THE LACK OF “HUNGER” – Key Problem!!

NOTE: An insightful piece below from Marie on why the West is spiralling downward spiritually. It was sparked by Lee Grady’s article on “Apostles”. We would be interested in your comments, my friends…

THE LACK of “HUNGER” – Key Problem!!
by Marie [RS]

I´m sure there are compassionate apostles out there, but I´m afraid
that it´s the people they try to reach that are the problem. Our
western society is filled with so much pleasure-seeking and
entertainment, it´s hard to find the hungry people. We don´t live at
all like they did in the early church. Sin abounded then as much
as today, but people had shorter lives, walking everywhere to reach
places, no electricity, and everyone had to depend on each other
to survive. Families all had to live together and pitch in if they
wanted to survive.

We live in a selfish world. In India, families take care of elderly
parents and in the West, many are discarded and sent to homes,
or have retired wealthy and travel and live abundantly, spending all
their time on cruises, while the adult children struggle. We are
living in one of the most selfish times the world has ever seen.
When we read about certain dog-owners pampering their pets and
feeding them better than the average human, are we ready to hear
the gospel?… Everyone must keep up with their neighbors. People
are obsessed with things that are so temporal and don´t realize
they keep souls away at arms´ length.

If we are so consumed with self, how can we be apostles? The
Western lifestyle is quenching the Spirit. It demands energy,
obsessive communication with twittering and facebooking, financial
independence, success, education, youthful appearance, well-
maintained physiques, materialism, entertainment, travel and
what´s left of the day, is time for bed. Few take care of others. The
West hires people to take care of other people. The west is
experiencing a nursing shortage. Few young people want to work
in humanitarian jobs, but all want to work as anchors, or stock
brokers. Everyone wants to be a celebrity. Most high-powered
couples (and many in the church) are preoccupied with programs
and raising money for their churches. When do these have time
to talk to strangers? We won´t go where strangers are because
we´ve lost the art of hospitality and prefer to walk across the street
from the homeless man.

Apostles in today´s churches follow the trends, but so do the
saints, and so do unbelievers. Trends and activity keep everyone
from seeking God. Our minds are being bombasted with information
every moment, every second and we are being acclimatized to
having music, noise, talk, on radio, i-phones, i-pads, and if we ever
had a moment of quiet, I believe it might cause psychological
stress. People are being fed noise in their ears every waking
moment. How can anyone contemplate the things of God?

Towns in the Book of Acts were such that people congregated
outside (tropical climate) in the market and near temples to pray.
Today, millions pass each other in the streets and we don´t speak
to each other, but rather get cursed at if we don´t drive fast enough.
No one seems to have pity, compassion, self-control; women are
now independent feminists working outside the home, becoming
ferocious competitors and exhausted and have little compassion
outside the confines of their home.

The West is sucking the physical, emotional and spiritual energy
right out of everyone, where that leaves little for individuals to seek
God and pray and meditate on the Word. We are stressed on all
sides. Many people are coping with medications to relieve stress.
Everyone is told they need to exercise, keep a balanced life, work,
raise families, travel, occupy with activities, competitions, etc.
How can an apostle of the Lord squeeze into these people´s lives
for them to listen to what he has to say?

If they won´t listen, maybe it´s time for western apostles to shake
the dust off their feet and go into a place that would welcome the
gospel message. But, it might not be a comfortable lifestyle and
might require a lot of sacrifice. No one should call themself
`apostle´ until they leave the ways of Babylon.

-PLEASE COMMENT on this topic below-

Posted in Uncategorized by Andrew on November 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am.

187 comments

187 Replies

  1. Adrienne Ruddock Nov 21st 2013

    Thank God that someone else recognises the problem. It’s a call to pray that we should all respond to.

  2. Andrew Nov 21st 2013

    Well said Adrienne

  3. Michael Booth Nov 21st 2013

    We in the west have lost what the great commission means, it is to go OUT and BE my witnesses, that is acting to show that you know The Messiah, showing the world that being a Christian is living as one. To many churches today are doing all to bring the unsaved into the building they call a church, using music and smoke machines to atract the youth, only falling themselves to believe that someone who listens to rap music is going to go to a church. 

    I know this statement is going to bring hell on me from many But music today christian or not is a tool of Satan, what can be wondeful worship has been turned into sensationalism and self gratification. As the article says Apostals in our world are too locked into their (our) own comfort, if we dont get out of it YHVH will take it away and we will have no choice but to se how life is in the third world, right in our own back yard.

  4. I completely disagree.
    Why do we always hear the same excuse from Christians? The apostles of today do this and that. If you know it ‘s wrong don’t do it, and get on your knees for them. Keep off facebook, and twitter.
    Put your focus on eternity and work out your salvation, focus on the word of God. Listen to a good report. Read Philippians 4:8 Think about these things. Who cares what the world is doing. What is God doing? Please let us hear more about this rather than what some man or woman is doing.
    Do you really want to preach the gospel n the market place with Paul in Biblical times, they didn’t like the message then? Didn’t he get stoned? What happened to Stephen? How about the Corinthian church? They allowed someone to have sexual relations a relative, and rejoiced at how liberal and understanding they were. Until Paul rebuked them.
    Nothing has changed sin still abounds.
    And I have ministered in India, many times over many years. We have an old folks home, for the ones who have been thrown out on the streets by their loving relatives. India and Indians are not our measure and I really don’t think we should compare ourselves to that or any other nation.

  5. Thank you for the article Andrew, I was just thinking along those lines after reading Isaiah chapture 54 and I asked myself ”is the church a widow” also we are told to walk in the ”Spirit” after being born again should we not hunger to read Gods word and in so doing, should it not change the way we think? then cause us to walk after the word which is spiritual. Then again there are so many versions of the Bible today who’s to tell which is God’s word and not man’s which has no power at all. Isn’t that Satan’s desire to destroy God’s word …did he not say ”But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it:for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die. Then Satan came along and changed the word.When Jesus was baptised in the Jordon the Heaven’s opened up unto him.I believe He could now see in the Spirit realm, he saw Nathan under the tree. The scripture say’s in Zechariah 4-6 not by might,nor by power,but by my spirit, say’s the Lord of hosts. Amen.

  6. A good posting about the way western society has lots touch with its heart! For those of us nearing the age when we can remember a time before computers and cell phones, and
    when communication was more face to face, when not only did you know your neighbours, but you had tea with them now and then, we do now know times have changed.

    However pre and post the two world wars western society was also very cruel towards women, towards the poor, very patriarchal, workers had to fight for their rights and people physically worked harder without labour saving devices.

    However there was not visibly the presence of pornography in our faces, or New Age expressions and media exposure to the demonic. Sunday School was still the norm for kids and churches did preach the Bible without other funny stuff. Schools were allowed to be stricter on kids without being prosecuted for abuse and kids were generally safe playing on streets and in the bush.
    No-one had too much, holidays were taken in either the nearby vicinity or at least in the same country.

    There was not the same choice of things to do or technology that took you away from knowing your neighbourhood. Most outings were not commercial affairs. On the surface society presented a moral and caring face, crime was minimal and the Salvation Army was truly an active social welfare church in those days.

    Now- good is called evil and evil is called good, depravity is everywhere because Govts are passing depraved laws, the family structure has been eroded and most kids are brought up in early childhood centres with surrogate parents, and those parents are working long hours to pay off a house they can’t afford so young, a car that has more excesses than they really need and overseas travel. Everyone is living on credit, which predisposes society to
    the one world Govt monetary system when it rolls in.

    The Bible tells us that before Jesus returns it will be as in the days before Noah. It also mentions the increase of environmental disasters, the coming church apostasy and many other “evils”.

    We as believers in God have a choice. We can stay caught up in the ever increasing rat race, or we can bring our life into balance and trust Him for supply, maybe with slightly less in a material sense. If we want to be an effective instrument for God then it takes TIME -time spent with God, time spent in His word, time spent interceding for others, time spent loving and caring for others he leads us to, time waiting on him for our particular gifting
    and maybe sacrifices to go where he sends us to disciple others.

    Derek Prince stated that in his life time he had spent a total of 8 years fasting alone! Of course that would be mixed with prayer I am sure. How dedicated to serving God are we! David Wilkerson’s ‘Call to Anguish’ probably is a good answer to this posting:

    David Wilkerson – Anguish – YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

  7. Romona Miller Nov 21st 2013

    This article is very insightful in many ways. We as the western church, and I emphasize “we” here have become self centered and self absorbed and lack very little spiritual maturity and insight. We have left our first love a long time ago. Unfortunately we all play a part in this. We need to be very careful to say “shake the dust off:” until we know from the heart of God that we have sought His face and interceded on behalf of our brothers and sisters; the body we are a part of. Only the Spirit of God can lift the veil that covers so many in this country. I think of Nehemiah and His broken heart for Israel and Jerusalem. He interceded; but he did not put himself above those he was praying for. He was in Babylon and found favor with the king to return and rebuild. How sincere have we become in interceding on behalf of our luke warm and cold brothers and sisters as well as the lost and dying spiritually! We cannot shake the dust off unless we have truly lain in the dust prostrate before the Father and sought His heart with the “Anguish” David Wilkerson refers to!

