THE ‘TORBEN’ CONTROVERSY – Comments?

-by Andrew Strom

I hope by now you have seen the movie “The Last Reformation” by my old friend Torben Sondergaard. (If not, there is a link at the end of this article). Of course, the movie is very powerful and inspiring – which is why we have promoted it. It literally changes people’s lives.

But there are always those who have concerns – and it is often the same things that come up over and over. So I am writing this article to address some of these things…

Firstly, I am not a member of ‘The Last Reformation’ movement.
To me, this is not about a man or a movement. It is all about
JESUS and what He wants to do in the earth. We can take the
very best stuff that Torben puts out and combine it with the things
God has shown us – and see tremendous powerful things happen
in people’s lives. That is because it is not about us and it is not
about Torben. It is all about JESUS and what He wants to do.

EXPERIENCED a DAY OF MIRACLES

If you have been on this email list for awhile, you will know that
we have been doing similar things to the movie for years. Praying
and baptizing people on the streets, etc. But I have to admit, when
I got back from the recent “Kickstart” with Torben in Australia,
something in me felt new and different. It was like a ‘jump’ had
taken place so that healings and other powerful things suddenly
felt more ‘normal’ and more attainable. And now we are teaching
others and they are seeing this “jump” take place in their own
lives. A jump into Book-of-Acts Christianity.

We just returned from a little town in Northland where some
brothers and I held a Training Weekend not too different from the
ones Torben holds. On Saturday we literally had an entire day
of healings, people getting filled with the Spirit and speaking in
‘tongues’, baptisms in the ocean – all interspersed with teaching
on the “Foundations” (Hebrews 6) – and so-on.

At one point we got all the “well” people to pray for all those with
injuries and sickness. Many were instantly healed. While this
was going on, I started praying for a woman who had had two
operations on her hips and walked in constant pain. As I
commanded healing in the name of JESUS she was instantly
healed and took off walking up and down the aisle to check that
the pain was gone. Totally healed in Jesus’ name! I then asked
her if she had ever been filled with the Holy Spirit and spoken in
‘tongues’. She never had. I laid on hands and prayed for her. She
was instantly filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in
a beautiful prayer-language. Honestly, I have never seen a person
look more radiant or filled-with-joy than this lady. And two hours
later she was helping to baptize a friend in the ocean. Real New
Testament stuff happening right before our eyes.

Did it used to be common for me to see powerful things happen
instantaneously like that? Nope. But now it is starting to become
truly “normal”. And we also find that we are able to pass this on
to others. The gospel is being followed by healings and miracles,
just like it was in the Bible.

BAPTISM is AN ISSUE

Personally I have always been strong on baptism – both in water
and in the Spirit. The thing that I am strongest on is that baptism
should be done in FAITH. You need to BELIEVE that in baptism
God will do all the things He says He will do. Of course we insist
that people must repent first before they are baptized.

So when the Bible speaks of baptism as a “death and burial” of
the old life (Rom 6:3-4) we tell people to believe God for that. And
when it says that baptism is a “cutting off” (Col 2:11-12) and a
“washing away” (Acts 22:16) we tell people to believe God for
that. This makes baptism very powerful – just as it should be. Why
do we treat baptism as a mere “symbol” when if we do it in FAITH
it can be one of the most powerful spiritual experiences of a
person’s entire life?

A lot of people ask questions about the way Torben baptizes.
You will notice in the movie that he says to the person, “I baptize
you into Jesus Christ” (or in the “name of Jesus Christ”) but then
he does something additional while he is putting them under the
water. He says, “Die with Christ, rise with Christ.” And he does
it every time. In fact, a lot of people get the impression that this
is Torben’s baptismal formula. “Die with Christ, rise with Christ.”

If you ask him, I’m sure Torben will say that this is just something
he adds to emphasize what baptism is all about. (Rom 6:3-4).
But the problem is that Torben’s followers around the world are
copying him in a way that makes it seem like this is now the
proper “formula” for baptism. This could really cause problems.
In fact, it already is.

For many years I have personally baptized people “in the name
of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in the name of Jesus
Christ.” Why do I do it this way? Because in Matt 28:19 it tells
us to baptize in the name of the “Father, Son and Holy Spirit”
but in the Book of Acts it tells us they baptized people in the
“name of Jesus Christ”. So to fulfill all these Scriptures and also
to save confusion, I make sure that all of this is covered. To
speak the name of Jesus over someone being baptized is a very
wonderful thing.

So I have no problem with Torben baptizing people simply “into
the name of Jesus Christ.” Personally I prefer to do it a bit
differently, but I have no problem with that at all. And neither do
I have a problem with people joining the ‘Last Reformation’
movement. If they want to do that it is entirely up to them.

As for me and others, however, we consider that we are already
part of the “Jesus” movement. We love to take great material like
the ‘Last Reformation’ movie and show it to people to make them
inspired about doing the works of Jesus in the earth. It is one of
the best tools I know of to show that a “Book of Acts” lifestyle
truly is possible today. A very powerful film. But we do not have
to be part of a “movement” to do that.

I strongly encourage you to gather your friends and relations to
watch this movie. There is really nothing else like it. Maybe you
can even have a prayer and healing session afterward! Or a
baptism session! I’m sure it will inspire your friends just as it
has inspired many others.

CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH THE MOVIE – https://thelastreformationmovie.com/

God bless you all.

Andrew Strom.

Posted in Articles by Andrew on March 9th, 2016 at 8:33 am.

76 comments

76 Replies

  1. Andrew Mar 9th 2016

    Please post in love, my friends. Disagreement is fine but it is the way we do it that should show that we are not slanderers, gossips and back-stabbers like the world.

    If we post with criticism let it still be constructive and not mean-spirited.

    Special blessings to all,

    Andrew Strom

  2. Marnie Mar 9th 2016

    I am totally amped about this …this has been burning in me for four years…I feel totally holy frustration at how redundant Christ is in me on a pew.. . Where where where on earth can I find a place of training?!!! I am in Whangarei NZ

  3. Good stuff. I shared this with about 15 Facebook groups and on my personal wall. Hopefully the ripple effect will kick in as more and more people discover this video and see that God is bringing us back to where it all started 2000 years ago.

  4. When we see in our own lives the number of salvations, healings and deliverances that Torben sees, then maybe we will no longer worry about his particular ‘formula’!!

    We are here to work to see the Kingdom of God reach out to everyone, let that be our focus.

  5. Marnie, I hear your cry, I was the same. But go to YouTube and look for Torben Sondergaard and Last Reformation. I think this link might take you there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzZv-XMXPU&list=PL62F7NXKqmsvSmr4KtvYyiNSd0bGazjtV

    Also, a friend of his and no doubt Andrew’s, is Curry Blake. So again go to YouTube put in Curry Blake DHT and look for the 17 Sessions on Healing posted by Carsten Joshua Hedegaard – again I think this should take you there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDPENVTZXQ

    They have very different styles but my husband and I are loving the Curry Blake and getting activated through that way.

    All the best

  6. Thanks Andrew.
    You bring a lot of truth, balance and trustworthy perspective.

  7. David Mar 9th 2016

    If we would just understand that “in the name of…” means “in the authority of…”, like “Open in the name of the law”, or “this ordinance is in the name of the king”, most of the controversy over the method of baptizing would go away. It’s not the words, it’s the doing of it.

    Some say baptism is necessary for salvation. Some say that’s a “work” and not necessary. I say this, for better or worse: If Jesus commands us to do something (ref Matt 28:20) and Peter commanded us to “repent and be baptized for remission of sins”, well, it’s not a “work”, it’s just obedience to the Word. If we don’t choose to obey written instructions from the Lord via the Holy Spirit’s biblical inspiration, then how dare we call Him “Lord”?

    To obey is better than sacrifice, even today. Jesus is not Savior now, and maybe Lord when we decide to commit fully. He is SaviorAndLord all at once, or He is neither.

    PS He commanded other things much more complicated than immersion in water. We are obliged to obey those things, also, aren’t we?

  8. L. Alex Smith Mar 9th 2016

    I think the wording of Matthew 28:19 can be cleared up when several things are taken into account. As you rightly noted, Andrew, all through the Book of Acts, they baptised “in the name of Jesus”.
    Acts 2:37-38 Peter told them to repent and “be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.”
    Acts 8:16 The Samaritans were baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    Acts 10:48 Peter told Cornelius and his household to be baptised in the name of the Lord (KJV)… in the name of Jesus Christ (NAS).
    Acts 19:5 The Ephesians that Paul had met were baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    Romans 6:3 WE (which includes Paul, see Acts 9:18) were baptised into Jesus Christ.
    Galatians 3:27 “…as many of you as have been baptised into Christ, have ‘put on’ Christ.”
    Were the apostles DISOBEYING Jesus in his command in Matthew 28? Not at all… because– 1) at first reading, it actually says, “baptising them in the name (singular, not “the names” plural) of the Father, etc.” Compare this with John 17:11 (NIV) “…Holy Father, protect them by the power of Your Name– the Name You gave me– so that they may be one, as we are one.” That God who is YHWH, gave His son Jesus HIS NAME, “YHWH OSHEA” (I am The Saviour, see Isaiah 43:11), then it all makes sense! The angel said to Mary, “You shall call his name ‘Yeshua’ (contraction of YHWH OSHEA) for, or because, HE SHALL SAVE his people from their sins!” (Matthew 1:21)
    But– 2) Dahhhh….! (My exasperated sigh)… when you research “Matthew 28:19 variant” you shall find that it was actually ALTERED…! ! ! ! ARRrrgghh.
    What Matthew actually wrote down was “baptising them in my name”. Eusebius, the 4th century church historian, wrote that he handled old manuscripts that had it that way– possibly the Original that Matthew had written! The early church leaders quote that section of Matthew this way “baptising them in my name” to add credence to this.
    So… then all the references in the Book of Acts, make absolute sense… with no ambiguity whatsoever….! ! !
    I don’t suppose that God is so exacting on this, that one would need to get “re-baptised”… He knows your heart. But isn’t it better, once you do know, to do it the more correctly Biblical way?
    I don’t think that it is a “formula”… that’s man’s concoction… I see it as “granting authority to do the task”. It’s the AUTHORITY of the name of Jesus, not the exact wording.

