE, lift up those hands and praise the LORD.
    OUR GOD is the GOD of mercies……………and how
    we ought praise HIm for these mercies upon us.
    OH to GOD be the glory , to God be this song
    Praising our savoir all the day long
    Praise Him in the morning, noon and at night
    We are HIS own and precious in HIS sight
    SING………………SING O lambs SING unto GOD
    TELL of HIS merices, tell goodness
    speak of HIS truth, HE is our savoir our LORD , our GOD.
    REJOICE………………REJOICE………………..rejoice in HIS name
    HE is worthy of all songs of all fame(rrecognition)
    SO sing along with me all lambs GOD is our song
    PRAISING HIS NAME all the day long.
    I love you all be blessed.

  230. Marilyn Crow Jun 10th 2013

    Randall, be blessed.

    `1. Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine. (Actually I am His)
    Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine!
    Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
    Born of His Spirit, wash`d in His blood.


    This is my story, this is my song.
    Praising my saviour all the day long;
    This is my story, this is my song,
    Praising my saviour all the day long.

    3. Perfect submission, all is at rest,
    I in my saviour am happy & blest,
    Watching & waiting, looking above,
    Fill`d with His goodness, lost in His love.

    Do you remember that one? And how come Friday prayer on the phones can be where people meet but we are not `meeting,` here?


  231. I don’t believe I’m in error either Randall… 🙂

  232. You be blessed too Gary… 🙂

  233. Lightning Storm Jun 10th 2013

    Averyl, You are right….I am keeping the 3 persons of the Trinity in their separate roles.
    God, the Father.
    God, the Son, Who is Jesus Christ.
    God, the Holy Spirit.

    Of course, there is much more to each of their roles, but I am trying to keep my posts limited to the point of discussion about AM’s post of a vision and Ken1’s post.

  234. Claudia Jun 10th 2013

    Jordan Sheppard, thank you for taking the time to express yourself so well. I understand what you are saying….we need to comprehend those things in order to communicate them fully to others so they understand what they are believing in when they accept their Master. There are many “masters” in this world. Unless one understands as best they can the nature of their master and lord, their act of submission may not be what they assume it to be.

    The 10 Commandments given by God to Moses explains sin very well. The Lord’s Prayer given by Jesus explains very well what our heart’s desire should be. These are easy to memorize and go along way in explaining who the Master is….and what He desires of us. Explaining the Gospel of Salvation, the story of the LAMB, (which includes our condition of being dead, and needing life) along with these two things is the beginning step to the correct Way, correct narrow Path to the Destiny that God has planned for His people. It is not complex and is very simple and straightforward. Yes, as Jesus said, …”My Yoke is easy..” Even a very young child can understand….because as Jesus also explained, the 10 Commandments are all about LOVE….how to love the Father and how to love our fellow man.

    There are no big words in any of these things….yet they cover it all. Our love growing for our Master can lead to deeper exploration of His nature and deeper growth for reasons know by our Sheppard, and for His use. Keeping it simple and as unsophisticated as possible so that even a child can understand it and apply it seems the right way to me.

    The 10 Commandments displays our sin. The Lord’s Prayer positions our Hearts. The Gospel of Salvation by the LAMB gives us a ticket HOME if we reach out in Belief to ask for this ticket from His pierced hand…with joy for the promise, and sorrow when we notice the blood stains upon the ticket that came from His Sacrifice….and the realization that we were the cause.

    Every Believer in Yeshua is capable and equipped if they share these three things with others. It is the beginning of the Journey. One could spend a lifetime dwelling on these things and the meanings thereof.

  235. Deborah Jun 10th 2013

    For when you lose the gospel, you lose salvation. People are
    actually no longer becoming saved. (Remember, Paul said that
    the gospel is the “POWER OF GOD unto salvation”). And when
    people are no longer truly becoming saved, you also lose the
    church. For no true gospel = no true church.
    You forget one thing: the Church is the ‘called out’ ones and Jesus is building it. What calls itself the church, particularly in North America, ISN’T. The Church has always been a ‘little flock’, not some high powered, high profile, political entity. The Emperor has no clothes- the false churches with the marketing ‘growth principles’, and TV personality ‘leaders’ have nothing to do with the Church of Jesus Christ; the fact that they’ve been masquerading as Christian churches has only added to the confusion. I’m glad that masks are coming off.

  236. Lightning Storm, you said.

    That’s how you see it, but the previous verses are referring to THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

    Lightning, in the “context” of the verses you quoted, it means “The rule of heaven”

    That is, the rule of heaven on earth that was/is promised to Israel.

    Also, maybe reread Marilyn Crows very good detailed explanation above.

    1 Pet 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    1 Pet 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    This promise is to “us” the Church.

    Hope that helps.



  237. Claudia Jun 10th 2013

    After we receive the Gospel story unto FAITH, (The simple Yoke of Jesus Christ) Peter explained very well what the next steps are. Steps that enable ourselves to be set aside and allow us to grow closer to the Divine Nature of our Father. Once the SEED has sprouted, it must be tended to grow strong and not whither when and if the weather turns sour.

    2nd Peter 1:5-11……which teaches that after we first get FAITH (which is the first step….which is the Gospel story of Salvation through the story of Jesus from birth (Son of YHWH), His Sacrifice (the cross), Resurrection, descended (3 days and nights to the Holding Place, and than walking with the Disciples for 40 days and nights), and finally Ascension (rising into Heaven as the Right Hand of the Father) and His return at the Last Day (1,000 human years with Yeshua as King over every nation, His Kingdom come!).