  8. Carolyn Curran-Vasseur Nov 21st 2013

    THIS should be preached in ALL the Churches… though I suspect it would not be received.. this isn’t what people in America want to hear, they want the finer life.. not the selfless life.. I am passing this on to people I know.. in hopes of seeing them self.. we all need to.

  9. Jesus said the harvest is ripe but the workers are few.

    I believe that there are more hungry today than ever before. But there are also much fewer workers. Sitting in church talking about “it” is not work. Preaching and singing to the choir (congregation) is not work, or at least not the work Jesus was talking about. To me the scriptures call that “piping to each other”.

    Friends, work can and is usually very hard. The lives the early church led were full of hard work, and they rejoiced at the fruit of their labor. If were are to be disciples and work as commanded, then we must be in the field where the harvest/fruit is. There are hungry masses to be fed.

  10. Satan is the same everywhere. Given enough easy prosperity so that they don’t really HAVE to depend on Christ, and any people would end up the same. In every nation, God always has a remnant who will love and be on fire for him regardless! Fierce persecution always purified His people.

    He never promised that MOST would be saved in the end, Actually just the opposite. “Straight is the gate and NARROW is the WAY, and FEW there be that find it.” However we are to hold out the words of Life to any and ALL nations, even here in spoiled America….Mystery Babylon.

  11. paige holloway Nov 21st 2013

    Just pray to follow Him. Almost four years ago I was praying for a minister that loved Jesus, not the world. Soooo, Jesus took me from beautiful Raleigh, NC to Blythe, CA. The minister has been incarcerated for twenty years so far, he was an ordained Assembly of God Pastor when he went to prison, for murder. A childhood friend found me and let me know that our friend was in prison.

    Blythe is a farm community, meth, etc. is rampant. I lived for three yesrs very up close and personal to most of the street people and their addictions. It was like being with satan in person. Two of those years I visited a state prison, every weekend. The third year, I had a vision of a broken down, cheap proprrty, two little houses, besutiful trees, dying roses, etc, 1/3 acre, fenced. Drug addicts had camped for over a year, bank owned property. Today, it shines and our renters are in recovery and their children, adorable, love the yard.

    Now, I am back in Raleigh, for a bit. My friend was moved to San Franciso area and there is wonderful pastoring there, also in Blythe, tru Apostles.

    I am Sixty-six, my friend ministers and teaches in prison, he is sixty -eight.. He died in 2006, Jesus assured him that he was forgiven, but sent him back because there was work fo him to do. We were born middle class, today we are not very distracted as the world does not really want to hang out with a murderer. Jesus does and we love his forgiveness and the opportunity to follow him.

    I absolutely loved the Apostle article.

    In His grip,
    David and Dale Paige

  12. We have been called and set apart,few have heard , however many like the the LABEL and the position. Hunger is a patch to the problem.
    If you answer the call and not some labeling God will anoint and this cause’s hunger and a compassion for the lost and those gone astray.
    It seems so easy to see the tree , but what is at the root ? Sin!
    Holy Spirit come convict,correct,and may we answer and repent.
    Don’t need to leave Babylon, we need to repent and be a light in Babylon.

  13. watchful Nov 21st 2013

    Yes, the church is sadly just like the world….We knew these days would come, the bible told us so, and it is now here. Now that the falling away is here, the Father has graciously made His will and instruction clear to those who are His and love the truth, so that we don’t find ourselves part of it.

    2 Ti 3:1-9

    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

    Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    (I was once one of those silly women…..nowadays they creep into houses mainly via TV and internet)

  14. Pastor Bob Nov 21st 2013

    There is no Apostles per say as was when Jesus walked the earth. An Apostle was designated this name per the physical time actually spent with Christ, yes or no? Yet to claim this title today, in my opinion os prideful. I was a three year full time missionary in Honduras working overseeing church plants and teaching pastors monthly. The leader declared me an Apostle. I did not accept this title, for I am only doing what I am called to do. I only serve a living God who revealed truth to me and I share this truth in my calling as a servant as well. I truly see no need of any Apostle today, do you?

  15. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    This website and Ministry has become a Ministry of Condemnation. It’s not a Ministry of Affirmation. Let’s just keep bashing the body of Christ that Jesus is the head of. Critics are 10 cents a piece. Just preach the Love, Grace and Forgivness found in the blood of Jesus. Anything else is a waste of time and precious energy. If we spend all of out time trying to fix the Church, more of the lost spend eternity in Hell.

  16. Thomas H. Nov 21st 2013

    Very pointed written…ty, Marie, so right on and so well exposed,how satan is trapping the western believers, as this article is not only for apostles, but concerns every believer in Jesus, as we all are called to minister and to be His witness wherever we are.
    I observe, that a lot of the problems are with the hired leaderships, the “hirelings” as the Bible calls them and as the student can ‘t be above the teacher, good believing people are trapped right in a lot of ” church settings”, as they are under that ” leadership”, where actually satan makes sure, that there will be nothing happening, except religious traditions clothed in modern day gimmicks.
    The Lord is notching each one of us to examine where our focus is, how much we choose to abandon our familiar comfort and agenda to finally follow Him and fullfill His will in our lives for what He has created us for…..and that is a lonely road in worldly terms, but so rich, as He is with us and our lives are now a witness to the world even sometimes without a word spoken, as His Glory through us doesn’t always need words…it’s His precious Presence, the anointing which brakes the yokes, no churchy gimmick can.
    May God stir us to keep seeking Him and help us to be willing to change……radical for Him.
    Glory to God
    In Him
    Thomas

  17. rev michael martin Nov 21st 2013

    Reading this article and then the comments confirms that discussing revivalism in the modern church is a subjective and dare I say somewhat unpopular topic even among the Saints of God…
    How can this be?
    I took away from Marie’s work what any and all true Christians should be unified in opinion: that we as an American church are in serious need of repentance.

    The issue brought forth here, in general enough terms for all followers to discuss, but more importantly DO SOMETHING ABOUT (which is the part the church has really fallen into disrepair…the HOLY AND SACRED TURNING AWAY from what is individually and corporately NOT producing Kingdom fruit) IS PINNACLE to the current conduct of the American church: we KNOW something is vastly wrong, both in theology and practice, but the majority of the church finds OTHER avenues of tangential dialogue and thought to embrace, even argue, while ignoring true issues of the day.

    I believe Marie is correct: saints throughout the ages, dare I say even 70 years ago, would have gone to fasting, prayer and repentance (see Joel 1 and 2) and in great and holy fear sought the Lord’s will and confirmation of how to proceed in such a rapidly degenerative national culture, individually and as a body of believers. Not today. We have so many churches doing so many things according to what EACH thinks God wants (when God clearly and simply explains from Genesis thru Revelation what He desires) only to then sit back and wait for God to bless what we are doing…while the world goes to hell faster then ever before.

    I recently could no longer allow myself to be a passive participant in our cultural cycle of self-centeredness, if you will, which is exactly the cycle exhibited by a self-seeking Israel during the famed era of the Judges. I contacted over 80 of the strongest, most faithful Christians I’ve met in my 25 years of ministry and asked them to consider joining me in fasting, prayer and repentance once a week. I was sure a good portion were at a similar place as I, that it was time to humble ourselves before our Father and confirm we had not replaced our first love with other life priorities…to seek God once a week, united in prayer and continue this practice until God meets with us in a fresh and restorative way. Initially, less than 15 responded to the email. In my own church only 2 stepped forward! Now, thanks to God, there are over 40 living these most basic spiritual disciplines together as a ‘body,’ spread around the world, seeking to grab tighter hold of Jesus. But I can not help but wonder why so few are in the same spiritual place as I…why so few ARE HUNGRY for MORE OF JESUS?

    Marie is spot on. We have so filled our bellies with the pleasures of this world the American church does not realize its actually truly and spiritually starving to death. This is not an attack, its simply speaking the truth as I see it through the filter of God’s Word.

    For me, its time for the people of God to stop arguing and simply confess WE HAVE BLOWN IT…Jesus is still the head of the church OF COURSE, but WE have not been listening to him the way we should. We’ve allowed other life priorities to supplant his will and design in our lives…but I now realize only a remnant is able to see and respond to this most critical failure.