  9. GaryM Mar 9th 2016

    There’s no controversy for me. Die with Christ … rise with Christ works for me and what Torben has presented proves it. BUT more importantly GOD approves of it. The results (salvation, tongues, healing power) attests to God’s approval. What then does it matter what mere men think?

    If God sanctions it …. and he certainly has …. then climb aboard!

  10. Marta Altheide Mar 9th 2016

    To God be the glory! Watched movie, and this Have seen in my own life. And God actually has strangers tell me they are in pain or sick, at the grocery store or wherever. I offer prayer, they accept, are healed instantly! My neighbor sliced the end of finger, and called me to come over and tell her if she needed to go to the hospital. Gave her first aid, prayed and she healed miraculously fast. He heals! And we know that as long as we give Him the glory, for of ourselves we can do nothing, Is there anything too hard for Jesus? No! Let us live out this truth.

  11. Sarah Mar 9th 2016

    We need to be doers of the word and not just hearers. It should be that in every moment of our lives we are ready to preach the word in and out of season and of course praying for people and even baptizing comes with all of it. Living lives that are a good testimony of Jesus to the world that they will asks us what is the Hope of glory in us and being ready to give the answer. All this leads to opening the door of ministering to the world. Signs and wonders should be following us otherwise we are lukewarm.

  12. Antipas ForYshua Mar 9th 2016

    The “Last Reformation” – Really? Luthers reformation was an extreme anti-smite, persecuted the brothers of Y’shua, wrote a book called “The Jews and their lies” which was used by Nazi Germany to commit genocide of 6,000,000 Jews and countless others and WWII in which millions of others died. Luthers protestant Germany (land of the reformation) fell impotent in the face of powers of darkness (nazism).

    The land/people of Luther’s “reformation” and the Protestant church state failed – only Dietrich Boehnoffer, Martin Niemöller and a tiny remnant within the “confessing church” and the German people took a stanch stand against nazism and helped the Jews.

    Btw, the protestant church recently repented of Luthers anti-semitism on his 500th birthday by the EKD Synod.
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/324684/german-protestant-church-denounces-anti-semitism-of-founder-martin-luther/

    Allow me to suggest any “reformation” needs to repent of Luthers reformation to the least of the brothers of Yshua / Jewish people – take a gander at Matt 25:31-46 – how they treat the least of the brothers (ie JEWS).

    Without repentance there will be no revival (bringing back that which is dead). Until the Jews are reached – there will be no revival – “They are the enemies of the good news for OUR SAKE” Rom 11:28

    Until the gospel goes to the “Jew first” – Rom 1:16 and Luke 24:47 – there will be no revivals or apostles or prophets.

    Apostolic practice = apostolic power

    The first outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the gentiles was in Acts 10 – Cornelius. And what did Cornelius do ?

    He was “a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually.”

    Gave alms to Jews ? WHAT ?????

    “Cornelius the centurion has sent us,” they said. “He is a righteous and God-fearing man with a good reputation among the whole Jewish nation. A holy angel instructed him to request your presence in his home, so that he could hear a message from you.” Acts 10:22

    A righteous and God-fearing man with a good reputation among the WHOLE Jewish nation ??????

    How can this be ? No one is righteous.

    Isa 35 is the revival chapter for the ecclesia (ie the reformation that is needed (please read the whole chapter in context and and ask whom is speaking to whom.)

    And rejoice with rejoicing and shout of joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, The majesty of Carmel and Sharon. They will see the glory of the LORD, The majesty of our God. 3Encourage the exhausted, and strengthen the feeble. 4Say to those with anxious heart, “Take courage, fear not. Behold, your God will come with vengeance; The recompense of God will come, But He will save you.”5Then the eyes of the blind will be opened
    And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. 6Then the lame will leap like a deer, And the tongue of the mute will shout for joy. For waters will break forth in the wilderness
    And streams in the Arabah.

    I suggest reading the whole chapter in context and ask whom is speaking to whom. Btw, this isn’t John & Yshua – the message of the gospel was vastly different (Is 40:3 & Matt 11:10).

    Until there is repentance of church fathers, the antisemitsm of the synods of Elvira, Ladoecia, Nicea, Antioch and the recent synod at Wittenberg in 1934.

    Allow me to suggest until there is reformation ie repent of the antisemitism sins of the fathers – Western christianity is part of the problem and not of the solution and cant be used by God for the scriptural and historical gospel since “for Yshua / salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22

    ~Shalom

  13. So much power in baptism! After being truly saved at age 25 (dismissing what was told to me to do as a kid), I went into the water smoking 3 packs a day and came out of the water never wanting a cigarette again! Completely delivered!!!!!

  14. Andrew,
    I do not have any of the concerns that you raise. My concern is with the way that Torben is marketing this video, and books that he is producing. The Lord has convicted my wife and me that that which He is doing is NOT to be marketed in this way. Torben is insisting that we get back to the book of Acts, and I agree. The mighty acts of God were not marketed then, and, indeed were condemned! There is a “kingdom economy” that God is calling us to come under, and it involves giving and receiving, not buying and selling.

    I am copying a response that I sent to Torben about a week ago, but to which I have yet to receive a response:

    “I filled out your form and watched The Last Reformation, and received this short video with an invitation to donate. I also went to your website and found a DVD for sale. You make the point in The Last Reformation that “…the church came to America and became a business.” Is it not a business to exploit your viewers by asking for their name and email address for purposes of soliciting donations and selling goods. My dear brothers and sisters, the Kingdom of God is not about buying and selling, but about giving and receiving. I would urge you to prayerfully consider whether you are not prostituting YOURSELF by conducting business in the same way that the world does. This is not an angry email, nor does my response reflect in any way upon the content of the video. This is something that the Lord has been severely pressing upon my wife and I over the past few years. I understand that there are costs associated with the production of a movie. I also know that if God is in it, He will raise the funds through the principles of His Kingdom economy, and not through the marketing strategies of the world.

    Your brother in Christ”

  15. Quick followup to my last posting. I stated that “The mighty acts of God were not marketed then, and, indeed were condemned!” What I intended to say was that the MARKETING of these mighty acts was condemned.

  16. Just a comment, certainly not a criticism. I see Matthew 28 as a grant of authority. No one was actually getting baptized. So I say, “By the authority of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I baptize you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ …”

  17. I like what Torben does and agree with most of the teaching on the Pioneer School. I do have a few questions….I am not sure about taking people who are barely saved into the streets to heal the sick etc. It might be ok, but the laying on of hands is serious business. I have a friend who has been in the Luke Ten School, and we were talking the other day, and he said according to his understanding, he was “dirty” until he was baptized in water….the truth is that his life was completely transformed in an instant when he was born again. I have modified my outlook on baptism, and now recognize that it can be a very powerful thing, but it also remains a symbol of what HAS ALREADY HAPPENED in the heart. For my friend to say he was dirty until he was baptized made me feel sad. I told him that his new beginning started when he was born again. And I said that he died when he was born again…baptism is burial!! I also think there can be a danger of things becoming formulaic….being led by the Spirit is tougher…but what I am saying here are simply ‘cautions”. I like and respect Torben and what he is doing. One other question I have is that Jesus commands us to “make disciples”. I believe that what they are doing is largely training in evangelism. Making disciples looks different to me, and it is something we have been doing for many many years. We are all looking for “fruit that remains”….so the jury is still out and I believe and hope that Torben will continue to grow in his understanding and approach to ministry, as happens with all of us. To me, if people are getting saved then great….many who are healed never do get saved, just like in Jesus time. We are all learning and can glean from one another. I have gleaned much from Torben’s ministry, but it is only a piece of this great puzzle of being the church of Jesus Christ. Every joint supplies and we need the whole body….

  18. I absolutely agree with Andrew stressing that it’s all about Jesus and not a man (Torben), or anyone else. And there are no formulas with God. People seem to always like to build a box for him with “this is how God works”, written on it. After over 40 yrs. of migraines and hundreds of prayers for me, the Lord recently told me that there is something even greater than healing, which is to share in his suffering. He alone knows what, and how much, we can handle. We walk by faith!