    After we have received FAITH, (the first step),we must enable the cultivation of our worldly nature so as to grow closer to the Divine Nature, which process and practice helps us escape the draw of the world. This process is enabled by adding to our FAITH, seven additional things.

    4=SELF CONTROL (Temperance)
    5=PERSEVERANCE (Patience)
    8=LOVE (Charity)

    As Peter explains, the process of doing this affects the doorway that leads into everlasting LIFE! For those, after receiving FAITH, who diligently add and practice the next 7 steps to their Belief in Yeshua, Our Lord, Jesus Christ, the Doorway that is opened for us is opened abundantly, very wide! Wide open!

    For those who only take the first step of FAITH, but do not seek, virtue, knowledge, self control, perseverance, godliness, kindness and love, or any mix of same….the door is open, but for some it will be only open a crack! Also, the danger is, if we don’t try to add to our FAITH and grow in our FAITH, the dangers of the world, and our reliance upon the world and the glory of man can tempt us into unbelief and cause the doorway of Salvation to be closed

    2nd Peter 1:5-11 (5)But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, (6) to knowledge self-control (temperance), to self-control perseverance (patience), to perseverance godliness, (7) to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love (charity). (8) For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. (9) For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. (10) Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; (11) For so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  238. Lightning Storm Jun 10th 2013

    Those 8 items DESCRIBE the Divine Nature of the Holy Spirit.

    Peter is DIRECTING US to deny SELF/crucify SELF and DESIRE/PRAY for the INCREASED FULLNESS of the Holy Spirit within us.

    The VESSEL must be EMPTIED, before it can be filled up with the NEW WINE.

    2 different wines cannot be mingled.

    “less of me, more of You Lord”
    “NONE of me, ALL of You Lord”

  239. Lightning Storm Jun 10th 2013

    Just as the parable of the 2 houses.

    The house built on sand must be torn down, and a new house built on the rock.

    Thus the reason for “wilderness” seasons in our lives; seasons of plowing and uprooting; seasons of purging by fiery trials.

  240. Lightning Storm Jun 10th 2013


    The Kingdom of Heaven is another dimension other than the NATURAL EARTH that we exist in.

    The “rule of Heaven” is King Jesus Christ ruling the UNSEEN SPIRITUAL KINGDOM OF GOD that is within each follower of Jesus Christ.
    A follower is more than a believer. A follower has come to absolute surrender of their entire will, thoughts, desires, dreams, plans, words, and deeds to the AUTHORITY of Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit within us.
    A follower gets off and completely ABANDONS THE THRONE OF HIS LIFE……..KING JESUS SITS ON THE THRONE AND RULES their life……the life that is given to them daily with each breath.

  241. Averyl Jun 10th 2013

    Lightning, – I thought you said the Kingdom of Heaven is just that, in heaven, and that the Kingdom of God is Christ’s rule on earth.

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”.
    “For in Him dwells all the fullness of Godhead bodily”, Col:2:9.

  242. Deborah said: “I’m glad that masks are coming off.”

    So am I Deborah, because when the masks come off the false, the true will be revealed!

    2 Peter 2:1-3

    “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.”

    1st Corinthians 11:17-19 Pay close attention to verse 19!

    “Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you.”

  243. LAMBS OF THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Be blessed and PRAISE THE LORD.
    I listened to without a doubt the most wonderful music
    every WORD, every sound was UNTO GOD.
    TO THE LORD BE THE GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    O , the LORD inhabits the praises of HIS peoples.
    SO lift up them voices and just REJOICE in HIM
    HIS salvation and tell of HIS MERCIES
    As i listened , i sang and as i sang…………….MY SOUL
    did MAGNIFY THE LORD…………………….I love you all.
    Be blessed. keep only in the bible. and encourage and warn
    often and daily in the things that be OF GOD.

  244. AMEN MARYLIN……………….
    AMEN……………………i didnt grow up in a church
    nor ever hardly went at all.
    BUT THOSE WORDS……………………..as i sang them
    ANd kept singing them i had such a peace…………..
    Be blessed marilyn………………..and REJOICE IN THE LORD.

  245. PEOPLES of the LORD…………………………we IS the church
    HE IS WITH HIS OWN………………
    AND to the LORD be all GLORY……………..
    come what may………………………..WE shall not fear man
    FOR GOD is with us……………
    PRAY for souls to come, pray labourers be sent out
    and FORGIVE all.

  246. Lightning Storm Jun 11th 2013

    Yes, Averyl….I did say that, and I’m still saying that.

    I’m thinking that we mean 2 different things when each of us says “rule OF heaven”.

    When I say it, I mean that ALL authority comes FROM Heaven since the Trinity is sovereign over all creation, and that authority is dispersed according to the will and plans of God, the Trinity.

  247. Marilyn Crow Jun 11th 2013

    How wonderful Randall, So appreciate your `singing, praising, & worshipping,` our precious Lord.

    At rest in Him…..Marilyn.

  248. Marilyn Crow Jun 11th 2013

    Lightning Storm & others.

    Now some thoughts on those tricky terms. `Kingdom of……`

    God has specific names for all of the Universe & beyond & for the parts therein.

    The Kingdom of God is His specific name for the whole lot, everything. God is over all.