    If any reading this would care to join us in prayer, fasting and repentance on Wednesday, feel free to post and introduction here and by God’s grace we will connect.

    I pray God’s blessings to all…but greater strength to the same to live our OUR DUTIES as sons and daughters of the most High…

  18. John W Nov 21st 2013

    I agree with Pastor Bob. The office of Apostle ended with the deaths of the first century Apostles. There are no true Prophets as defined in the Old Testament and no true Apostles today.

    However, the article is correct in assessing the issue that few are hungry for the Word.

  19. Thomas H. Nov 21st 2013

    This website is right on, as people are honest enough to ask questions about the present state of how God is represented here on earth and it is sad to see, that the man made church is dominating, although Jesus said, that HE will build His church….we haven’t been willing to be used for that, as His standard for a believer in Him is not really seen on a broad scale, a believer according to Mark 16 : 17 + 18……..there is a false love, a false grace and a false gathering as well possible…..if we are humble enough to admit it……I am very aware, that the religious system fights hard against that to be exposed, but……..GREATER is the ONE in me, than the one in the world..
    Let’s worship in Spirit and in Truth.

  20. Rita Symons Nov 21st 2013

    Sometimes the truth offends! And truth is that the Visible Church has fallen far!

    The Church has been warned to `Wake Up!`

    Surely this Ministry is a part of that warning voice!

    Maybe it`s already too late and `Jesus has left the building!`

    Revelation 2:5
    Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

  21. 100% Zululander Nov 21st 2013

    Bob if you think the title of Apostle is prideful then why take the title of pastor?
    Theres lots of truth in what you say David but some things need to be said & put into perspective & it also needs to be balanced with a lot of encouraging things Andrew puts out from time to time.

  22. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    Rev. Martin.
    The term Revival means different things to different folks. But one thing is clear, it is not a concept which we can find in the New Testiment. What scriptures would we use to support our opinion of Revival? Is it for the body of Christ? Is it for the lost? What is the purpose of it? The only scriture that I know of which may explain revival, is Acts 3:19. Described as “times of refreshing”. But this was spoken to unbelievers, not believers.
    John W
    Please supply scriptures that tell us the Function of Apostle ended with the first Apostles. By the way, the Bible never refers to these functions as “offices”. He set these functions in the church. I can’t find where they were done away with in scripture…

  23. Thomas H. Nov 21st 2013

    Where does it say in the Bible, that the fivefold ministry has ended ?
    No more equipping of the Body of Christ ?
    wow…..don’t think so, that’s against the Word.

    Blessings

  24. Joanne Nov 21st 2013

    Has anyone ever grown a vegetable garden before?

    The gardens that are tended, watered; nourished produce the lasting fruit. Those gardens without a pure water supply not diligently weeded nor guarded against pestilents produce poor fruit or no fruit.

    If we fail to tend our hearts and seek His face how can we know His voice. If we don’t know/hear His voice how do we learn what His heart is asking of us? How do follow the leading of the Holy Spirit? How are we called His. My sheep know My voice. They will not follow another. But many in America are following another voice.

    I agree wholeheartedly with Marie’s assessment – unless we unplug from Babylon when the time is most critical -as in the days of Noah- they were eating and drinking when the flood came – America will be lost.

  25. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    After reading some of these post, we might as well shut and lock all the church doors because the Body of Christ is a complete and total failure. All hope of a strong powerful church is gone. Wow, how did the Head ( Jesus) let this happen to His body? Cmon folks, God is doing awesome things in the earth. Salvations, healings, miracles and demonstrations of His awesome power. Sorry, but I don’t see all gloom and doom. His love, mercy and Grace is on full display!! Jump in the river of grace my friends, it may change your whole perspective…

  26. What apostles? I don’t personally know of any apostles in America. And if the are following the people into this American lifestyle, they’re probably also not right with God.

    I think I’ve grown weary of all the discussion in America about what a mess we are in spiritually. It’s become old news. Either you move on with God or you don’t. The time of separation is here maybe. Stop talking and go obey God.

  27. Searving Yahweh is a honor and a pleasure through the Son Yashua. Yahweh is the author and the finisher nothing will be left undone. He allows us to serve you see, his will is done no matter what, did Jonah have a choice? Yah needed him to give a message and Yah’s will was done. Do you think HaSatan can stop Yah? His name means adversery and we see that in the book of Job that Yahweh uses HaSatan as just that nothing more. So you see this is really about serving him and growing up to be the Sons and Daughters of the most high Elohim. There we be a time soon when he pours his spirit on us that have ears to hear and eyes to see to do his will. I believe the outpouring will be the difference between Elijah and Elisha who got the double portion, we will be in a doulble portion out pouring to do Yah’s will. May Yashua be with all of you. Much shalom in Yashua; Dr. David.

  28. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    Dr. David,
    The outpouring started on the Day of Pentecost and continues to this day. I’m sorry you may have missed it. And, His name is Jesus…

  29. While it is true that there are too many distractions, it is also true that people choose what they give their time to. Some choose to turn off entertainment, etc. while others choose to let it encompass them. Selfishness, too, is an issue, and, I agree, it does seem to be at an all-time high. However, I disagree that it is primarily the “people” that are to blame; but rather, an overall lack of regard for the things of God, an attitude shared both by those who serve and those who receive.

    Specifically, I mean this: that we have preferred our ways to His.

    Generally, we (apostles, evangelist, ministers, etc.) have a plan to reach the world with His word and see sharing the message of salvation as their only true duty. And yet, if we are truly His, then our hearts should be concerned with everything that concerns Him.

    There are many things that have been tolerated or outright ignored in order to preach salvation only. Like thorny vines these atrocities encircle and strangle those being preached to. How can they hear when we have not met them where they are suffering? How can they know that God is the God of all when we are only concerned with their soul?

    Fornication, homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, child abuse . . . the list is long and far too many who teach treat such things as superficial wounds. Yet, they destroy the very soul we claim to regard.

    No one reaches the lost without the Spirit of God. There are no apostles, ministers, etc. that can move even a single heart without God’s intervention. I do not believe that we need to abandon the west for those of other nations. I think we already have.

    If we are to see true revival among our own, we must first have a heart for the things of God. Salvation was not the only issue our Lord dealt with. It was not the only concern God addressed in the Old Testament, either. When we stop to see all that He has called us to, seek His guidance before we proceed, then we can expect revival. Man’s plan has been followed long enough. I think it’s high time we asked God for His.

  30. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    Judy,

    An Apostle, a “Sent one”. Do you know of any folks who preach the Gospel, establish churches, establish ministries, mentor and train sons and daughters in Christ? I know of several who fit this description. That is the description of the an Apostle…

  31. Any nation that has become extremely wealthy seems to always fall away. Even Solomon started with the right heart and ended up in the gutter. As wealth has been coming to more and more nations that at one time didn’t have it, they seem to end up the same as the USA if not worse.
    We have the internet, why don’t all of us take one hour a week to share the gospel with a few people. If you have a heart for mormons, why do you waste your time on facebook or twitter? go to a mormon web site and do some witnessing. Do we have the truth or not? Every one of us can be a missionary today without leaving our country. We can’t waste this opportunity.

  32. Revival IS coming!
    Worldliness is, was, and always has been.
    Many give up and write off western culture as being too far gone, entrenched in sin and unreachable.
    God sees it as an opportunity.
    There is no place too hard for God to bring His amazing power and presence.
    His love reaches all! His Grace abounds!
    There ARE indeed apostles and we will see them rise above the mire and bring the good news to All in the power of Jesus Christ… so church…. have faith, hope, and love… Do your part… Pray without ceasing!

  33. I agree, but that is not the fundamental reason for the apathetic apathy toward Yahweh. In the first place, I do not believe that there are or that there can be “Apostles” at the present time.However, we should all be teachers. But how can we (or anyone) teach when we have never been taught the truth. We have many generations who have been told that we are gentiles, that the law was nailed to the cross, and that the Bible is good reference material — period. Jesus said “YOUR WORD IS TRUTH.” We as a people believe all kinds of promotional material [commercials, if you will] and try many of the proposed “cures” but never give the Bible the courtesy of being considered. The Bible (as originally written) is the operatiion and maintenance manual for the human machine, both individually and collectively, and if followed, will give us a life filled with blessings, health and longevity. I speak from expeerience. I am 98 years old in good health and have tried to follow the instructions of the Bible for the past44 years, with particular emphasis upon the four laws that are directed toward our physical well being — Tithing, the dietary laws, keeping the Seventh day as a Sabbath of rest, and honoring father and mother. If people would repent of their attitude toward the Word of Yahweh, take the Bible seriously, and follow its instructions, the promises contained in Matthew 6:33 and II Chronicles 7:14 would be fulfilled in our lives. Amen.