    In the year 2000 the Lord gave me a powerful vision of an end-time revival here in the Fraser Valley, in Canada’s bible-belt. A few weeks ago He said, “but don’t touch the ark.” We all can see that we are indeed in the last days, and the Lord is doing some incredible final things to draw people to Himself. However, there is no formula; He is sovereign to do whatever, whenever, and however! In the case of our coming revival of the bible-belt church in there love for Jesus, He doesn’t want any person to be at the center. (Don’t touch the ark!) He simply wants us to be facilitators of the Holy Spirit, and then His Spirit alone will do the work. No man will be lifted up! He alone will get the full glory! In a very recent vision while in a prayer meeting, I saw a women get out of a wheelchair during our praise and worship time. No man/woman touched her or prayed for her. It was just His powerful presence healing her.

    We certainly are in the end-times. May Jesus alone be glorified!
    All 4 Jesus!
    Mario

  19. Thank you for allowing us to comment Andrew.

    Our group of friends meet once a week for Bible study. We are currently studying Matthew and why Jesus went about doing the works of God (miracles, healings, casting out, etc..). How on earth can we believe that Jesus is able to forgive our sins? We must see that He has the authority. Matthew 28: 17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19″Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,… ALL AUTHORITY.

    The concern for Torben and what he teaches is that he is trying to “sell Jesus”. As if saying, “Look, you can do these neat things too.” The power of God cannot come from a training, just as our salvation, it can ONLY come from God. From your article: “And now we are teaching others and they are seeing this “jump” take place in their own lives. A jump into Book-of-Acts Christianity.”

    The book of Acts clearly tells that it was only the apostles who God was using “heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons….” read Matthew 10 to see exactly who Jesus was sending out. Acts 2 “And awe came upon every soul, and many signs and wonders were being done through the apostles.” ACTS 5 12 Now many signs and wonders were regularly done among the people by the hands of the apostles. And they were all together in Solomon’s Portico. 13 None of the rest dared join them, but the people held them in high esteem. 14 And more than ever believers were added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women, 15 so that they even carried out the sick into the streets and laid them on cots and mats, that as Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on some of them. 16 The people also gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick and those afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all healed.”

    ACTS 8;18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

    You and Torben seem to be focusing on being able to “attain” something rather than a ONENESS with Jesus, looking only to Him for whatever He has for us, seeing Him more and more every day as He is revealed by God through the Holy Spirit. Christianity is all about Jesus and presenting Him as the only One able to forgive. As we come to know Him and trust Him and love Him and become one with Him, our relationship is as Paul relates in Gal. 2:20 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    Your excerpt from the article: “ It was like a ‘jump’ had taken place so that healings and other powerful things suddenly felt more ‘normal’ and more attainable. And now we are teaching
    others and they are seeing this “jump” take place in their own lives. A jump into Book-of-Acts Christianity.” The ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. I want a relationship with my Savior, not to seek the church we are told of from long ago. It seems as if you want to take us back to a model, Jesus Christ is the living God. As long as my relationship with Jesus is my priority and heart’s desire, I and others will be living as the church of Jesus Christ. Jesus will be our teacher. We should always be in awe when God chooses to use us in any way. It should not be normal. That would take away from the Almighty God He is. Yes, God heals today and we see His miracles everywhere. And as Jesus tells us in John 14;12 that greater works then He does will the believer do. “To ask in Christ’s name, is to plead his merit and intercession, and to depend upon that plea. The gift of the Spirit is a fruit of Christ’s mediation, bought by his merit, and received by his intercession.”
    I was not at all inspired by Torben’s video. In the Bible, those whom met Jesus met authority. They did not say a profanity after they were healed, they were in awe because they met that authority.

  20. L. Alex Smith Mar 9th 2016

    Mare, I appreciate much of what you just wrote, but there is another verse to consider– Mark 16:17-19. This encompasses ALL those who believe, not just the Apostles. And in James 5:14-15 it seems to be the elders of the church; but in verse 16 it seems to be everyone who prays fervently, effectually, and in righteousness.

  21. L. Alex Smith Mar 9th 2016

    Mario Alleckna, what do you think “Don’t touch the Ark” means? In the Old Testament, the Ark of the Covenant had been lost to the Philistines in the Battle of Aphek, but God’s presence in it had created plagues amongst them… so they sent it back on an ox-drawn cart. As it was proceeding into Israel, the oxen stumbled and Uzzah put out his hands to steady it– but God killed him on the spot for touching it. King David was present at the time.
    What can we learn through this?
    1)God had commanded in the Law, that the Ark bearing His Presence be carried on ‘staves’ –gold-covered wooden poles which went through rings mounted on either side of the Ark– by Levites. Even though King David was there, he was not having this done…. just yet.
    2)Yes. Do NOT touch it.
    Typology: the Presence of God was being ‘carried’ or ‘borne along’ by MAN’S system (the oxen & cart), not GOD’s way. Worse yet, a PAGAN system (sent from the demon-worshipping Philistines). King David was ‘letting it ride’, that is, allowing a pagan system to continue, even though the Ark (and God’s Presence with it) was a Holy Thing. Much of ‘churchianity’ has paganistic practises and trappings still within it. When Uzzah put forth his hand to steady it, one could say that ‘he was attempting to prop up a pagan system of transport’ i.e. to keep going something that was instrinsically NOT in God’s Will, and was ‘unsteady’ and likely to ‘derail the moving of God’s Spirit [i.e. Presence].
    So yes, Uzzah should not touch that Holy Thing at all– but at the cost of allowing the system of Man to fall to the ground… and GOD would have been responsible to ‘catch His own Box’ !
    Food for thought….?

  22. Tenney Singer Mar 9th 2016

    Thank you Andrew for posting about Torben. I have listened to all the Pioneer School lessons, and have now seen miracles of healing and provision through praying for people I meet. I no longer feel I have to wait for a “proper venue” to pray for people, but just lay hands on them whenever they ask for prayer. A blind lady regained her sight, arms that were painfully useless were instantly healed, backs that were bent and stooped straightened, migraine headaches disappeared, and many other incidents took place through prayer. Jesus is working through His people everywhere.
    Through your website I have learned of my two favorite ministries, Heaven’s Family, and The Last Reformation. Both have been life-changing experiences and continue to this day. I appreciate all you do to keep the Body of Christ informed and growing. Blessings to you and your family.

  23. Serenity Mar 9th 2016

    Thanks for sharing this ministry with us, Andrew.

    It seems clear to me that in these last days the child of God (or a seeker or family member) who needs physical healing, will only be safe in seeking healing from the Lord Himself. The healing offered by this present world system is so under the power of the adversary that one’s spiritual life and even physical life are in danger from hooking into the health system as it has become today.
    So this learning to minister in the power of the Holy Spirit is timely (and so overdue for some of us).

  24. Dear brother Andrew you know that I would openly challenge something I do not believe is correct, and not to discourage, but rather to encourage better things.

    I was not personally offended at the way Torben baptised, and am surprised that this has arisen as the controversy. However I did write to the “contact us” found on the website concerning his handling of the Book of Acts. There are blatant misquotations from the book and a particular one that stands out is when Paul is in Ephesus and baptises the 12.

    I, too, believe that we have separated baptism from its spiritual significance too far and have argued about this a long time. I have a simple means for teaching why it is correct to baptise in the name of Jesus and how it fulfils Jesus’ command in Matthew. However I will use either so as not to cause offense.

    My friends and heavenly family. What you see is the roots of the Pentecostal movement and the directive of heaven. I love street evangelists such ad Andrew and Torben, the Church needs them and I commend you to touch bases with them. Since my childhood I have stood beside such as these, even though they sometimes malign the church for using buildings and holding meetings. These things don’t matter to me. Like Jesus said of food… they are there for the using.

    Why are you just sitting in the pew in your church? If these things were happening in there the building could not contain the congregation. I know the system can sometimes cause a bottle neck, but it didn’t in the South African revival I was born in the midst of and we had both church buildings and did street evangelism.

    The church is a body: a living organism and we are all part of it. Its time to stand up and live the life of Christ that is within you.

  25. As I was reading this article my understanding of baptism kept popping back and forth between water baptism and spirit baptism because of the mixed terminology. Water baptism is a statement of repentance–washing the outside or cleansing to prepare for entrance into the Kingdom. The priests did it before entering the Holy Place. Spirit baptism is the anointing in the Spirit of YaHavah. This is the baptism of Jesus in his name because that is the only way the Spirit will come and that in a truly repentant heart. The Great Commission is not a formula for water baptism. In fact there is proof that Matthew did not include “in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” in his Gospel. It was added later, probably by the earliest Catholic Church, being well known for ritual. The Commission is to teach and disciple the nations about the whole truth of the first and second coming of Jesus, which includes teaching about the baptism in the Spirit to be reborn and enter the Kingdom of YaHavah. Certainly, baptize in water, but understand that baptism in Jesus name is in Spirit.
    When Jesus was baptized in water it was a priestly cleansing. He is our High Priest. When the dove descended and landed on him it was his Father’s anointing in the prophesied seven spirit anointing of Is. 11:1-5 to prepare him for his ministry. When YaHavah spoke from heaven it was confirmation of this fulfillment. Jesus is our example to follow. Rev. 5:6 tells us that the seven spirits went out into the world at Jesus’ glorification during the ten days between his ascension and the Day of Pentecost. The disciples received the same seven spirit anointing that Jesus received because the seven spirits are how YaHavah (the Comforter) teaches, edifies, and protects his own. I know this is a different concept than what most have been taught, and most may not accept it because they don’t know anything about the seven spirits. If you want to more about it go to http://www.freebiblepdf.com Peace and blessings to you and yours.