    Now we know that God created areas within that great whole area.
    `God created the heavens & the earth.` (Gen. 1: 1) The word heavens is more acurately `heavenlies.` This we can see in Gen: 1: 17 & 20 describing the two areas of the universe. One is the stars & planets & the other the sky where the birds fly, the atmospheric area. Together, these are called the heavenlies.
    (These you descibed.)

    Now in Daniel 2: 44 Israel was told that the God of the heavenlies, the one who created those areas of the universe, He will set up a kingdom that will not be destroyed, in that area.

    Then when Jesus came to His own, the people of Israel He was reminding them of God`s promise to set up a kingdom in the heavenlies (Universe) to rule over the earth.

    Thus the phrase the `Kingdom of heaven,` is more accurately the Kingdom of the Heavenlies.` And we can see that in the New Heavens (note the `s` the heavenlies) & the New Earth.

    The other specific name is the `Kingdoms of this world,` which obviously are on the earth & will be in the New earth. (Rev. 21:24)

    Summing up –

    The `Kingdom of God` – is over all.
    The `Kingdom of the Heavenlies` – Universe.
    The `Kingdoms of the world.` – Earth.

    There is more as I haven`t mentioned the Body of Christ but that is enough for now.


  249. Marilyn Crow Jun 11th 2013

    Dear Randall,

    My precious brother in the Lord. My Father (now promoted to Glory) used to call me, Marylin. It so touched my heart when you called me that. Though I know people forget how to spell it. No matter, it was precious to me.

    Since the topic is the `gospel,` would you mind telling me & all those listening how you came to know the Lord. It seems you are a recent believer of few years whereas many of us here are long time believers.

    You certainly liven up the posts & encourage us no end. Rejoice, sing, & dance a twirl.


  250. Barry Schmidt Jun 11th 2013

    Thank you again Andrew Horton.
    I am convinced if enough people just keep return to the simplicity of Jesus Christ and him crucified- then God will honor that simple gospel of His Son in revival, reformation and mass repentance .

    If you read the posts and articles they are all good and true and right but they are NOT PREACHING CHRIST AN HIM CRUCIFIED.
    Idolatry is placing the good things of God before God!

    You asked how we can join hands. I think we can join hands over this: Jesus Christ plus nothing.
    “for if any two of you agree about anything …” ( you know the rest).

    A nuclear chain reaction occurs when matter is reduced to critical mass. Gods spiritual critical mass is the gospel of His Son- Jesus Christ in us PLUS NOTHING.

    When enough of us are not too ashamed of this simple gospel – and stop our relentless focus on ANYTHING ELSE- we will see critical mass and a thermal (firery) nuclear (global) awakening will occur.

    “The gospel is still the (ONLY) power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes”

  251. Be blessed all lambs.
    Marilynn, i will gladly tell all How God saved me.
    From childhood i was not raised in any church.
    My father atheist, mother a non praticing catholic.
    When i was eight, i went to a church on my own
    for a few sundays, and even one day did the prayer.
    I do remember even then, a touch. But i left as soon as i had came. with no nuture from any.
    Then when i was about 27, i went back for a few times,
    but again soon left.
    I remember while even in the marines, one day in particular,
    an atheist was talking about no god and i said you have to believe in CHrist. YET the same night was out drinking and chasing women. SO it was mouth only.
    I will not tell of all the evils i have done, for some are so wicked
    Just know i have broken about every commandment, and many of them many times.
    THEN one day, a mans wife , whom i had committed adultery
    with, called and wanted to meet up yet again.
    And i was instantly convicted, this happened on may 30 2006
    God reached out and instantly placed me ONLY in the BIBLE.
    a love of reading His word, hours daily, and by HIS grace
    have been kept in it daily since then. I remember one of my first prayers was to have a heart like King david and i prayed for wisdom, knowledge, and understadning. MY prayer WAS HEARD. and it was WHY i was placed ONLY IN THE BIBLE
    with a LOVE of reading it hours daily, some days seven or eight hours. Just a love to FIND HIM, to SEEK after GOD.
    later, i began to visit churches, because i yearned for fellowship
    with others. And sadly i saw doctrines taught that were never or should never have been taught, as i grew in Grace
    things became clearer and clearer. And in quick time
    i KNEW i was witnessing the FALLING AWAY prophesied would come to pass. even in the early days when i still had not the knowlege, YET by his spirit, when i would watch tbn
    and by the reading of the word, i was seeing errors.
    INSTEAD of just a pure LOVE of GOD and HIS EVERY word
    i was seeing the focus on men, on the flesh, and wordlly ambitions. I kept visting churches. the people were always nice
    but i was straving to death in those places, for the PURE HOLY WORD , and kept hearing mens thoughts and wordly ambitions on cares of this life, money, job promotions.
    naught to do with casting all cares above and just living
    as CHRIST intended. BY HIS GRACE have i stayed ONLY in the bible. STILL to this day, i yearn for others who LOVE the LORD in heart and not in mouth as even i once was guilty of.
    I have prayed even for the LORD to send anyone to alway warn me if i be in error. And HE has from time to time.
    WE would be FREE, in heart , mind, in all.
    IF one would ONLY JUST TRUST CHRIST and HIS EVERY WORD. THIS i wish for all. Even since coming
    those seven years ago, i have not only witnessed apostacy in the land, but i have witnessed it has SPED up as of late.
    and i mean SPED UP with a vengeance. TIME IS SHORT.
    Time is very short. amen. TO THE LORD be all glory
    and blessed be the name of the LORD.
    FOR i now KNOW more than EVER, GOD does desire none to perish, NOT ONLY by what HE has said, BUT BECAUSE when he saved ME…………….I WAS honestly ONE OF THE WORST.
    as i said i wont mention ALL the evils i have done.
    JUST know its worse than many i know, way worse.
    my HEART SAID unto THEE will I SEEK.
    and the FIRE burned for HIM and i sought him out, and
    continue to daily. PRAISE THE LORD. amen.