  34. Sure David this is understood. Don’t bite so hard or be so sure in your own thoughts but that of the living Elohim. By the way the father and son have the same name meaning Salvation.

  35. Deanna Nov 21st 2013

    This article is a stringing together of one inaccurate conclusion after another – conclusions based on what I am not sure. The author seems more in touch with her own negative bias than with what the truth of the church past, present, or anywhere in between actually is. Yes, we should address current problems and concerns, of course we should, but spewing uninformed opinions is not helpful in either diagnosis or remedy of those problems and concerns.

  36. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    So Chuck,

    Do you also keep all of the 700+ commands of the Law? If you are guilty of not keeping one of them, then you are guilty of not keeping them all. I’m so thankful that Jesus fulfilled the Law and we now live under Grace. The Law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better Hope (Jesus) did. Paul warned the Galations of exactly the doctrines you are exposing to. We are under no obligation or commandment to keep the Law. It’s a new Covanant my friend built on better promises.

  37. Clare Watts Nov 21st 2013

    Thank you, Marie! Well said……Turning the ship around may be to great a problem, and you are right – I believe Jesus was talking to us when He told us, “Then the master said to the servant, ‘Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled”. (Luke 14:22-24.) The doctor is not there for the healthy, but the sick and dying. The lost who have nowhere to go for help, the addicts that need God to take away their addictions, the dying who need to know that there IS a God who cares for and loves them, and died to save them from their sin! Remember that it will be the same today as it was in the days of Noah, and he preached to them for 100 years…..only 8 were saved! They didn’t WANT God in their lives – SELF was on His throne. There are BUNCHES of people out there waiting for us to tell them about Jesus – smelly, dirty, hungry, fearful, lonely, sick…..who NEED to know that Jesus died for THEM TOO!

  38. Bro. Brad, thank you and AMEN, brother. Well said.

    Romans 11:32
    For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.

    I believe our precious Father in Heaven is about to manifest great mercy upon all by rending the Heavens and coming down! Many souls are hurting in the West, in spite of what we may read, see or hear. It may be true that a good portion of the West seems like a picture-postcard of Laodicea. What of that? This is where the Laodicean OVER-COMERS come from! There will be over-comers of Laodicea. Our Lord Jesus gave them promises.

    MANY in the United States are praying. Let us not worry and grumble if we can’t SEE them. We’re not supposed to be walking by sight anyway. 😉

    May God bless those who desire more of Him and less of themselves. Pray on, brothers and sisters!!!

  39. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    Renee,

    “I believe our precious Father in Heaven is about to manifest great mercy upon all by rending the Heavens and coming down!”

    He already did this in the person of Jesus Christ. He does not need to do it again. “It is finished”!!! When you know who you are in Christ, and how he feels about you, then go forth with boldness and share that good news, then signs and wonders will follow. Why do we keep waiting for God to do what He has already done. We are full of the power of the living God, lets go forth and change the world!!!

  40. Doesn’t the problem start with the fact that modern Western Christianity has too little to do with first century New Testament spirituality? The so called leaders of today’s Churchianity have created their own religion and stuck Jesus on to it like pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. Be they apostles or pastors or elders or denominational leaders they bring the people a watered down feel good religion that seldom includes the Holy Spirit and spiritual life. Without these the people naturally fall back into living self centered fallen lives. Until the present leadership is brought down and replaced with Holy Spirit filled men nothing will change. And I’ll say again, most of those in Churchianity will not want to follow Holy Spirit filled leaders and will choose to cling to their dead, feel good religion. The unsaved, unreligious, will be the ones responding to the new leaders God raises up. I see little hope of revival of Churchianity. Most of those calling themselves Apostles in Churchianity are self anointed, full of themselves types that are not worth listening to, and even those committed to Churchianity seem to recognize that fact. We must be praying for the Lord to raise up new leaders, real apostles, full of the Holy Spirit and his power! Marie seems not to see the real problem but is focused on the effects of the problem.

  41. This statement was written by a 17th century historian about the conditions of the Church in the 4th century.

    “When there was nothing any longer to be feared from enemies without; when the character of most bishops was tarnished with arrogance, luxury, effeminacy, animosity, resentments, and other defects; when the lower clergy neglected their proper duties and were more attentive to idle controversies than to the promotion of piety and the instruction of the people; when vast numbers were induced, not by a rational conviction but by the fear of punishment and the hope of worldly advantage to enrol themselves as Christians – how can it surprise us that on all sides the vicious appeared a host, and the pious a little band almost overpowered by them?…
    “The more honorable and powerful could sin with impunity, and only the poor and the unfortunate felt the severity of the laws.”

    Some things have been going on forever.

    The solution is simply to preach and teach the truth to as few as will hear it. (I believe there are more hungry people out there than we realize, they just don’t know what they are hungry for because it is not presented to them)

  42. Billy Graham was converted in 1934 at age 16 during a series of revival meetings in Charlotte led by Ham. Ham wrote it was the only conversion in this series of meetings. And, to think, Billy Graham has preached to ‘billions’ of people over the 50 yrs. of his ministry! So, preach and teach the truth to as few as will hear it — G-d will use the results for the good of His Kingdom!!

  43. 100% Zululander Nov 21st 2013

    Well said Donald. The problems we have in the church now are the same ones in the early Church. At a recent pastors fraternal the general consensus was that most churches today are just like the early church.
    Read the bible & see the problems Paul had in what was going on in the churches. People are the same everywhere. Tares & wheat growing together.

  44. It takes two to tango. Paul said the people would heap to themselves teachers. It takes hearers and teachers.

    Not everything that claims to be a church is a church and not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian.

    The true church of Jesus Christ is faithful, obedient, loving, serving, listening to His voice and following Him. You just have see past the false to see the real.

    This video speaks to these problems: http://youtu.be/xm3BJ8az24U

  45. There is some great sharing going on in this posting and that is how we move forward -the Body each having input.

    I don’t know if anyone has viewed the DVD called The Real St Patrick -it was the 8th century church in action. It was amazing how they organised themselves on Book of Acts early church and pretty much most of known Ireland and Scotland were brought to Jesus. They had bases, and everyone worked in evangelism. It was a perpetual cycle of brief training and going out. No time for a PEW WARMING culture -all were engaged all the time.

    A church is believers who meet together to pray and worship God, to care for one another to grow in Christ like character, to be discipled and then equipped to make disciples of others and who plant other churches – there is no time for hanging round the ‘temple’ -it is train them up and shoot them out – like a cell growth operation. The churches today are so structured to actually inhibit this very cycle of growth. It goes back to King Constantine of course, setting up the Roman style church to appease the populace’s other gods, bring in divisions between clergy and laity, and all the other errors we see in church life today.

    When a future builder tradesman does an apprenticeship, he stays with the trained builder until he learns how to build and has passed the trade exams. Then he goes out and builds houses, he eventually takes on an apprenticeship person himself and the cycle of training and building is perpetuated. The result is more houses being built.

    So we have two choices – we get out of the wrongly structured church and get with others of like mind and start doing it this way
    (and there are house (rabbit) church planting groups worldwide) or we try and help the existing model change -the latter very hard because men’s ambitions and agendas are at the forefront of it all.

  46. Andrew Nov 21st 2013

    This article is about the CULTURE we exist in – and the total lack of “hunger” that has developed. How then do we bring “good food” to a culture that simply does not want to “eat” it?

    Too satiated with all the ‘Junk’

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  47. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    Hi Andrew,

    It’s my experience that many are hungry, but are having a hard time finding a place to be fed. It seems we are in a times of extremes. Either extreme Law is being taught or live however you want, is being taught. It’s a tough time to find the real biblical balance.

  48. The western Church is certainly distracted, but a major reason for a lack of renewal in the mind and heart of believers is due to there not being a easy and concise way to change. The Word tells us that those that live by the flesh can’t please God and that we should walk by the Spirit. But who has ever presented a clear answer regarding walking by the Spirit. All too often we just get another fleshly law and obligation to live by.
    There is away of escape for Gods people from the limitations of the old man, the world and the devil.
    What is Gods way of escape?

  49. Andrew Nov 21st 2013

    David – I see very little spiritual “hunger” at all in the West.

    I have travelled all over looking intently.

    In places like Africa and Romania – yes.

    But in the West generally – no.

    In fact I believe modernism and consumerism have virtually killed “hunger” in our nations.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  50. Andrew,
    I sent you a book “The Shadow of the Spiritual”. Did you ever get it? If you give it your attention, you will find it has the potential of bringing radical charge to the church and will promote a renewed mind and heart in the believer.
    Many blessing, Gordon

  51. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    I see an incredible amount of hunger in the circles I travel in Michigan. Mostly among the 15 -30 group. I have found young people screaming for something real!! It’s a very exciting time…

  52. Andrew Nov 21st 2013

    Do they like the word “Repent”??