  26. Katy Servant Mar 9th 2016

    Been there,.. done that,… was convicted with a Godly sorrow that led to repentance.

    1. To market a so called “jump” is the same old charismatic gimmick of the Toronto Airport Vineyard and other “prophetic ministries” that God brought me out of 12 years ago.

    2. The entire bible stresses holiness and a relationship with God before anything else. Taking a class to get a “jump” is the wrong emphasis. I know this because I was apart of something like this for many years.

    3. If you are seeking God with your whole heart and obeying his commands every good thing will flow out of you.

    4. JESUS himself commands that we Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19 To have this scripture in your hand and disobey JESUS is dangerous at best ,..fatal at its worst.

    5. There can be NO marketing Jesus for profit. It is sin now and always has been sin.

    6. To sell something called “The Last Reformation” is arrogant and no where in the New Testament. That title implies elitism and special knowledge of the times outside of scripture.

    7. After watching all this for months I see that the old gnosticism of the “prophetic teachers” has just repackaged itself.

  27. wineskin Mar 9th 2016

    The above ^ comments from “mare” carry some of the most accurate observations and ministry I have heard in a long time.

    My thoughts: Our world of Christianity has grown into a huge and stagnant body of water—neither hot nor cold and pretty hard to swallow nowadays. It seems like any ripples of exciting freshness soon become contained and bottled with a new label and set of directions by some well-meaning Christian entrepreneur. Our Christian leaders and we followers have made a mess of things. God has us covered.

    I can appreciate the Torbins and Stroms and all Christians struggling within the vast sea of Christianity…but I myself am better off completely out of it’s tepid and tainted waters.

  28. Andrew Mar 9th 2016

    Goodness! What an extreme range of comments we invite when we open things up on here!

    Anyway – thanks for keeping the conversation civil, my friends.

    -Andrew

  29. One more concern I have had, based on my own experience of doing missionary work in Europe. We worked in drug rehab, as a means to reach the lost at a time when drug addiction and AIDS were rampant there. We would have, as an example, a group of young addicts saved and delivered from drugs from the town/city of Burgos. What we would do, was send a team to start a “drug house” in Burgos which would be a means of providing fellowship/discipleship for these young believers. In a place like Europe, finding bible believing Jesus followers is not easy. I believe that God Himself can take people and lead them along, but the NT shows people planted in areas and churches being started and growing that way. If people get saved/delivered in many European cities, then what is to happen to them? I would love to see teams sent out to see works established in the same cities where people are being kickstarted…..

  30. Harvey Rosieur Mar 9th 2016

    In Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead. Like Andrew I feel re-charged after watching Torben’s u-tube clips.We die with Christ through baptism and are raised anew with Him. I have no criticism of the way Torben does it. The actual words are not important (unless we say something which is incorrect.(Torben does not.)The important thing is he does it ! Why are we not doing it as wealso too are told to?.

  31. Chaplain Jim Dyer Mar 9th 2016

    I have been a Christian for 42 years now, have preached the gospel around the world, compliments of the US Navy and have always baptized one way, In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. This formula can be found in the book of Acts 2:38, the first message preached after the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus. No where in the Bible was anyone baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, BECAUSE the early Church knew the Name. So what is the Name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (plural titles). Let me continue, The Name of the Father (Elohim) can be spoken Lord, the Son (Jesus) and the Name of the Holy Ghost comes from the Greek word Christos (which means the anointed one, the messiah or the Christ). So the Name is the Lord Jesus Christ which was as you stated, follows Repentance. This was God’s exact plan (read Lk 24:45-47) and the early Church followed that plan until the devil de-nominated the church and put fences around their own methods of salvation. Time to get back on the old lpath, the right way.

  32. Greetings Andrew,

    There is one thing which struck me to which I think there needs to be a warning.

    Torban baptizes “in the name of Jesus” only; whereas you baptize in “the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” according to Matthew 28:19.

    The reason I think a warning is warranted is because we have a local group of “Jesus Only” believers, who do not believe in the Trinity. They believe that Jesus was the Father in the Old Testament, Jesus the Son on earth, and Jesus the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. They believe that God’s name ALWAYS should be JESUS and nothing else.

    When I tried to minister the truth of Scripture to them (e.g. showing them passages in which God plainly states, “My name is Jehovah;” and where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are clearly delineated as three individual personalities), there was a demonic expression of anger, stubbornness, and attack such as I have rarely seen. This culminated after the Lord had directed me to interact with them over the course of three months.

    As I dug into the Jesus Only Movement and learned more about it, I believe we, who follow the Christ of Scripture, need to be careful that we do not lay groundwork which the enemy could use to his advantage over young believers. Baptizing in the name of Jesus only opens a door to this deception and, locally, it has swayed those into it, who once believed in the Trinity.

    So, keep baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, my brother to help keep the young ones from getting sucked into this deception.

    Incidentally, Acts 19 demonstrates that it was normative to baptize in the name of all three in the godhead and that the Baptism in the Holy Spirit was a normative second experience – for ALL who believed. When Paul found believers in Ephesus who professed faith in the Messiah, he asked them if they’d received the Holy Spirit since they believed (which demonstrates that it was normative in the early church to follow faith in Christ with the baptism in the Holy Spirit – see Acts 8 also). When they proclaimed that they hadn’t even heard of a Holy Spirit, Paul asked them what baptism they’d been baptized with – because the early church baptized according to Matt. 28:19 and they would have at least heard of the Holy Spirit if they’d been baptized into Christ instead of John’s baptism.

    Anyways, God bless, my brother.

    Wayne

  33. Hi L. Alex Smith:
    Regarding the priest trying to steady the ark, although I see your point of a pagan system being propped up, I am leaning more in the direction of God saying, “Who do you think you are, trying to help me out? Do I need man to protect my glory?”

    I can absolutely see people rushing over to that priest and thanking him for protecting the ark. (Does that look like man being lifted up for doing something for God? Do we see this today?) And that’s just it: man getting credit and being lifted up for something that is the Lord’s. (After all, without Him we can do nothing of eternal value! Jn.15:5) People (incl. Christians), in their weakness of the flesh, so easily become followers of a man. (Just because we are Christians doesn’t mean we have resigned from humanity. Rom.7:15-19)

    That is why I believe the Lord told me that no man should touch the ark, i.e. try to help Him out. No man will be lifted up and getting any credit for anything during this revival. He will simply manifest His tangible presence during a time of just worshipping and praising Him. (2Chr.20) (The Lord delights in our praises from the heart. Matt.15:8) God alone will then get the glory for healing people because no one laid hands on anyone or even prayed for someone to be healed. It’s all just because of His presence.
    Again, I do not believe in any formulas, instead, I believe God is sovereign to do whatever He pleases. Unfortunately, even if Torben is the most humble guy, there will always be people who will lift him up, putting him on a pedestal. Many have served with great intentions to glorify Jesus. It’s not always their fault when people put them on a pedestal.
    What I have a problem with is that Torben seems to suggest that there is a formula, i.e. do this and then this will happen. Any formula, however, takes away from God’s sovereignty to do whatever, whenever, and through whomever. The great danger, especially when it comes to healing, is that, when people don’t get healed (formula doesn’t work), they might get turned off from Christianity. Worse yet: Some in the past were told that they are not healed because THEY lack faith. As if faith could be drummed up. (1Cor.12:9; Heb.12:2)

    As far as baptism: I do believe that it’s much more than just a symbolic act. I also believe the same to be true for taking communion. Both, baptism and communion, are acts of obedience (“… do this!”), and also acts of worship (Jesus, You are worthy.) Something happens in the Spirit realm when we get baptized or take communion.

    Bottom line: “The LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.” (1Sam.16:7)
     
    Blessings to you and your house,
    Mario

  34. Andrew Mar 10th 2016

    Hi Wayne. Actually I baptize in BOTH ways together.

    I baptize people in the “name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit – in the name of JESUS CHRIST.”

    This is to stop disputes like this.

    Also I feel the name of JESUS is important to speak over someone in baptism

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  35. Andrew Mar 10th 2016

    MARIO wrote: “As far as baptism: I do believe that it’s much more than just a symbolic act. I also believe the same to be true for taking communion. Both, baptism and communion, are acts of obedience (“… do this!”), and also acts of worship (Jesus, You are worthy.) Something happens in the Spirit realm when we get baptized or take communion.”

    Well said, Mario.

    I strongly agree – on both counts.