  252. TO each and all………………do we remember what GOD told
    the church in revelations…………..HE told them of how they were still doing good works, etc
    YET they had fallen FROM THE FIRST LOVE……………..
    with the WHOLE heart……………and HAVE IT ALL WILL.
    i have been told by some when i speak, YOU MUST BE
    A NEW CONVERT. because they hear the passion and fire
    FOR THE LORD ONLY, not the world.
    YES…………….a new convert i am……………….EVERY DAY
    EVERY MORNING ANEW. THIS is what MANY now lack.
    and i dont say it to condmen any…………..ONLY TO REMIND.
    THE FIRST LOVE is all about GOD , HIS WILL, all affections above, having all heart above, not on things here below.
    THIS is what i see lacking in many. BUT it aint too late………
    GOD in HIS mercy called out to all seven churches who were in error……………and gives the chance to COME AGAIN, to repent,
    to begin ALIVE and ANEW IN CHRIST.
    all mens wisdoms, physcologies, are death.
    ALL GODS WORDS are LIFE and LIFE abundantely.
    FIND TRUTH ye shall and LIVE TRUTH ye will. amen.

  253. I know ONLY as i know………BY THE GRACE OF GOD
    all is a gift. GODS GRACE when i cried for knowledge, wisdom, understadning, a heart like King david……….PUT me NOT in other books……………….HIS GRACE, HIS ANSWERED prayer
    which HE heard………..PUT ME ONLY in the BIBLE.
    WANT KNOWLEDGE…………………its in there
    want understanding ………………………its in there
    want to know instrucion on righteous holy living………….ITS IN THERE.
    TO KEEP us instructed BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, unto the PATH which is IN CHRIST.
    Oh, yes PAUL, he knew all about WHERE to place the believers in CHRIST……………..and it was HOLY DOCTRINE
    FOR THE TIME HAS NOW COME,when many have abandonded thetruth in search of mens wisdom, and easy times
    and cares and pleasures of life……..which choke the word.
    BUT THE BIBLE never CHOKES the word
    and in the SPIRIT, we , who seek the LORD from a pure heart
    WILL be given all the understadning we need
    to walk and fight each day as we should.
    which never omits the law, it MAGNIFIES the law upon our heart.
    an example.
    YE have heard that it has been said……………commit Not adultery
    has committed adultery in his heart already.
    it………..LOVE DOES THAT.
    the law without faith is only a means of self righteousness
    and condemnation towards others.
    ONLY GOD has the right to vengeance.
    thus stones will be dropped. no accusations be made
    and a DEEP knowledge of HOW we NEED a savoir at all times
    from the evils in the flesh will be made KNOWN.
    the letter kills…………………the SPIRIT gives life.
    seek not to justify your self by the good you do.
    seek rather to be JUSTIFIED in CHRIST………and by HIS spirit
    good works will be seen.
    but know…………..IF while we SEEK to be justified in CHRIST
    we ourselves are found sinners………………is CHRIST the ministir of sin…………..GOD forbid
    for if i, we, or any build again the things which once we destroyed
    we MAKE our selves transgressors.

  254. and again i say SEEK thee the LORD with the WHOLE heart.
    i have seen two great evils in the land
    THE first is a self justification by what we do.
    the second a grace WITH NO GOOD WORKS in TRUTH.
    BOTH are death.
    faith without works is dead, no life within, no evidence of CHRIST.
    works without faith, is only death. self righteous and condemantion towards others.
    like dont Come near unto ME, for i am holier than thou.
    A smoke in GODS nose………….
    ALL have fallen short………………ALL NEED the savoir
    all need HIS constant grace upon them
    teaching us to deny all ungodliness and wordly lusts
    False sensual love………….will transgress the law
    The faster grwoing of the two in churches
    is the false sensual grace, its leading all to anit christ religion.
    the other side………..their hate and love of patriotism
    will lead to dangerous exploits in which rfid will come in.
    both sides LOVE the world and this life, and its cares and pleasrues.
    ONLY a small remant side………who follow the lamb
    who KNOW we are but strangers and pilgrims on earth,
    who dont build and heap up here, but give and do so cheerfully.
    for they have HOPE above, treasures above
    and LOOK for the city to come……which is BUILT by GOD
    the other two sides will be pitted one against the other
    till the time comes when they all as ONE come AGAINST
    the third group. LAWS being passed, times changing
    signs all around SHEW unto us……………..TIME IS SHORT.
    soon the great dearth comes. And the dark one
    will be given power to overcome the saints,
    many will be killed, and except CHRIST shortenes those
    days no flesh would survive…………but for the elects sakes
    he will. some will be standing when the TRUE CHRIST returns.
    after the false ONE, has destroyed many THROUGH PEACE.
    the days are short. the darkness growing great.
    Pray for all who persecute us……………
    bless them, curse them not.
    DO all as GOD did unto US ungoldy sinners.
    EXTEND GRACE by preaching the WORD of reconcilation.

  255. PREACH CHRIST and Him crucifed and those who hear
    will have LIFE
    preach christ and the world……………..and ONLY DEATH.
    TIS CHRIST and CHRIST only to be preached.
    CHRIST and all hopes above ON HIM
    Be blessed.