  53. From a purely practical viewpoint, the answer is that we should “come out from among them and be ye separate,” I think if the church is taught this and how to do it, and if they have inculcated into them, their extreme importance in their role as king and priest unto God, and how God is counting on them to do the job, they will sanctify themselves from the worldly mindset described in the article and will separate themselves from time-hogging activities, to seek the Lords’ face with all their heart. If a Christian truly understands their value and role in society they will not live like the rest of the world and will MAKE time to fast, pray, study the Word and evangelize. Moreover, unless a Christian is baptized in the Holy Ghost (evidenced by speaking in tongues) they will find it hard to “walk in the Spirit.” But fear not folks, I believe that when the Global financial crash occurs (and all those involved in the financial secotr-including the head of I.M.F.) as it will soon, (once the US economy crashes, all economies will rapidly follow, like dominoes,) there will no longer be consumerism to occupy peoples minds and times, but pure survival. It is of the Lords mercy that He will allow this, for He sees how deeply entrenched the west is in the very things described in the article. It will be a time when people are woken up to the harsh realities of life and will be looking for answers. It will be a time that God has ordained, for us to share a reason of the hope that is in us, with meekness and fear. I believe many in the west will be saved.

  54. PS An Amendment: (My apologies for not editing it before posting.) It should read: “all those involved in the financial sector, including the Head of I.M.F. say it is inevitable and that it will be around April in 2014, if not sooner..”

  55. David Markham Nov 21st 2013

    Have you research the word? It simply means a change of mind. They are hearing about real love for the first time. Remember, it’s His kindness that leads us to repentance…
    My Brother can’t start churches fast enough in Northern Michigan. And it’s the younger crowd that is filling them.. But you will not reach them with a message of Law, it has to be a message of God’s love and Grace. Didn’t really appreciate your sarcasm. Maybe you need to open your heart to some ways God is touching people today.

  56. Andrew Nov 21st 2013

    If you preach “grace and love” with no true conviction of sin or deep repentance, my friend, you are preaching no gospel at all.

    Jesus preached “Repent”. They all did.

    But yes – you can start great youth “churches” today without it. No repentance needed.

    Sad.

    -Andrew Strom

  57. May I speak again? I apologize for this, but I dont normally speak on these sites anyway, and I feel constrained of the Lord to add something. But first; I must say-that although all the financial experts predict the crash in or before April 2014, they could all be wrong-the Lord is able to exercise restraining power that will over-ride even logical circumstances, to fulfill His own aims.
    About HUNGER. It is my experience that if I eat far less or do a fast, my spiritual hunger for God and the Bible increases. this is a Spiritual principle we see in the Bible, Job hinted at it when he said: “I esteem thy Word more than my necessary food.” And of course in the NT we are told that the flesh and the Spirit are in opposition to one another. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the more we deny our flesh (and I’m not talking of a myriad of ways, all or some of which may be liegitimate) but specifically of food, we will in doing so, make room for a real hunger for God and His Word. It was food that brought the Fall to the human race (“and when she saw that it was good for food..”) and I believe it is one of the main reasons for the apathy in the church toward God. The last days, Jesus tells us, will be characterized by “eating and drinking,” (as in the days of Noah,) also we are warned by Him to beware of overeating, drunkeness and the cares of life or we will miss out in the day of His return. I sincerely believe, that if we are preoccupied with “dainties and delicacies” like the rest of the world, we are fleshly and causing our spiritual life to suffer. Have a look in your concordance regards food and regards fasting and see what you find. Every church get-together I’ve ever heard announced is to do with eating-usually sugar-laden delicacies that hurt our temple (body.) “Whatsoever you eat or drink, do all to the glory of God.” I find it difficult to restrain myself, but I do it anyway, because I am hungry to get closer to Jesus. I have tremendous needs in my life, along with that the need to reach the lost around me. God bless you all. (Some great posts by the way.)

  58. rev michael martin Nov 21st 2013

    Andrew’s summary is perfect…and spot on in my opinion.
    This is the first time I’ve chased back to the comments section and read the thinking behind some of the readers; interesting to say the least. Thankfully most readers ‘got’ the simple and vital truth found in this article.

    As for some of the commenters who reacted rather over the top, whereas I dont mind a healthy theological debate, in particular about the study of revivalism, I dont enjoin such an activity simply to prove a point. The American church is judged by the Word of God, not by me. Reading the Word, however, and applying the truths therein SHOULD bring some questions into public dialogue…and we should not be afraid to question the tangible differences between the Word and the practice of the Word. As others here have said, if this offends, so be it.

    Closing more than a share of churches is not a bad answer, to be honest. I remember Malachi being admonished to do the same with God’s holy place of meeting in the OT…if the purpose of the temple altars or God’s house are NOT IN LINE WITH GOD’S DESIRES, close the doors I say!

  59. watchful Nov 21st 2013

    Valley Ant, thought I should let you know I had written a reply to you on the last thread, but it disappeared.

  60. Carl Emerson Nov 22nd 2013

    In general, the modern church does not witness a visibly different lifestyle to the world.

    It does not have the visible community that the early church had.

    Acts chapters 2-5 are not part of the modern vision of a meeting orientated church.

    Yet we have the authority in His word to ignore this largely fruitless trend and fellowship in unity with those to whom He leads.

    Wow… when we do this in simplicity, breaking bread from house to house, praying for the sick, sharing in the word, heaven opens, fresh manna falls.

    Nothing has changed.

    He is there waiting…

    Real revival is waiting outside the camp…

    12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.
    13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach.
    14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

  61. Carl Emerson Nov 22nd 2013

    Sorry I forgot to mention. the verses were from Hebrews 13

  62. Joseph Nov 22nd 2013

    I don’t want to offend anyone (at all), but this article sounds like a whining, almost (self)victimised, finger pointing of blame and disappointment. Bashing society for its short-comings does not bring anyone closer to anything, least of all God – except a more depressing view of humanity. Here’s the catch in these sweeping, judgemental comments/articles etc about (the state of) society: we’re ALL a part of it! Let’s do ourselves a favour, the next time we hear anyone say something like “they say/do/think such & such” (in any context) let’s ask that person who “they” is? And use that as a very real way of bringing that wonderful person into a more constructive understanding of what it is they’re making those sweeping statements about. Just try it, give it a go.
    Yes, we can all try harder. At everything. Spreading the good Word should’t be a challenge. What happened to the outright Joy of doing it? I admit, I am not an expert on the Bible, but something tells me if we take the time to REALLY look there’s an answer in there for everything! And for everyone! There isn’t just one way to find your way back to God.
    I find these types of articles a form of bullying, using guilt to get people off their lazy butts. But I personally respond better to positive encouragement, where part of the joy is the actual seeking of God, and (re)discovering the wonders of mine & His relationship.

  63. Carl Emerson Nov 22nd 2013

    Notice how Hebrews 13 verse 14 says “Here we do not have a lasting city”

    Outside the camp we do not build human structures that are designed to last, we rather follow His living Word seeking the City to come.

    Our human system has built to last, and monuments abound.

    Bigger, better, louder, faster… Whoa…

    Where is Jesus ?

    Carl Emerson.

  64. Inspired Nov 22nd 2013

    Joseph,
    Amen!!! Clapping my hands!!
    The whining is nothing more than the soul wanting to be heard instead of trusting Him to give life. It is Bible poverty to not see the GREAT things that the Father has done in the scriptures and in the lives of millions of people.

  65. Andrew Nov 22nd 2013

    Nonsense.

    You might as well call every prophet in history a “whiner” for warning about the state of things in their day.

    For which Judgment always followed.

    -Andrew Strom

  66. It was so refreshing to read your email Maria. Everything you mentioned you hit it right on the nail. I have just come back from China as a self-funded missionary, I have been doing this for over 11 years. China has the same problem as the west but the difference is there are churches that are crying out to hear the true Gospel, unfortunately, the watered down Gospel is in full swing in China; of course this comes from preachers from the west. I was led to a full-on Spirit filled church, the best church I have been to for over 30 years, AMEN. Even this church is crying out for good preachers. My husband and I are going back again next year, We are waiting on the Holy Spirit to direct us, this time could be longer than a year, Praise the Lord. Yes! One does give up all the comforts of the west but it beats everything seeing people being filled with the Holy Spirit and their lives changing. My husband and I are so blessed.