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  36. Pastor Wayne makes a great point here. The devil is certainly very crafty (Ez.28:12). I agree that the name, Jesus, by itself can be a counterfeit jesus, seeing that this name is quite common in Spanish/ South American cultures. It might sound picky, but Jesus Christ would be safer than just Jesus. (There’s power in the tongue, and the spoken word (Name) carries possibly an anointing (positive or negativ).
    I think Andrew’s “good ol’ way to involve the whole Trinity is certainly safe.

    Blessings,
    Mario

  37. That signs and wonders in the name of Jesus are appearing in these days is a wonderful thing. If He is being glorified by the fruits of them then the Holy Spirit is involved.

    However, when He is glorified in His People they became the same as Him in what they do. He glorified the Father.

    The Believers in the first recorded New Covenant Kingdom of God prayer meeting in Acts 4’29-30 called on the Father to:

    “grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

    We need to remember that “… our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ, John said in his first letter (ch1,v3). The Anointing, Holy Spirit, is within us crying “Abba, Father”.

    The Kingdom way is: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen”. 2 Corinthians 13’14.

    The mind of first Spirit-filled Saints is expressed in Romans 1’7: “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ”.

    Hence, all Christ-gloriying signs and wonders are the will of the Father, by the Spirit. The same regarding the powerful things that occur in Believers when they are immersed in water and the Holy Spirit.

    To the glory of God the Father.

  38. Andrew Mar 10th 2016

    Baptizing in the name of “Jesus Christ” is what I have seen practiced in those cases.

  39. Regards Alex .Smith on the usage of the Name of the Lord Jesus used in water baptism, I had heard, years ago that the church had only ever used the Name of Jesus in water baptism too, and was given the historical reference, so heads up on the Eusubius thing.
    There certainly is confusion in the Body of Christ as to the mode of water baptism and its purpose. I think this stems from the fact that we have not tied the Scriptures together on the subject: viz., Acts 2:38 says that water baptism is for the remission of sins. Yet we clearly see in Matthew 26 that it is the Blood of Jesus which remits sin! So does that make Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 wrong?! I sought the Lord about it years ago and He showed me the answer so simply! First off in Acts 22:16 we read, “And now why do you wait? Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on the Name of the Lord!”
    Okay: this is where its tough for many of you: “How on earth can water baptism wash away sins when it is only the Blood of Jesus can do that?!” Answer given, read on.
    Did you ever wonder why the big rush to baptize a person as soon as they repented? 3,000 baptized in Acts 2, soon as they believed and repented. Then in Acts 16 we see that the Jailer and his family were baptized around midnight: as soon as they believed and repented. Then we see in Acts 10:48 Cornelius and a large number of people (family, relatives and friends,) had all received the Holy Ghost the moment they believed. They were still speaking in tongues when it says, “Peter commanded them to be baptized in the Name of the Lord.”
    Then, as quoted, we see that in 22:16, Ananias had only just turned up and prayed for Paul (Saul) to receive his sight and receive the Holy Ghost, when he says, “Now why do you wait?! Get up and be baptized..”

    WHY THE BIG HURRY?

    When we are baptized into the Name of the Lord, our sins are washed away!
    The apostles had received teaching from Jesus for 50 days after His resurrection. They knew what to do!
    Which brings us back to Acts 2:38 and Matthew 26 (remission of sins.) The thing that has most stumped.

    The Blood of Jesus is not applied at repentance and faith alone! But in water baptism.

    HERE IT IS: The water becomes (to God,) symbolic of the Blood of Jesus!

    In James 4 we are taught that there is a corresponding action for faith. It also says that faith without works is dead. What is the corresponding action for faith in Jesus Christ? True repentance and water baptism.

    The water becomes symbolic of the Blood of Jesus in water baptism.

    But because of the confusion over: “How can water wash away sins?”( that we’ve all heard,and maybe had ourselves,) the church made up a new doctrine that says, “It is an outward show of an inward decision (or inward work, etc.).” That is not true. The Ethiopian would have been better not to get baptized out in the Gaza desert, were that the case! He and Phillip would have gone to the nearest town and done it publicly!
    It was done swiftly: immediately after a confession of faith in Jesus and the Gospel, and repentance, in the days of the apostles. No 6-week lessons or boring endless talks that neutralize the power of water baptism.
    Immediately!
    We are coming back to that.
    We cannot have the power of the apostles, without their doctrine!

  40. To Mario Alleckna: I understand what you are saying here brother, but you need not fear. When we invoke the Name of Jesus over a person, be it for water baptism, healing or deliverance..the demons know whom we mean! God who sees our hearts, also knows whom we mean! People get tangled up in fear even over using the Name of Jesus at all! Some say it is the name of the god Zeus, others say that because it is not the proper Hebrew pronunciation (viz., Yahoshua, or Yashua or Yeshua – the latter two being abbreviations of the former,) that somehow people will get a demon! No they wont! I have cast out many demons from people without adding “Christ” (Anointed One,) at the end: those demons know full well, I am not referring to some Mexican sitting under a shade tree wearing a sombrero!
    Same thing in healings and when I baptize.
    They are not so foolish as to not know to Whom we refer.
    The Name of Jesus is the Name that is above every other Name.
    Father is not a Name, Son is not a name, nor is Holy Ghost: these are three manifestations of One God.
    The Name that is above every other Name is JESUS!
    Never be afraid to use His Name. Dont waste time adding “the anointed One,” (unless you are in Mexico worshiping and praising the Lord! 😉
    God bless you brother.

  41. Llewelyn: “However I did write to the “contact us” found on the website concerning his handling of the Book of Acts. There are blatant misquotations from the book and a particular one that stands out is when Paul is in Ephesus and baptises the 12.”
    I am not asking this to be confrontative at all, but you cause uneasiness with that statement. Its like saying, “There is something really bad going on, but I don’t want to alarm you by telling you what!”
    Please tell us all plainly WHAT it is that are the “blatant misquotations” that Torben purportedly made. I am concerned about it and I would love to hear them.
    Not to be argumentative, but to decide for myself whether they are misquotes or not.

    After all, none of us here want to be deceived.
    Thank you.

  42. Andrew Mar 10th 2016

    Torben’s handling of Acts 19 certainly seemed pretty “normal” to me. (The “quotation” in question).

    -Andrew Strom

  43. Elspeth R Hunt Mar 10th 2016

    Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am of the same mind. I don’t necessarily want to join another movement (but then again, I don’t really want to do ‘normal’ sanitised church) but I have really got alot out of watching the film and feel inspired. I have been evangelising on the streets for a while now, and on the odd occasion am brave enough to ask the person if they want prayer for healing. But I have not felt very confident on that side of things. However, after watching this, I am enthused about doing it. I asked several people on the streets in the last couple of days and no-one wanted prayer. Maybe it says something about society that people not only don’t think they are spiritually sick, but they don’t think they are physically unwell when they are (two had canes) Oh well, at least I tried! I am sorry I missed the kickstart weekend. Does anyone know of any other event(it doesn’t have to be in Australia) Maybe a part of the globe where people sort of know they need prayer!

  44. Elspeth R Hunt Mar 10th 2016

    Katy servant, on what basis do you make the statement that Torben is ‘marketing Jesus for profit’?? Do you mean that the people who get healed actually pay for the healing?? Or maybe in actual fact he is a prosperity preacher who flies around in his own plane. Please clarify!! Also, your comment regarding the ‘old gnosticism of the prophetic teachers’ I am not quite sure what aspect of gnosticism he is promoting. If you don’t believe that the gifts of the Spirit are operative today, then I feel sorry for you! I feel its pointless to argue with people who have that view. It’s unbiblical and flies in the face of reality! Torben is NOT perfect, and his theology is not perfect. But name someone who is or was?? Maybe Luther, the pin up boy for the old reformation,who hated Jews and incited violence.
    If Torben is confronting and challenging culturally contained complacent Christians, then its a good thing! Having done the church thing for the last 20 odd years, I’m over it! God’s motto is NOT, ‘if it aint broken, don’t fix it’. It’s far more radical-If it ain’t burning, burn it up!

  45. “In the authority of of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, so in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I baptize you into His death and resurrection.”…. When they come up from the water, “now by faith in the name of the Son of God, receive the Holy Spirit”.

    For me it is not a formula, just biblical facts that the exercised authority can acted from the Word by faith.

    Also, Torben is just following what the Holy Spirit is speaking to many around the earth to those that have ears to hear.

  46. L. Williscroft: Thank you brother for your reply. No fear here! I was just picking up on what Pastor Wayne had written, and I understand what you are saying: the Lord sees our hearts, and to whom we are praying. However, I think we should not forget that there is power in a Name. “No other Name by which we must stand!” “Jesus Christ, the Name above all Names.”

    On a side-note: During my 30 some years as a follower of the Way I have seen people getting baptized but then end up walking away from the faith. Worse yet: I have seen a young guy getting baptized, prayed and prophesied over, and then 1 year later he stabbed a girl and threw her off a mountain. As we’ve seen in Toben’s movie, unless demons are dealt with they might still hide in that person?

    Andrew, what’s your take on that?

    Blessings,
    Mario

  47. unless demons are dealt with they might still hide in that person

    unless SIN is dealt with as well as the demons……
    there will be no true change.
    IF you BELEIVE with your WHOLE heart
    phillip TOLD the eunuach, ye may be baptized…..
    lots get baptized that don’t really believe yet……..
    I believe I will go and watch the film.
    anyway I thought marco did bring up a good point.