  256. CHRIST and HIM ONLY will lead us to all HEAVENLY knowlege
    Christ and the world, its things, will ONLY give wordly knowlege
    which ends in death, for affections will be on things here below.
    CANNOT serve GOD and anything else.
    TO THE LORD be the glory.
    and if any has a NEED, ASK a brother or sister in CHRIST
    if they give YOU THANK GOD for HIS GOODNESS through them . IF they say go pray and give not…………….and have it,
    PREACH CHRIST. not the world.

  257. PAUL learned to be CONTENT in what so ever state he was
    with even the loss of all.
    God feeds lil birds…………………….WE ARE OF MORE VALUE than many birds. SO GIVE THESE THINGS NO THOUGHT
    BY this immutable thing. GOD CANNOT LIE.
    and when we lack learn to be content. God will soon provided
    your food and clothes.
    WITH food and clothes BE YE CONTENT.
    STOP worrying of the morrow, which for some may not even come
    THEN what good was all that worry……………
    FOCUS ON CHRIST, and the task at hand.
    the TASK of doing all for the sakes of others above your own self.
    SING lambs……………….When all thoughts, hopes, cares, affections, are ABOVE and not on wordly things
    THAT MAN IS FREE. GOD is our helper.
    WE feaer NOT man. amen.

  258. Amen randell , for bible only is the true measure of where we are truly at , for one who is surrendered and reconciled to the Jesus of the bible , with His spirit alive within them, will always find truth and revelation from the written words.

    An unsurrendered mind struggles to read the bible , and without the Holy Spirit of the Jesus of the bible , no one can understand or stay contented and fulfilled by the bible only.

    The bible is alive through the Spirit of truth and revelation , which will lead us on to live and experience our lives in Christ ,which become further chapters to the book of acts , the acts of those who follow the Lamb in Spirit and truth.

    Praise our glorious risen Lord Jesus Christ

    as He lives in us , we walk in Him !

  259. We are in unity over this Barry (what you shared in your last post) – let it come Lord, let it come, we join our hearts together and we say let there be an explosion all over the world of the true gospel, the simplicity of looking to Jesus as our Saviour and knowing that as we do everything else (all the good things of the Lord – all the transformation we all so deeply desire) will follow…

    Hallelujah brother, we have this… 🙂

    We have this transformation, we have this explosion, we have this victory…


  260. Marilyn Crow Jun 11th 2013

    Thank you Randall.

    My husband, Trevor & I read your testimony & exhortations with great interest & joy. So true, we are all nothing without the Lord & His word is the only pure truth.

    Have a God day, love in the Lord, Marilyn.

  261. Marilyn Crow Jun 11th 2013


    I just want to add again, thank you so much for sharing as it has really touched my heart. It is `the song of the soul set free,` & what a wonderful melody that is. Makes us love our precious Lord all over again, & again & again. After such darkness the light would be blindingly clear.

    Conitnue to sing, praise & rejoice for everyday is closer.


  262. Marilyn Crow Jun 12th 2013

    The Gospel, the good news, the glad tidings.


    The Apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost spoke to the devout Jews, those of deep faith, in Jerusalem. He told them that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah to Israel.

    `Now therefore the whole nation of Israel must know beyond the shadow of a doubt that this Jesus, Whom you crucified, God has declared to be both Lord & Christ.` (Acts 2: 36 J.B.Phillips)

    This is the Apostles doctrine that was taught to the early Jewish believers, `Jesus is the Messiah to Israel.`


    When Christ revealed Himself to the Apostle Paul he went into the desert for a few years. There the Lord revealed more of His plans to Paul. This revelation was not known by the Old Testament prophets or even the early disciples.

    It was a revelation of the `Body of Christ,` the Ekklesia, `called out` ones.

    `You have heard that it was by direct revelation that the secret of God`s purpose was made known to me. ….This was in past ages not revealed to the sons of men in the fulness with which it has now been revealed by the Spirit……this secret which has been from all time hidden away in the mind of God,….`
    (Eph. 3: 3 – 5, 9. J.B. Phillips)

    So throughout Paul`s writings he explains & expounds on this great revelation of the Body of Christ, how it is formed, how it grows, matures, its purpose & its setting in eternity.

    Many people today have not yet come to the full realisation of Christ`s purpose for the Body of Christ or even to understand what the Body of Christ is.

    As this full revelation spreads across the Body of Christ in the next few years we will see a maturing & reviving that so many are desiring.

    This is the full good news of Christ – the particular revelation that Christ gave to the Apostle Paul. That is the full Apostle`s Doctrine, teaching.

    Members of His Body – what an unutterable privilege & joy.


  263. Marilyn Crow Jun 12th 2013

    Dear Randall.

    I was looking for `Blessed Assurance,` for you on utube 7 found Alan Jackson (didn`t know him) & then couldn`t resist my all time forever, & forever & ever favourite, `Turn your eyes upon Jesus, with the verses which I didn


  264. Marilyn Crow Jun 12th 2013

    Dear Randall.

    I was looking for `Blessed Assurance,` for you on utube & found Alan Jackson (didn`t know him) & then couldn`t resist my all time forever, & forever & ever favourite, `Turn your eyes upon Jesus, with the verses which I didn`t know. So be blessed Randall & others.


    In His keeping, in His great unfathomable love. Marilyn.