  67. Inspired Nov 22nd 2013

    I rather like Isaiah who says woe is this and woe is that, until he sees the Lord and says woe is me, I am undone. I am a man of unclean lips…..Then a hot coal was placed upon his lips and took away his guilt, iniquity.
    John 9:39 For judgment I /Yeshua came into the world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.
    If Yeshua is lifted up, then He will draw all men/condemnation unto Himself. Rom. 8:3 Sin has been condemned in the flesh.
    Wages of sin is death– Unless He returns in our life time, all will die and these bodies will return to the ground from which they came.

  68. The spiritual climate you are describing is one that is in special need of one of the other of the 4 ministries: prophets. To call to repentance and prepare the way…

  69. I welcome You here Lord – hear us as we share our hearts before You – Love You Lord… :-)

  70. ValleyAnt Nov 22nd 2013

    “Lord, You have been our Dwelling Place in all generations. Before the mountains were created or ever You brought forth the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God” (Ps. 90:1). Amen.

    I was talking to a friend of mine today and truly, truly believe that it is time for the Saints to pray. We may speak, share, teach, sing, prophesy; but let us also pray. It’s time to pray.

  71. Personally, I believe that the lack of spiritual hunger found in American churches may be traced to several things: (1) a carnal “gospel” is being preached, one that promotes materialism and self-centered fulfillment instead of Christ-centeredness and sacrifice; (2) fervent praying has become obsolete; (3) Christians no longer study their Bibles to seek out truth; (4) ministers are not longer on fire…for many, preaching is simply a job

    I did not have the privilege of being raised in a Christian home, but as a young adult in my 20s, Jesus appeared to me and told me to follow Him and to preach repentance to His people (Christians). Then He warned that I would be mistreated, saying that I was not to draw back for “some” would heed my words and turn from their [sinful] ways.

    What many Christians do not understand is that ministers, including apostles, do not choose where they are going to preach or to whom. The Lord chooses: Paul was sent to the Gentiles, whereas some of His fellow servants were sent to the Jews, etc. But regardless of where one is sent, the message of “repentance and remission of sins” is to be preached along with the rest of the gospel. Jesus preached repentance, and according to Luke’s account, He commanded His disciples to do the same.

    Yet, many Christian ministers avoid doing so, either because they prefer preaching a socially acceptable gospel or because they do not understand the need for repentance in coming to Christ…or even in guarding and maintaining one’s walk. However, the necessity of this is clearly seen in the book of Revelation when Jesus rebuked six of the seven churches, telling them to repent or suffer the consequences of not doing so. Serious stuff!

    Unfortunately, many churches in America consider a message of repentance to be judgmental and unloving. But little do they know it is fueled by the mercy and love of God reaching out to a person or to a church one more time, in hopes that the sinner or backslider will turn from their sins and begin living for Christ with a whole heart. The choice is ours.

    Minister Jo S.

  72. I think the church has lost the ability to shine the light of Christ, becuase it won’t go into dark places….I am a crisis chaplain.In the past 2 daysI have gone to two shootings.. I’ve been to a domestic dispute, I’ve been to an assault case, I’ve counseled people in crisis situations. I have used Scripture and Biblical principles when I go out and minister to people- the people I’ve been speaking to receive such things very well. I think people who are hurting will listen.. I think people who are indulgent and materialistic won’t. the point is if you want to be close to people who will listen he have to be close to those who are hurting. GET OUTSIDE the 4 walls of the church and go minster in the streets.

  73. Ouch! :)

  74. Serenity Nov 22nd 2013

    Thank you Virginia. An elderly friend and I feel challenged to go outside the gates of the local high school (where Gideon NT’s are no longer distributed) and to distribute Christian booklets.
    ‘Out there’ is truly where the hungry souls are.

    And I agree with you, Linda W., a money and economic collapse is heading to the world soon.
    If you will spend two hours listening to Lindsey Williams speaking on the subject ‘Elite Emergency Data’, you will find out what is coming and how to prepare. (NO exact dates, but when Obamacare fully kicks in.)
    Forty years ago, David Wilkerson was given ‘The Vision’. “Work and pray to pay off all debts” was part of it. Mortgages are deadly today.
    God gives ample warning ! Most of humanity has continued on doing their thing.
    Now God will restore hunger, real hunger, by taking away our daily bread. Let’s prepare NOW for our own sakes and for the sake of our children and others.

    (Even some of Pharoah’s servants went home and acted on Moses’ warning from the Lord. Others didn’t.)
    Our choice ??

  75. Its the deceitfulness of riches that reveals whats in man’s heart. Because of all the toys in the West many are consumed by them.

    While salvation is free and were not saved by works, there is a price to pay to go deeper in the Lord. Many are called but few are chosen. Strait is the gate and narrow is the way and few there be that find it.

    We have to choose as individuals to seek the Lord and pay the price. This is why were told to work out our own salvation with “fear and trembling”.

    I believe God has a people reserved in the west who have not bowed the knee to Baal and his riches.

    Lord Bless,
    GaryB

  76. Andrew Nov 22nd 2013

    Important points, Gary

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  77. watchful Nov 22nd 2013

    Maybe the lack of hunger is because it’s been so long since they have had any real food/water they have become anorexic! ………. The only answer is to leave those famine plagued places and start afresh to dig a new well themselves. But like the Israelites of old some are afraid the Lord will bring them out only to die in the wilderness, when in fact the wilderness is the only place where He has promised us streams and rivers! Wilderness is where when patience bears fruit the real testimonies start to happen.

  78. 100% Zululander Nov 22nd 2013

    I think they/we are not hungry because they/we have no need. Look how needy the folk were who came to the Lord Jesus. They came because of need.
    The church seems to be strongest where the need/persecution is the greatest.
    Repent is not just to change your mind. One cannot take a word & get the full meaning of it from that word.
    Check everywhere in the bible where people repented OT & NT & see what they did. Zaccheus is a good NT example. John the baptist told the pharisees clearly what repentance is. Go put right what you put wrong.
    Andrew is 100% correct, people hate real repentance.
    Folk want to change their mind but not their lifestyles, that’s not repentance

  79. Gordon Neil Nov 22nd 2013

    Dust Off Your Feet …….means that curses are upon the place where ever that do not receive Jesus and it means move on. Moving on is not easy for us that have things and families and such. Ask God about all this things.

    Pray! Yes, ValleyAnt! Does God hear the Christians-as-usual prayers? Does He respond to all the work, all the prayers, all the sacrifices in the name of God — for God …trying to trick Him into accepting us; do our thing! Do we do that sort of thing; that brand of sin – religious moves reaching out to Him to get what we want …selfish, self-centered?

    The Idolatry in this land is the Big Noise and getting louder; the show, the music, the drum beat ……the hypnotic sounds, the religious spirits in, passed on in the evil spirits. It has been going on from the start of what many foreigners call ‘The Land of the Free’.

    If the president was murdered today, it would not be as the JFK case. However, it may cause a great chaos within the United States Church membership that include atheist as well as Christians and whatever. I am a Texan and I know who murdered JFK ……….His name is Big Money by the Power of Satan. …….the Crude, the Rude, powers in Texas do not mind us claiming to be Christians at all. No Biggy! Why? One good reason, since most do not know Jesus personally, they do not know the ENEMY. A man or woman of God moving closer, from Glory to Glory are learning who, what, when, where, why and how ‘God is’ and ‘ that’s not God’. I have seen the signs and wonders in Christian gathering, in churches that are NOT GOD! So, the false prophet, he laughs …saying, “Just follow the magic.”

    America, check this out for yourselves, has been based on Traditions of Good Intentions …our own words while strong arming behind the scenes intrigued, pursuing the power of magic/powers of Devil – Satan come as an actor, actress or director of darkness, a builder, a mason, a leader, a sheriff, a teacher, a pastor, a profit, a Baptist, a Catholic, a swinger, a pole cat, a pig wearing lip stick but no clothes, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Methodist, an Assembly of God, an atheist, a knight, a war hero, a freedom fighter, a citizen, a manager, a wolf, an eagle, a Mormon, a Twelve Stepper, a snake, an idol of Mary, superstition and magic show of all kinds, sports, science, education ………development, self help and a mingling for all kinds, and ………………statues of gods, pictures and statues of personalities and of devils of horror, ……..and paganism goes on …………….the Broadway. ………going for the Tower of One under Satan’s witch craft. The Tower Building, the One World …….is under the slavery of Satan. Very few are going to be addressed as an ANT ..a love that Keeps On Keeping On Keeping It Simple; not the GIANT most are striving to be, in their own minds, their works, their ways, their devotions, their madness’s of trying to be accepted, trying to be somebody. Not the GAINT ministry, not the GIANT’s eye. The Games People Play; interesting book.

    note: ANT societies have division of labour, communication between individuals, and an ability to solve complex problems. These parallels with human societies have long been an inspiration and subject of study. – Wiki

    All the kingdoms of this world belongs to Satan today! All the games the Government play are simply of Satan …the vote or armed war. There are Ambassadors here and there not of this world that have become/come in the flesh. Their citizenship is not Roman for we see by Paul, a lesson of how drunk the kingdoms of this world is ….a note for all that can see and hear ……’Come out from among them. Separate yourselves …now! And that starts in us, in our flesh family and friends. If married ……obey God. Ask God about these real fights (spiritual) at and around home. Evil, sin is very seductive; tug on the heart. However, if you captive of appeal, the nature, sinful nature of the flesh.