  48. So many want the early church…………..the gifts etc
    AND what a blessing it all is………
    all for the glory of GOD.
    yet………………when it comes to Walking as did the early church
    that is often a matter not DONE….
    I mean they just cant seem to get their hopes only on HIM
    above ONLY on HIM
    and just give away them earthly riches for the sake of the poor
    so that all can be and have all things common.
    WHY IS THAT LEFT OUT of so many teachings………
    WHY NOT FOCUS ON THAT as WELL as MUCH.
    till the heart is above…………IT AINT above………
    GO now…………………if we truly desire
    to be as were those true men of GOD
    have your hope set above
    give, give , give to the poor
    and store NOT HERE………..but rather above….
    PREACH THAT TOO>

  49. To answer the question asked of me concerning Acts 19. Torben said that the twelve had not been baptised… they had, in John’s baptism. Also they are called “believers”. [As I recall when I watched the movie, correct me if I’m wrong.]

    The problem with such mishandling of the Word is it leads to doubts and questions later that can cause unbelief.

    There is a mishandling of the Book of Acts when we apply Acts 2:38 as an exclusive formula for baptism [formulas don’t bother me very much. If you want to use them, go ahead]. One must take the whole counsel of Scripture into consideration. In the movie I see the Book of Acts being interpreted through this single verse and do not see any indication that it is meant to be. Nor is the phrase Peter used on every occasion people are commanded to be baptised.

    I came under attack when I shared the movie with my dad who said, “I do not believe in baptismal regeneration [that you are only saved if you are baptised]. When I sought meaning he referred to Torben’s act of saying, “Sin die, flesh die.” I did not share his view but it hindered constructive conversation about what the Lord is doing today.

    Quite honestly I do not know if Torben believes in baptismal regeneration or not and haven’t asked him.

    I did not come to cirticize what is being done. I love seeing people saved, it is my greatest joy and I will continue to share the movie with others with this intention.

    God bless you all

  50. Andrew Mar 10th 2016

    Llewellyn – The point that is very clear in Acts 19 is that John’s baptism was NOT the same as a baptism in the name of Jesus. Every single Bible scholar that I know of would agree with Torben on that. It is very clear.

    Torben handles those verses exactly the same as I or any other preacher.

    I have an entire book on this topic that goes in depth into all these passages. It is called “The Sinner’s Prayer – Fact or Fiction?”

    It is available all over the Net.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  51. Llewelyn: I appreciate your concern re: “baptismal regeneration.” From all I have seen of Torbens videos and his Pioneer School teaching, he definitely does not believe in baptismal regeneration (BR.) BR originated with the Roman catholic church when they decided babies could be baptized.
    Torben believes a person must have already repented and believed the Gospel for they are baptized.
    I don’t think they showed the people in repentant prayer, prior to the baptisms in the movie; though we did see evidence of repentance with the lady who had had an abortion and the Asian lady toward end of movie.
    He is a very strong preacher of repentance of all sin.
    I do not believe he would allow anyone to be baptized who had not turned their back on their old life and decided to follow Jesus the rest of their life.
    You would probably need to see his Pioneer School to confirm that though. I have only watched snippets of his PS, but might get time to watch more. Your dad needs to see these also. God bless you brother.

  52. Hi.You know I have read about reformations,revivals,awakenings,what ever we call it.but I had never seen it until now.I can see now, how the church in the book of acts increased greatly.and also that from glory to glory he wants to change me. Not by me sitting in a pew listening to sermons year after year, and not acting on what I have heard,But being the hands and feet of Jesus.My faith has increased as well as other brothers and sisters in the Lord who have watched Jesus work through the Sondergaards and their fellow workers in the video.The water baptism is awsome,and you don,t have to wait a month or more to be baptised,and there is no certificate to follow. Water baptism is suppose to be a wittness to people that you have died with Christ and come up a new man alive in Christ.And what did John the baptist say when he dunked Jesus in the Jordan….I think only God spoke….This is my son in whom I am well pleased.Brother and sisters in Christ This may be our last wake up call.

  53. Let there be Light wrote: “…lots get baptized that don’t really believe yet…”

    That’s quite a statement considering that, before someone gets baptized, they generally have made a commitment to Christ and attended a congregation or youth-group for quite a while. The idea to immediately get baptized, although Scriptural, is not very common today. Then there is the whole issue with people like the guy on the cross next to Jesus, or someone on his death-bed in a hospital, or someone who dies in an African nation where it hasn’t rained in years, and where there isn’t even enough drinking-water let alone water for baptisms. Are such a person’s sins still “washed” away when they honestly received Christ?

    Blessings,

    Mario

  54. Bob Manditch Mar 11th 2016

    Hi Andrew,
    Having seen and enjoyed the movie I completely agree with your comments. Unfortunately there will always be the theological “experts” who will criticise this because it doesn’t fit in to their particular vision.
    Your scriptural and rational answer to these folk was gentle and to the point as befits a teacher in Christ per 2 Timothy 2:25-26.
    Blessings,
    Bob

  55. Andrew Mar 11th 2016

    Yes. It is a great shame that people today do not have baptism fully explained so it is as POWERFUL as it should be.

    It is also a shame that it is not done straight away like in Acts.

    We are missing out on such a lot.

    Blessings,

    Andrew Strom

  56. Robert Marquez Mar 11th 2016

    My wife, 11 year old son and I just watched the movie. When it was over my 11 year old said he wanted the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. We laid hands on him and asked the Holy Spirit to fill him up. As soon as we laid hands on him he began to sob. My wife and I prayed in tongues over him and soon my 11 year old son was speaking in tongues as well. After about ten minutes of us all praying and speaking in tongues, my son said, “Wow, I wanted it but wasn’t really expecting that”. Its time we get our “believers” fixed. Praise the Lord!

  57. I thought it was a very powerful film. Repentance and confession of sin, the power of God at work and people being baptized with understanding as to why.

    The Holy Spirit is what gives us the motivation to seek Him, Receiving it by the laying on of hands, into a clean vessel, from day one sounds right and explains a lot, I think, about what has happened in Christendom. The lack of power and lives that are not being transformed.

    In the book of Acts, all gatherings were in community, not hidden away in a ‘church’ building. Everyone was seeing lives transformed, the power of the Holy Spirit at work healing and transforming lives. Acts 4:31-33 “And great grace was upon them all.”

    I have sought God on this very thing and believe there is power in the number of believers together in one place. Scripture even says, where two or three are gathered together…we are not meant to be loners in the Father’s business.

    Without the named ‘movement’, I’d say it should be everyday Christianity. Speaking true repentance and forgiveness of sins, first and foremost. Sounds amazing!

  58. Andrew Mar 11th 2016

    Robert – that is such a wonderful testimony, my friend

    Glory to God!

    Andrew

  59. Hi Andrew, very interesting. and the comments,
    I would sooner have the heart of the person being baptised in the right condition than an argument about what the person baptising actually says.
    There are many sadly who name his “name” and yet they have no idea What His name “renown” to Love, know, follow, obey, tech preach in His name entails.
    repentance “think again” – reassess the situation of your life and with sincerity desire it to change
    Water baptism a burial ceremony, with the view to be immediately baptised in the Spirit. John 3 5-6 Thus buried with and resurrected with Him.
    The one concern i have is that these new babe’s in Christ are taught sound doctrine I am increasingly of the opinion that in the same way a baby learns from its natural parents is a good way for the spiritual babe to learn of Jesus – emulate His thought, speech, deads. What thinkest thou Andrew? The apprentice at the feet of the Master?
    Pr Michael

  60. Andrew Mar 11th 2016

    Yes – “apprentice” is a great word for that

    Bless you!

    Andrew

  61. I wanted to write to you concerning this new claim that things that are being done in street evangelism are “the Book of Acts” but are clearly not so. Yes, people are healed; yes people are saved and baptised; yes people are filled with the Holy Spirit, and all these are good things that can be found recorded in the Book of Acts but the manner in which the ministry is carried out is vastly different. Not wrong, but different and we need to be honest about that.
    Let us look at the recent movie titled “The Last Reformation” and see how the ministry is operated since it is constantly quoted, “This is the Book of Acts.”
    Is it? How do they compare?
    In the movie we are encouraged to “get out into the streets” because that’s the way they did it in the Book of Acts. Did they really? That’s not what I read.
    Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
    Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

    What was Paul’s manner? It was to go to the synagogues, not to the streets. No doubt there was not a synagogue in every place, but you cannot say you are doing things as in the Book of Acts while you are ignoring and despising the houses of faith. Read… after Paul had an altercation with the Jews and declared that he was going to the gentiles, he still attended the synagogue first wherever he found one. Even in Athens Paul is in the synagogue first and then also in the streets.
    The movie is not an accurate and living exegesis of the Book of Acts, and doesn’t even come close, but that does not mean that it is not a work of the Holy Spirit.
    I will tell you right now that God has told me there are many to be saved in Forbes NSW Australia and I would love to have Torben and Andrew here, and I would walk with them gladly. I pray daily for such labourers for the harvest.
    My brothers and sisters, I was caught up into the highest heavens regarding this and you know no man can enter there on his own ability or merit, only in the Holy Ghost and faith in the name of Jesus Christ. May God revive us all with such boldness in declaring the gospel. Let each one do that which God has given them ability for.
    And I do wish that people would stop calling me a theologian, I have no university education.
    May all love be bestowed upon you
    Llewelyn.
    I am waiting for the arrival of your book, Andrew. I ordered it on Amazon.