  265. Jordan Shepherd Jun 12th 2013

    Claudia, your summary above is well said and a timely reminder for me to keep in focus some key points when delivering and deliberating on the Gospel.

    What I love is the way the Holy Spirit can direct us to reveal God’s plan of salvation through natural conversation in a variety of contexts; work, university, sport, community activity … recreation and relationship. We can be all things to all men, reflect the nature of Christ and communicate a clear, uncompromising, “unsophisticated”, simple, yet biblical, Gospel.

    At times, the law will be required for those whose eyes are blinded to their own condition before God. And, for those who trust in religion or their own self-righteousness, there are a multitude of Gospel imperatives (commands, direct requests, and prohibitions) to communicate at the appointed spirit led and spirit directed, time.

    One of the greatest challenges I find is knowing when and when not, to speak, allowing the Lord to work conviction in the way that only He knows how. God bless.

  266. Claudia Jun 12th 2013

    Marilyn, It seems to me that Ephesians, Chapter 3 explains that Paul’s revelation was that the fellowship of the MYSTERY OF THE BODY OF CHRIST, WAS ALSO MEANT FOR THE GENTILES to be a part of. That “Gentile” concept was what was not revealed in other ages unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (Eph.3:5). Prior to Paul’s revelation, the Gentiles were strictly set out of the fold, out of the family. This revelation went against the grain of Jewish tradition big time.

    Eph.3: 6-19

    That the GENTILES SHOULD BE FELLOWHEIRS, and of THE SAME BODY, and partakers of HIS PROMISE IN CHRIST by the gospel:

    (His promise being) THE GIFT OF THE GRACE OF GOD

    this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

    to make all men see what is THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things BY JESUS CHRIST:

    the ETERNAL PURPOSE which he purposed IN CHRIST JESUS our Lord:

    For this cause I bow my knees unto the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ,

    That he would grant you

    to be strengthened with might by his SPIRIT in the inner man

    That Christ may dwell in your hearts BY FAITH, that ye,

    May be able to comprehend

    what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

    THE LOVE OF CHRIST, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the FULNESS OF GOD.

    As Randall Lowrey stated: “….and if any has a NEED, ASK a brother or sister in CHRIST…..if they give YOU THANK GOD for HIS GOODNESS through them.”

    To Paul it was uniquely revealed that being Jewish was not the end game, but that the Mystery of Christ’s Purpose extended to ALL who would partake…that ALL might be brothers and sisters in Him, taking care of and meeting the needs of each other….being the Right Hand of Christ.

    If Yeshua had not broken His body on the cross (the LAMB sacrificed) and spilled Grace into the world….there would be no GIFT for mankind….all would be LOST, finished, over, ended….defeated.

    But…..HE LIVES….and so may we!

  267. Claudia Jun 12th 2013

    Me too, Jorden Shepherd!

    As Paul said above, regarding the SPIRIT in the inner man. It is always with us, teaching us, ministering to us, guiding us, revealing God’s nature to us, showing us things that need to be done.

    Jesus made it possible that the Spirit can reside in our hearts. It is not confined to the written word or to any set time, or any set gathering. He is with us always! That is why we should try not to take it where it would be offended or hurt.

  268. Jordan Shepherd Jun 12th 2013

    Yes, Claudia, we should take great care that the Spirit is not grieved, which can happen in various ways — through our actions – contrary to His nature, for example, allowing the flesh (sinful nature) to rule over the Spirit (Gal 5) … or, through our thought life … “think upon what is pure and right, just and noble …” (Phil. 4:8) , or, allowing the doctrine of demons / false teaching, in our lives, or allowing another spirit entrance into our lives … (e.g. new age, etc.)

    “When He, the Holy Spirit comes, He will guide you into all truth. He will take from what is mine and make it known to you.” That is why I think Jesus says, the Father is seeking those who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. That means worshiping the true image of God, as directed by the Holy Spirit and also informed by God’s word.

    I love Ephesians 3:14 — that God would strengthen us with “might”, through His Spirit, in our inner man …”

    From distant memory, I understand the word might is synonymous with the word, power (“dunamis”) – as in, ” … You shall receive power (“dunamis”) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you shall be my witnesses …” The power has already been given – but only benefits when it is working in us. It can also mean, “miraculous power” and is the same word for the ability to have capacity … to carry out a function.

    Following on, God empowers us, but we all know that His power is not always at work within us … I believe power to be a witness extends not only to proclaim the Gospel in power, but enabling power (efficacy, if you will – from God) to live a godly life, as a witness to others. “Pursue peace with all men, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.” (Heb 12:14) Also, “Now that you have purified yourselves, in obedience to the truth, THROUGH THE SPIRIT, love one another fervently from a pure heart.” (1 Pet 1:22)

    My point: Though God’s power resides in us, we can act in faith to see God’s power released… However, we need His word in our Spirit to activate faith in our lives, allowing His word totransform us and renew our minds. (Romans 12:1-2) “The word of God is living and active, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing evern to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and judges (discerns) the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Heb 4:12). His Spirit will lead us; His word will confirm the truth to us. “If my delight had not been in your law (word, teaching), I would have perished in my affliction.” (Psalm 119:92)

    His Spirit is indeed in us. But we cannot underestimate the power of His word. Brief testimony: At age 23, 4 years before I was saved, I read the local newspaper and noticed a quote: “See to it that no one takes you captive through empty philosophy and empty deceit, according to the traditions of men, according to the basic principles of the worldf and not according to Christ.” I never knew this was Scripture, just saw the name of what I thought was the author, Colossians, following by some numbers, 2:8.