    Matthew 7:7-12: Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking
    “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receive, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    Matthew 4:8-9; Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

    The Few following Jesus Christ in all their affairs will learn, will know the Enemy for he or she in Christ, the Bride comes out of the fire as ‘gold’ ……pure and clean of all defects of character. Praying in tongues ……..praying when you do not know what to pray for. Prayer in the Christian Churches, Christians telling you how to pray ……and remind you to send money; make donations so I can continue to tell you how it is.

    He has power and his influence is surely growing ……..God said He was sorry, He repented from making man. God made amends by His own Blood for Noah, yes, God found one, just one, that was righteous, loved God; God loved Noah and Noah worshipped God. God made One Way for those Few coming as God’s righteousness in His Sons’ Bride………..the Prize of Repentance and Transformation. Father God ………..”Were you there when they crucified My Lord? Oh, were you there when they crucified My Lord?” Where is the Trembling of Repentance? The Tearing of your Clothes; a sign!

    The magic tricks, the paganism in the Christians Churches-As-Usual is Hugh; the seduction, finding programs to seduce more and more while feeding the community and getting the money in. It works, tugs at people’s hearts; HOWEVER, giving can be NOT GOD and comes a simply conning the people; the givers.

    An Example: “I will tell you how to pray; you send me money so I can con more for I am doing God’s will, He called me.” Many bear the burdens of religious sins sick and spreads the deception just like the pollution of our wheat fields, our foods, our skies. Today’s way throughout the fiber of almost all the people is get what they can, while we can get it; peace or not. Get out of my way/our way and let me bake the cake.

    I pray the destruction of all idols, the signs and symbols of the paganism throughout the Nation; not praying as to the injury of others. Loving, praying for your ENEMIES can simply translate ‘Do not kill; murder’ It keeps our minds “Turning our will, our hearts and our minds over to the care of God ………He is our Avenger. Talk to Him about all this. Jesus Is Coming Soon, one Way or the other.

  80. Allison Nov 22nd 2013

    I am so appreciative of Marie’s comments and all the comments from others. As Jesus stated in John 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” We have a problem with the visible church here in the United States. Most of what goes on does not line up with the New Testament.

    Most churches think that a degree from a Seminary is all a pastor or church leader needs. That is intellectual knowledge.

    Our Lord requires that His disciples be filled with His Spirit, speak by the power of His Spirit and be led by His Spirit. As Jesus said in: John 18:36a “My kingdom is not of this world:” so how can we use worldly methods to further His Kingdom?

    Zechariah 4:6b…………Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

    Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

    Check out this testimony of a Godly man, John Sung, whom the Lord raised up to strengthen the Chinese church in the 1930’s. He studied theology at the Union Theological Seminary but the Holy Spirit fell on him and he realized that what he was studying was worthless. After a true repentance and a seeking of the Lord alone he was filled with the Spirit and joy. The Seminary not understanding what happened to him sent him in a mental hospital where the Lord told him he would be there a specified length of time where he would get his true training by the Holy Spirit alone.

    URL: http://www.watchword.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=43

    May there be a spirit of humbling and repentance across this land
    so that we may be healed.

  81. “Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.” (Psalm 2:8 NASB)

    We are asking – You are hearing our cries Lord – through these comments – the cries of our heart that the nations would turn to You and that the ends of the earth would become Your possession…

    Let Your Presence invade this place and lift up the Name of Jesus… :-)

  82. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    Marie, it is not about America only….it is about the entire world of mankind. The Sin of America is not unique to her. It always makes everyone feel better to have somewhere to point, to compare their dress as cleaner than others. You all best look into the mirror. All the world of mankind is guilty…all are wearing dirty garments. Satan is after the entire world and he rules it.

    All who use and support your life, relying on the conveniences of man and gathering together for your safety in cities have ignored God’s word…no matter what you are taught in church. God has clearly pointed out the path from the beginning when He first destroyed Babylon as to how we should live our life, physically and spiritually. Most did not get the point! We were meant to be farmers…tilling the soil.

    Yes….you better learn to grow your food as God intended….till the soil…..instead of opening a plastic bag or carton. Your plastic will help no one, feed no one, neither will your words….when it comes time to help and protect God’s people when the false ones turn upon them….as even now they are doing throughout the world.

    It is a diversion discussing a neighbor! Fast….pray….prepare for what is coming!

    Then, when you see people starving around you, you might be able to offer them something to eat….that would truly show them that you believed every word of your God. He has told you what is coming and how it is coming and when it is coming….yet you continue to do what is easiest….speaking words.

    I thank America for being there when people are hungry and for feeding them with food….more than any other nation upon this world, America has been there for the needy…the sick….and the hungry. America will not be judged by her churches….no more than the world will be judged by her churches….as most all are faulty. She, and the world will be judged by each individual heart that beats upon it.

  83. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    I pray this prayer for the nation of America, and the hearts of the individuals within her…not for America’s churches. The True Church of God is within the heart of those humans who have allowed the Holy Spirit to enter them via Yeshua’s Work of Sacrifice…it is not a building. I pray this prayer for all who know and try their best to do as God Wills, living according to God’s way.

    LORD, My Father, My God, Who keeps His Words, Who shows mercy towards those who love Him and keep His commandments; We confess our sins and admit our unworthiness before you. All Correctness and Righteousness is Yours alone.

    Acknowledging this, we still come to You and ask for Your mercy and for Your forgiveness because You alone are the Source of all things. Enable us to help You restore our nation and our laws unto You, LORD. Have mercy on us and turn us from our iniquities back to Your Truth. O LORD, according to all Your Righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from this our nation, founded by You in these latter times to be a Sanctuary for those seeking You. Do not let us be trodden down. Restore our nation and people to the purpose for which You created us in the Wilderness on the this side of the earth to keep your people safe during the Wrath and deliver them to you upon your return. Have mercy on us for the sake of Your Name and those within our country who seek Your Will and desire Your Kingdom on earth above all else. Have mercy on us for Your Will’s sake alone, because we are not deserving, but rely totally on Your Mercy, LORD.

    Hear our prayer, reaching out…..seeking Your Everlasting Sustaining Strong Hand. Forgive us Lord and supply what You know we need to overcome the situations we will find ourselves in so that we can endure until Your return. Grasp our outreached hand within Yours and restore us quickly before the dark consumes our land. Save us for Your purpose, and grow Your Truth in all peoples and nations, especially Israel. Pull us to our feet so that we can be a worthy friend of Israel in these latter times.

    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Our Savior, and returning King of Kings, we, who have the testimony of Jesus Christ, Your Son, ask of You these things; giving You all of the love within our hearts. Thank You, Father.

    Amen

  84. Andrew Nov 22nd 2013

    Yes – most places are as bad as America.

    But the difference is that America is a ‘WORLDWIDE LEADER’

    She leads other nations into things – for good or bad. And what has she been leading the world into? Pornography, violence, Mammon-worship, etc, – on a scale unseen in history.

    That is why Judgment is occurring.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  85. watchful Nov 22nd 2013

    Bless you Gordon Neil..

    I also would add my prayer that the Lord would turn hearts to Him in America, Claudia, amen.