  62. there is the whole issue with people like the guy on the cross next to Jesus, or someone on his death-bed in a hospital, or someone who dies in an African nation where it hasn’t rained in years, and where there isn’t even enough drinking-water let alone water for baptisms. Are such a person’s sins still “washed” away when they honestly received Christ
    YOU KNOW THEY ARE ……………..it has been said
    BY JESUS himself to the man on the cross
    who could never be water baptized
    YE SHALL BE WITH ME TODAY IN PARADISE…….
    I hope none argue that .
    however…….if one is able
    they should be water baptized
    as peter told the others
    is there water HERE that these can be baptized
    who have received the spirit as well as we …..
    IF ONE CAN BE water baptized they SHOULD
    if not………then they wont be.
    but if POSSIBLE they should be.

  63. more people than you think
    of youth or others
    will go and get water baptized…..some just because it was
    the parents desire……
    others will make the walk to the front of the church
    because they felt that HAD TOO,
    that was what I meant by many who get water baptized
    know not what they do.
    most also have come to an image of CHRIST
    one preached in todays churches.
    most churches oft today……………….fish for men
    by CARNAL WAYS……….
    example
    if you come to JESUS all your problems will go away
    or you will have more…..
    most aer coming to JESUS for material or worldy reasons
    NOT THE DIRE NEED TO BE SAVED
    because lets face it
    who has heard in most churches of today
    the dire NEED to REPENT of anything……
    no…………that would run folks off
    so they are coming to JESUS
    not because they know the NEEED a savoir
    but rather so they can have some pleasure in life fulllfilled
    most have come by the WAY SIDE………..
    till we get back the message to REPENT and believe
    until we speak by the SPIRIT
    and let man KNOW he needs a savoir
    and that there is a GOD who will judge the world
    and until a man sees himself as in dire need of a savoir
    and this means he must deeply KNOW he is a sinner………
    if not………………..why does he truly feel the need to be saved at all.
    the message NEEEDS TO CHANGE back to what it first was……
    all men are evil………………none are righteous
    the evil will perish , and thus WE NEED A SAVOIR who saves
    us from our own evil……….
    this whole approach NEEDS to be again
    like it was in the days of paul, or CHRIST himself
    or the true men of GOD
    who spoke trembling, who spoke in gravity
    WHEN THEY SPOKE the ones who heard
    KNEW they were sinners and they KNEW they needed to repent
    and believe in the one who GOD did send in order to have
    hope of eternal life
    jTHEN once they are brought into the fold
    GOOD BIBLE DOCTRINE MUST BE FED AT ALL TIMES
    this comforts and cares in life gospel
    this pride of who me or my baby gonna be……..NEEDS TO END.
    till we preach RIGHT…………….we don’t FISH RIGHT.
    and they catch men……………….but only by worldy bait
    and thus only to an image of CHRIST which never saves a soul
    but rather leaves one in darkness of sin .
    THIS MUST CHANGE NOW.

  64. THIS is why……….this is why we have the generation we have TODAY……………they can sing , they can tell of good works
    but they know not they are sinners
    or if they say they are……they THINK its no big deal
    to reamin in sin…………….
    sure they talk about gifts ,tongues, etc
    BUT they KNOW NOTHING about the keeping the body
    under subjection ……….
    their is no fear of GOD before their eyes
    and the fear of the LORD is to depart from evil
    BUT SINCE evil is not preached
    and instead since this has went on so long
    you know have gays , yes gays laying hands on others
    to receive jesus…..YET they think they SIN NOT………
    DELUSION has HIT THE LAND and the CHURCHES
    like never before
    CORRECTION is no longer been seen…….
    LEAVEN has filled the churches and the land to the full……..
    till now
    they no longer hide their sin
    THEY CELEBRATE IT IN JESUS NAME
    and say we have done no evil……
    CORRECT or quit teaching.
    cause no man has any place as any leader
    let alone a member
    if he sins , repents not, and teaches others
    ITS ALL GOOD < GOD IS LOVE………
    THE problem with the church and most
    is they have no idea what they have lost
    let alone they are still lost………NO CLUE.
    and NO one is correcting them….
    in fact if you love one………………..and your words offend one
    then you don't walk in love.
    GOODNESS this has got to cease and now.
    real grave men need to stand again
    PEOPLE need to Know they NEEED JESUS
    in order to be saved.
    they need to know that JESUS is not the minisitir of sin……
    most need to go back and reread them letters and what JESUS said……………..then FOLLOW THAT EXAMPLE.
    cause satan lies
    the world don't need to hear truth a NEW and different way
    to reach a new and different generation………
    HE LIES.
    WHAT was good for the early church is GOOD FOR TODAY.
    and the precepts of men and their teachings need to cease.
    no matter what one believes,
    because of what has occurred in the churches and the land
    over the past fifty years or so……..
    and the simple truth that the message to repent
    or the need to correct has been ceased.
    this world has grown very vile in the absence of TRUE GOSPLE
    preaching and living…..
    and now since the land and churches are on a path
    on non repentance
    the WEAPON IS BEING FORMED TO COME AGAINST
    the church……….
    JUDGEMNT COMES and much sooner than most realize…..it will
    be on us before most kNOW IT…….
    its already in place , laws have been changed…….
    the weapon is ready ………………..
    and most have no idea its coming much less that it is even
    now at the doors………..

  65. Ponder this at the very least……
    who hear has heard or seen the revelations that paul did see……
    who also said how he often spoke with tongues……..
    WHo has been beaten for the sake of the gospel as paul was
    in this day and age on this SITE>………
    probably none………..
    YET………..here is what MOST DONT SEE>…….
    EVEN this man paul, who had done by and in the grace of GOD
    all that he did for the sake of the gospel
    still SAID THIS VERY THING
    I bring my body under subjection LEST I even after I have
    preached the gospel to many………………I STILL BE CAST OUT
    SIN IS SIN……………..and we cannot think its okay
    in any PART OF OUR WALK
    and thus the others NEED TO HEAR and KNOW THIS TOO.
    GRAVITY is long gone…..
    THe church of today may still in part focus on evantelizing
    though less and less this is……
    they have no idea what SPIRIT they serve, for many walk after the flesh and if they even teach out against some sin
    they make sure that it seems like not a salvational issue
    but at most…………you may not get all you desire frojm GOD
    approach………this is dung,
    it wont work……………most men who don’t fear to sin
    WILL SIN without fear of doing so……..
    THE CALL of let ALL who name the name of CHRIST depart
    from iniquity needs to replace
    this common mindset of ……….quit judgining gods knows we
    cant stoop sinning he gives grace he understands etc.
    SOUNDS SO DIFFERENT than JESUS who said
    now go an sin NO MORE
    or like paul who said what I said above.
    YOU SEE
    the early church true apostels knew two things
    ONE IS……………..the NEED for and the DIRE NEED FOR CHRIST. and that in HIM all , ALL things are possible.
    thus they COULD SAY
    let all who name the name of CHRIST depart from iniqiuity
    that was not an elective one could choose to do or not do…..
    IT WAS A COMMAND……….
    AND IT NEEDS TO BE AGAIN>

  66. “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” 1 Thess. 5:21

    “Regarding the above text: It enjoins the duty of fundamental and thorough inquiry on religious subjects. It requires us to know the reason of our faith and practice so that our piety may not be superstition, but the result of intelligent conviction arising from thorough investigation.

    In order to fulfill this requirement, the mind must be free from prejudices on religious subjects. So long as prejudices exist in any mind, it is impossible to examine religious opinions with a spirit of obedience toward this subject. All its views will be perverted in the proportion it is uncandid and prejudiced.” Charles Finney

    Here’s An Extract From Andrew Strom from “THE 5 KEYS TO DISCERNMENT ”

    So how do you avoid being deceived in this way?
    Very simply, you do not go along to these meetings in a “gullible”
    frame of mind. And you do not allow yourself to be carried along
    with the crowd. You listen carefully to the preaching and make
    sure that it truly is Biblical. Then you watch the ministry happening
    down the front of the meeting and discern whether it really is of
    God or not. You do not “override” any feelings of unease or any
    ‘alarm bells’ going off inside you. And you do not allow yourself to
    be swayed by ‘peer pressure’. Even if the whole church is getting
    into something, it does not mean that you have to. If you do not
    feel quite “right” about it then DO NOT GET INVOLVED. If you
    need to, make some excuse and get out of there! You do not have
    to get involved in things that do not feel spiritually “right” to you.”