    I had read and memorised a few quotes before this time, but there was something special about this one. This one was like no other and I had no knowledge of who this Christ was. What did I do? I memorised the Scripture quote over the next half hour then waited for more of this same (“manna”??) but it never came. As I hid this word in my heart, I believe the Lord used it to sow a seed and speak prophetically many years later, reserving such a word for this season.

    I am grateful that we have this treasure in earthen vessels and that the Lord did not leave us as orphans, but sent us the Comforter, Counselor and Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit: “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you as orphans: I will come to you. (John 14:17-18)

  269. Be blessed OF THE LORD all peoples of the lamb.
    to the aurthors of the SPRIIT of GOD is not confined to only
    the written word.
    BE YE VERY CAREFUL. though
    FOR many , i say many get a revelation of GOD
    and GO WITH IT…………..
    AND boy it feels good and right…..
    THUS, a contradiction of the written word
    equals NOT A REVELATION OF GOD, but rather darkness
    and of the flesh and hearts of men.
    TEST ALL ye hear, whether of men, of spirits of etc
    FOR many, AND i say MANY no hear of a spirit
    which easily relates to the unlearned or unstable.
    And it makes all the sense, and seems right unto a man
    BUT THE END THERE OF is death.
    THEMS early apsoltes………..theys a knew whats theys was
    a saying WHEN they said CONSTANTLY
    cause peoples…………..many are now being led down a sensual
    path, which sounds right, cause truths are in it
    its the mixture sent by the serpent.
    I warn us all, i encourage us all. BIBLE. REMAIN IN IT
    and LEARN YE and be given the INSTRUCTION of righteous HOLY LIVING. stray not from her………..OR FALL YE SHALL.
    we nigh the end. we nigh the end. signs are all over
    WE NIGH THE END. amen.

    I give thee thanks for thy mercies and compassions upon men.
    FOr those who have recieve in HEART thy Grace
    and now live ONLY UNTO THEE.
    THEY have a HOME………………BUT IT AINT HERE.
    thy truth it keeps, thy truth does steer.
    O thank you wonderful merciful GOD in Spirit
    we receive thy word, for by Grace we hearit
    SING unto the LORD a marvelous song
    sing , sing all the day long.
    HIS light will guide us , HIs lamp shines bright
    for all IN THE LAMB, it keeps them aright
    STAY YE IN THE LORD, and make NO provisions unto the flesh
    OUR weapons are not OF THIS WORLD
    but of HIM, of the SPIRIT…………….
    KEEP the eyes single, heavenly.
    for a double minded man…………….is unstable in all his ways.
    their light is but darkness, their hope is in earthly things
    Lost , gone astray and awhoring unto the WHORE
    which feeds the sensual carnal lusts of men.
    and soon she shall pour out her final blow unto the saints.
    BUT GOD will render vengeance upon her
    FOR precisous in the sight O our GOD is the death of HIS saints.
    OUR PRAYERS are heard, our prayres in a cup
    PRAY and SEEK him while HE may be found.
    FOR once the master of the HOUSE , whose house we are IF
    we continue in him , grounded and settled and our HOPE in him dim not………………….WHEN HE HAS ARISEN
    then shall many beat upon the DOOR
    and HE shall say………………..from WITHIN
    I NEVER KNEW YOU, YE who worked iniquity.
    BUT LORD, LORD did we not prophesy in thy name
    DID we NOT do many wonderful and good works
    and cast out demons……………
    GO after the LORD with the WHOLE heart
    not part in the world and part above. THE WHOLE HEART.
    let nothing of this world have any hold upon you.
    THE LUST of the flesh, of the EYES, that means what can be SEEN HERE on earth, the PRIDE of life
    is ENMITY WITH GOD. whosoever will be a friend to this world
    not here , ABOVE. thems early apostles KNEW THIS DEEP.
    and BY GODS GRACE………………SO DO I.
    PRAISE THE LORD…………………..HIS COMING DOES draw nigh.
    our betrayer is at hand……………..PRAY YE that ye enter NOT into tempation, pray YE that you be counted worthy to escape
    the wrath, pray YE again, that ye enter NOT into tempation.
    FOR our adversary the devil has TAKEN many people
    churches, their doctrines and made them his own.
    Beware HE is not asleep. HE ROAMS ABOUT SEEKING QUICKLY NOW whome he may devour.
    and as a GRAVE man , I SHALL WARN
    THE ONLY, ONLY WAY to resist HIM is by OUR FAITH IN CHRIST. not in us, or in men………..BUT IN CHRIST. amen.
    Satan has taken many a pulpit now and i say many.
    and soon the whole of them IF THEY REPENT NOT
    will come against the few true lambs.
    SO GO AND make desciples of men and warn all, encourage all.
    preach CHRIST and ONLY CHRIST and him crucified.