    What is very much missing from Torben’s video and your support of Torben’s video is the fear and awe of the presence of God. Instead, there seems too much effort to defend his video. God does not need us to defend Him as we would a man (John 10:37-38). We are required to defend our faith in God. Even the testimony of the 11 year old’s father about their son’s reaction to receiving the baptism lacked the fear and awe that comes from being immerse in the Spirit of God Almighty. Is it possible to be baptized and take it so lightly? And also watching a movie and then wanting what you saw in the movie. I wasn’t there and I do not know the people that wrote.

    “Why didn’t the rest dare to join them? Because they weren’t right enough with God and people, just like most ‘Christians’ today. They weren’t walking in “perfect love” so their “perfect love casted out all fear (James)” to be able to rest in confidence in the manifest presence of the HOLY Spirit.

    “When I received the Holy Ghost Baptism it was like waves of glory going through and through me. I literally bellowed out the unutterable gushes of my heart. If this continues I will surely die, but I had no fear of death.” Charles Finney

    FINNEY’S PREACHING

    “I had not spoken to them in this strain of direct application more than a quarter of an hour, when all at once an awful solemnity seemed to settle down upon them. The congregation began to fall from their seats in every direction and cry for mercy. If I had had a sword in my hand I could not have cut them off their seats as fast as they fell. Indeed, nearly the whole congregation was either on their knees or prostrate in less than two minutes from this first shock that fell upon them. Everyone who was able to speak at all prayed for himself.” (“Brownsville, Pensacola – ‘Toronto’ Or Not?”, by Andrew Strom.)

    “There was mixture at IHOP. Holiness was an option, not a necessity for those who are God’s children, so many opted out; though, they wanted the blessing of being in God’s fullness while still being too fully in the world — not having even been told to get right with their neighbors so God could come.”

    God works among His people who are given to Him. “And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.” Mark 16:20
    “The words of the wise are like goads, and like nails firmly fixed are the collected sayings; they are given by one Shepherd. My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

    The end of the matter: all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.” Ecclesiastes 12:11-14

  67. L. Alex Smith Mar 11th 2016

    L. Williscroft, in addition to using “the Name which is above every name” as the Disciples certainly did in baptism and in healing, and in casting out demons, I’ve read that when Augustine came to the southern shores of Britain, there were 1200 Celtic Christian monks there to greet him. BUT– he demanded that they give up the “old way” of baptising in the name of Jesus, and baptise in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost… and when they would not bow the knee to Rome and acknowledge the supremacy of the Pope– he had them SLAUGHTERED.
    Add that to my first comment that Matthew 28:19 had been ALTERED to its present configuration, but that Eusebius had personally handled very old manuscripts in the Library of Caesarea (I think it was, if I remember this rightly) that possibly included the ORIGINAL one that Matthew actually wrote– or a direct copy of it! (that says “baptising them in my name”). Plus, although we do not today possess any mss. earlier than the 300’s and 400’s (because in the late 200’s, Emperor Diocletian had them all destroyed), early church leaders of the 100’s and 200’s QUOTE Matthew 28:19 “baptising them in my name”…which means, those mss. that DID exist prior to Diocletian’s destruction, had it THAT way, not the “modern” way.
    But actually KILLING fellow Christians, because they wanted to keep on doing it the “right way” ….!
    That’s like the early Anabaptists being DROWNED by Lutherans who couldn’t accept that Baptism actually means “immersion” and that you need to Repent and Believe (something babies are incapable of conceiving in their wee minds)….

  68. Let there be Light wrote: “…who has heard in most churches of today
    the dire NEED to REPENT of anything, no that would run folks off…; this is why we have the generation we have TODAY…, they can sing , they can tell of good works but they know not they are sinners or if they say they are……they THINK its no big deal.”

    Sad truth! To preach repentance and the fear of the Lord is not very popular in an environment created for comfort. God has been turned into the eternal vending-machine where we throw in a quick prayer and out comes the blessing.

    Statistic: 85% of North American Christian will become backsliders! Leaders are more concerned with quantity than quality of believers. More people=more money! (Although we might not agree with every detail about the movie, to his credit, Torben is talking about the need for repentance.)

    I must agree with Llewelyn that this “movement” is far from a copy of the church of Acts, but I do believe that the Lord is doing something in many parts of the world! The simple reason is that we are getting so very close to His return. Almost all prophecies re. His second coming, which is mentioned 8x more often in Scripture than His first, have been fulfilled. http://www.eternal-productions.org/101prophecy.html

    Personally: As I mentioned earlier, in the yr. 2000 He gave me a strong vision of a revival in the Fraser Valley, Canada.

    “It will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.” (Joel2:28; Acts2:17)

    There are no “formulas”; God is sovereign! Let’s not try to build a box for our Lord. He is far too BIG to fit into any box! Instead, let’s test the spirit behind what we see. (1Jn.4:1)

    “People judge by outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.” (1Sam.16:7)

    Blessings,
    Mario

  69. As a side note: I baptize people in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, our Lord Jesus Christ.

  70. You say that the early church preached in the synagogues first, THEN the streets.
    Well natch, because Christianity was a “new” faith back then. It was necessary that the Gospel be preached firstly in the synagogues to those who sought the Lord. You cannot say that it is not Book of Acts simply because people to go out into the public places: streets, shopping malls etc.
    If Peter and Paul and others in the early church were here today, they would be out in the public places sharing the Gospel. Jesus used to preach to multitudes by the sea-side, in the wilderness, on his way to other towns, sitting by a well..where-ever there is a thirsty soul.
    We don’t need to nit-pick over trivial details such as whether it is correct to say it is like Acts brother, to go into the streets. No offence intended.
    Even if that were error, its hardly worth worrying about, after all they are doing the job.
    But I concede it is like Acts and certainly like the way Jesus ministered.
    Just go out and do thou likewise, would be my advice.
    God bless.

  71. PS: THE ABOVE LETTER WAS FOR LLEWELYN

  72. L.Alex Smith
    Thank you for that historical account. It certainly shows the spirit behind those who reject the Name of Jesus Christ in baptism! Augustine was a chief among Romes’ boys and the Lutherans were still under the influence of Rome too (RCC.)
    I read, (will have to find it) that a pope once said that everyone who has had the Catholic formula “Father, Son and Holy Ghost” in water baptism spoken over them, belongs to the RCC!
    I think that is wishful thinking on their part, but they openly admit that they changed the formula from “In My Name” (in Matt 28:19) to the titles.
    The RCC did a study in 1986 to find out how water baptism historically, was carried out, they found out that it was always only done in the Name of the Lord Jesus, until they had changed it. But with their fantasy re: the infallibility of the popes, no doubt they decided that even if it is non-Biblical to use the titles, they should accept whatever the RCC fathers had decreed.

    I do believe it is important and Scriptural to have the Name of Jesus Christ invoked in baptism, in order to have remission of sins; however, I also know that the Lord looks on the hearts and if a person is ignorant of this, (usually a new convert about to be baptized, and trusting the pastor or churchs’ advice,) and are not baptized into the Name of Jesus for remission of sins, that He would in no wise reject them or not save them for that! If we had to “cross every ‘t’ and dot every ‘i’ in order to make it to Heaven, none of us would make it!
    But “to him who knows to do good and does it not, to him it is become sin.”But, “no man straightway desires the new wine, he says, ‘the old is best.'”

    Thanks again for your interesting history on the subject.

  73. Andrew Mar 11th 2016

    I too believe this move belongs in more than just the streets. It belongs in the hospitals, the churches (synagogues so-to-speak), marae, all over the place.

    In fact, the CHURCH is a giant harvest field.

    -Andrew Strom

  74. Andrew Mar 11th 2016

    And some of the above arguments are the very reason that we baptize in BOTH ways together – thusly:

    “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, in the name of JESUS CHRIST”.

    That should put a stop to all arguments.

    -Andrew Strom

  75. I think the movie has some very good points, as in motivating people to step out of the religious box. However, the idea that anyone who is a believer can do this stuff doesn’t seem to be the reality.

    Let’s say there were 347 guys who came to the place where Jesus wanted to meet and speak. They were ALL His followers. They All wanted to be close with Him and taught by Him. He ended up picking only 12. Does that mean the others didn’t go to Heaven? Of course not! (God sees a man’s heart!) Jesus saw something uniquely special and useful in the 12, needed to do the “job.”

    According to my experience, combined with historical accounts, among hundreds of millions of followers of Christ, few seem to have done extraordinary stuff. (Luther, Wesley, Moody, Smith Wigglesworth, Finney, Watchman Knee, Tozer, Seymour, Whitefield, Spurgeon, etc.)

    Did they have a special anointing? Were they perhaps chosen, just like the 12? Paul said that NOT EVERYONE is a prophet or this or that, but we are to, eagerly; desire the gifts of the Holy Spirit. (1Cor.12:29) In the end the Lord decides whom He will choose. He is sovereign!

    I do believe we will see an increase of God using people to bring in the end-time harvest. How He does it, and whom He chooses, is entirely up to Him! As long as we don’t forget to test the spirits…

    Blessings,

    Mario

  76. Andrew Mar 11th 2016

    Mario – I actually believe the last days will see a full manifestation of “body ministry” from the WHOLE BODY.

    Right now we have too much of the “special man” syndrome. We need to see the whole Body released to do the work of the ministry.

    I believe this is very biblical.

    God bless you, my friend,

    Andrew Strom