  271. GOD in his LOVE in HIS merices
    will chasten all he LOVES.
    JUDGMENT against the HOUSE OF GOD
    is coming here to america, to canada
    Murmur not in the loss of things,
    and rejoice ye are being counted worthy to suffershame for HIS name.
    FOR i say, as i did paul in second thess chapter one
    OUR tribulations which we endure, or specially SOON will
    That we too be counted worthy of the KINGDOM for which we suffer. TOO many live a false gosple
    and preach things THEY OUGHT NOT, for gains sake.
    preach an money filled prosperity gosple of me us
    AND FILL the churches it will……….THEY PREACH ONLY FOR WORDLY GAIN…………….I SHUN they false gosple of prosperity
    GOD in HIS mercy warned the lukewarm church
    so i dont say tis too late for repentance.
    BUT without repentance they HAVE NOT CHRIST.
    that many be made rich……………………..DRAWS NIGH
    upon the western world as well.
    But again………..prescious in the sight of GOD
    is the death of HIS SAINTS
    for at the end……………………both sides have their reward.
    ONE IS LIFE………………….the other is death.
    CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye shall serve………
    as for me……………….TIS GOD…………………and come whatever may……………TO GOD BE ALL GLORY> amen.

  272. MANY have forgotten that NOT only is it appointed UNTO US
    to BELIEVE IN HIM……….
    BY GRACE now engrained in me, more and more
    and thus by knowledge of HIM………………
    my feet are kept upon the TRUE and RIGHTEOUS PATH.
    and anything unknow to me…………i pray the LORD burn it out
    in HIS MERCIES………..for i know i only know in part
    and NEED HIM, HIS GUIDANCE , his precious work and indwelling of the spirit in me , at all times, to make me aware
    and on gaurd against all the viles of satan, of the flesh contrary to GOD, I have a NEED of HIM, and a KNOWN NEED of HIM
    at all times. TEST ALL SAINTS………….
    bring back mens doctrines of mixes and i wont hear it
    i am saying TEST ALL THAT I SAY AS WELL.
    NOT from men……………GO BACK TO ONLY BIBLE and test.
    this will HELP US ALL. amen.

  273. as time gets ever shorter
    we will see, even some amongst us
    will warn against those men who warn the flock.
    BUT I SAY avoid them. and understand
    we all NEED these reminders. for the night is far spent
    tis almost done……..
    and as we go only furthur in these days
    ALL will see……………..its the grave men, those who love
    the TRUTH and the peoples
    will be loved less and mocked more and shunned.
    I only pray for mine enemeis and only
    hope to encourage the saints in truth.
    BUT i will NOT be made to swallow any part
    of a lie sensual gosple. TIS CHRIST, HIS EVERY WORD
    i shall take of and eat of that bread. not mens worm filled death
    unto the world……………..that is CHRIST………….
    and all to the glory of the FATHER. amen.
    sometimes i post a lot, sometimes not at all.
    AS i am LED so shall i speak. and may i speak
    ONLY that which edifies the hearer.

  274. and now i leave on this one last NOTE
    thus HE KNOWS far greater for me
    as HE KNOWS to do unto me.
    THAT IS TRUSTING IN GOD and not self.
    i say we all grow up into HIM…………..
    that we dont be taken away by the doctrines of mens
    and etc…………..
    BIBLE. BIBLE. Bible…………….READ and READ MORE.
    and DO as CHRIST SAID. not men of today
    BUT WHAT CHRIST, said. amen.

  275. Marilyn Crow Jun 12th 2013


    Thank you for your comment which develops this subject of the `Body of Christ.` Yes the `mystery of the Body of Christ was also meant for the Gentiles,` as you so rightly said. I was just focussing on the `Body,` part.

    Previously the Gentiles could join with Israel. Think of Ruth, Rahab & others, not Jewish but included into the Ekklesia of Israel & God`s promises for them.

    Then with the revelation that God gave the Apostle Paul, God was revealing another Ekklesia. This next group of called out ones were equal, not focussing on either Jew nor Gentile, but a special `Body,` for a special purpose.

    Thank you for the furtherance of thought. Marilyn.

  276. Claudia Jun 13th 2013

    Thank you, Marilyn, for the excellant example and clarification regarding the special “Body”…and the reminder of Ruth.

    Thank you, Randall for putting forth His Word in such delightful Songs of Worship and instruction.

  277. Claudia Jun 13th 2013

    Thank you, Jordan Shepherd, for additional layers, and for sharing the “author”….Colossians! Very prophetic.

    We are not alone, we are supplied with the Holy Spirit and the Body of Chirst. He loves us.

  278. Tis late…………………BUT PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That is a good song too marilynn…………….
    Let us all just praise the LORD. and be ever encouraged in Him.
    as we face each day , a day we know not , nor a morrow
    BUT HE KNOWS all…………..and HIS WILL BE DONE.
    PRAISE THE LORD…………..i love you all. Be blessed.

  279. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcP9Zsaqnck&feature=player_detailpage

    THE PRIZE TO BE WON……………………
    to hear on that DAY………………enter into the kingdom prepared
    for thee………………
    HERES a good one too marilynn and others……………

  280. Marilyn Crow Jun 13th 2013

    What a great hope to look forward to Randall, `I`ll fly away…`

    Claudia & Jordan Shepherd,

    It`s been interesting to read your comments as you have discussed reaching out to others. This also is my heart`s desire & by His Holy Spirit we learn, `on the job.`

    I like to approach discussions also from `What do you think of the world today?` as you said, for it leads to people having to think eventually about good, evil, the world system & can we trust `them.`

    My friend has a great saying to others, `Do you think they have your best interest at heart?` `They,` being man`s world system, as if the `they,` would have any idea of little `us.`

    And as the system man has put in place further breaks down & further divides the rich & poor, it is very obvious to others that they can`t put their trust in it. Then through personal involvement & care of others they see the inner peace & trust we have in these difficult times & so are drawn to know our Lord.

    One by one ……Marilyn.