  86. “and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—” (Revelation 1:5 NASB)

    Thank You Jesus that You are the Ruler – right now – of the kings of the earth – You have that place of authority in our world…

    Show Your Authority Lord – Presence Yourself – I invite You to Presence Yourself amongst the leadership of Your Church on earth – presence Yourself amongst the leadership of Nations on earth and let Your Glory be felt by all whom You have delegated authority to – to rule and execute lovingkindness, justice and righteousness on earth – these three things in which You delight…

    Let Your Authority be felt and let all false authority be annulled in Jesus Name – You want us to live in peace so Your Gospel “not counting their iniquities against them” can be preached throughout the entire world – let us live in peace by You exerting the Authority You have – You have been given by Your Father – through the human vessels whom You have chosen for leadership on this earth – carrying out Your commission to make disciples of all the nations – baptising all the nations and teaching all the nations to observe all the things which You instructed the original 12 Apostles before You left earth…

    We long to see Your Authority released – we offer ourselves up to be channels of Your Authority – for Your Name to be elevated and glorified in this earth – elevate Your Great Name Jesus – elevate the Blood which You shed which has released all of us who know You from our sins – never to be remembered any more…

    We worship You Lord and we place You on the Highest Place…

    Come Lord Jesus and take Your Place…

    Cover us all with Your Protection…

    And Glorify Your Name in our midst as we gather to seek Your Face…

    We welcome You here Holy Spirit – speak, speak Your words of truth to us…

    And let us hear them and believe…

    Worship You Lord…

  87. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    Andrew…..there are NO leaders, unless there are those who have the heart to follow. The followers make the leaders. America was blessed and prospered, before our governments and schools took God out of the equation during the World Wars…creeping socialism/communism lead by satan. We have been on the decline ever since…because we turned to oil, technology, man’s knowledge,….but so has the entire world. The last generation still lives that looks to YHWH, and that will bring us through. Our prosperity has allowed us to help those in need (more than any other nation…look it up), but it also caused man to forget how to work, and to turn to his enjoyment for pleasure, instead of a job well done.

    Yeshua will judge us for what we follow. We either follow satan and his lies or YHWH via HIS Truth, Yeshua.

    All the ripe spots on earth that breed abominations will have judgement fall upon them. All who approve of these abominations or follow them will be judged.

    We can only see what is prominent and above ground. YHWH is seeing what is happening in the dark..to his children….and there is far more happening in the dark beyond America’s shores that you do not know of.

    New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and coastal shores no doubt will be destroyed…..but that is just a tip of what is coming world wide in other places.

  88. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    Also….most of the world is following socialism or communism, (where the government is supreme over a god). They are not following the freedom of each individual to pursue his life to the best of his ability under the standards of YHWH. They are looking to their government to take care of them,….giving their freedom to the government so they can be provided for.

    Also…I don’t think that America is the leader or the one that the world is looking towards anymore. You might best look towards China, and think upon all the unborn children that are ripped from their mothers’ wombs there. Look at them and their partnerships around the world and in the middle east. Start watching the Russian and Chinese news stations to get another view of the world. The last I noticed….most people in the world have been taught to hate America….and this has been so for some time.

  89. Davy Jones Nov 22nd 2013

    HELLO!!

  90. Davy Jones Nov 22nd 2013

    We will not win the lost with a message of judgement and condemnation. Jesus never treated the lost that way. Nor should we. He went to where the people were and he loved them and met them right where they were. He showed love and compassion, forgiveness and grace.

  91. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    Before HIS Sacrifice, Yeshua was speaking to HIS Apostles, (those HE appointed), as there was strife amongst them as which one was the best. (self centeredness). Much like we are now discussing nations and churches on this forum. In the following verses, Yeshua explains much….including that these Apostles are the unique ones that will be judging the 12 tribes that come into the Millennium Kingdom upon earth.(The self appointed apostles of today will not be doing that). HE also makes the point that the measurement standard is about SERVICE. (Service is clothing the poor, feeding the hungry, protecting the needy, etc. For a reminder, read the parable of the goats and sheep which Yeshua is dividing after HE returns.). Which makes me again state that we are not going to be judged by the performance of our “churches”, but by each individual heart’s performance within the churches and the nations. The fact that Yeshua ends this discussion with noting that they have been with HIM through HIS temptations up until the end, and than tells them to buy swords after HE is gone, leads me to believe that HE knew that satan would be hot on their trail once HIS protection up until that time is removed, and that they will also be subject to persecution and/or death in this world ruled by satan. He also states that things concerning HIM have an end. HE also tells Simon that Simon will deny HIM, but when Simon’s faith is truly converted that he should use it to strengthen his brothers.

    LUKE 22: 25-37
    And Jesus said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? Is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. (Jesus is saying that the world thinks the greater is the one who sits at the table being served…but HIS example is just the opposite….it is the one that “serves”, as we all know.)

    Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel;

    And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. And Simon said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. And Jesus said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. (In other words, none of us can be so certain how strong our faith is….we rely totally upon Yeshua sustaining us in our Faith.)

    And Jesus said unto them, “When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said Jesus unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written, “And he was reckoned among the transgressors:”, must yet be accomplished in me, for the things concerning me have an end.”

    Why was Jesus asking them to buy a sword? Is it because we the believers are now entering into a world at war with us….where we are also considered the transgressors if we walk without denying HIM, and follow HIS standards? Jesus was well aware that He was here to accomplish the beginning of the end of all things that are not within YHWH’s Will. Perhaps we will be able to take up the Sword upon our transformation (after all who will make their choice have done so) and serve within HIS Army, removing the tares and all who stand against the Sanctuary. There is a time for war…..at YHWH’s call.

    The End Times are all about destruction, the end of this Grace we are in, the coming overt rule of satan upon earth, the troddening under of the Sanctuary, until the last trumpet sounds….ENOUGH! As Yeshua said, “…things concerning me have an end.” It is all about the ENDING! Endure until the END!

  92. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    Davey Jones, You are absolutely correct. It is all about trying to seek the best for others, being their friend, holding our hands out, available to guide them to the Light…..unless they are evil….and the evil ones we should cast to YHWH’s Will and protect others from them.

  93. Davy Jones Nov 22nd 2013

    Claudia,

    So “evil ones” can’t come to accept Christ and have their lives changed? Were we all not evil ones because we had an encounter with Gods love and Grace?

  94. Richard Nov 22nd 2013

    I watched a tv evangelist for a little while during breakfast this morning. It was boring. He was trying to be entertaining and his message was confusing and he seemed a little reality challenged.

    No wonder all the churches are trying entertainment to get people to go to church.

    My point is that the gospel is not boring. But their ministries are. Maybe is is because God is not with them.

  95. Davy Jones Nov 22nd 2013

    Sorry, before we had an encouter with God’s love and Grace?

  96. Claudia Nov 22nd 2013

    No…we were all not evil at one time. We were fallen. All are sinners. There is a difference between being a sinner and being evil. Satan is evil….are you going to save him? Evil knows good and deliberately chooses evil.

    If you see someone tortureing and cutting up a human and eating the flesh and blood thereof….are you going to do what YHWH said we should do….or are you going to let him continue? Are you going to embrace him with love so he can continue this act upon others? We are to give them to God….clearly taught in God’s word.

    Evil is way beyond the bounds of being a sinner. Evil follows satan with purpose and intent….knowing YHWH but rejecting HIM for the other.

    Let us not get into symantics. You do as you will….according to your understanding. But I would check into what God says about the matter….not what man says.

  97. Davy Jones Nov 22nd 2013

    Wow Claudia,
    The scriptures says “whoever shall call on the name of the Lord, shall be saved” Check out these verses: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
    11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    How about the Apostle Paul, he rounded up Christians and had them killed. That’s pretty evil. And yet he ended up a great Apostle of Christ. So are you saying that the blood of Jesus is not able to save and cleanse those who are evil? The scriptures teach us that His blood is able to save to the uttermost.

  98. Inspired Nov 22nd 2013

    Interesting comment Claudia, concerning seeing some one torturing and cutting up some one and eating their flesh and blood there of. If someone was to do this in the natural then the first instinct would be to kill the person doing it, to save the one who was being cut up. However there are people every day that torture and bite and devour people with words or deeds toward them. Yet we want to incarcerate or kill the one doing this in the natural, and probably justifiably so, because there are penalties to cause and effect.
    To kill someone is different than to murder with malice.
    To be angry with a brother is to do murder.

  99. Darren Sargent Nov 22nd 2013

    “Even you being EVIL, even you know how to give good gifts to your children,”

    Does that sound familiar? I know it’s a paraphrase but Jesus calls the parents of children evil. To divide between evil and sin is to lessen sin, is to mute and tone down sin. To quieten sin to denigrate the sacrifice that put it away and the One who made that sacrifice. It is also a form of justification for sinners outside of faith wherein we say, ‘I’m a sinner but I am not as bad as that!’

    Claudia, I have committed holocausts in my heart: in myself I know I am evil. There can be no distinction bewteen sin and evil; they are one and the same. The one whom God has convicted of sin knows he stands inline with the most pernicious villains of history: Hitler, Stalin, Shipman, Brady, Attila the Hun and me. If I do not claim my ‘evil’ I cannot hope in that singular ground upon which a man like myself can ‘impossibly’ be made righteous in His eyes: faith in Jesus. Take that away and you take my Lord away.

    “What then? do we excuse ourselves? No, in no wise: for we have before charged both Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God; They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not so much as one: Their throat is an open sepulchre; With their tongues they have used deceit: The poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mout is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood; Destruction and misery are in their ways; And the way of peace they have not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
    Romans 3:9-18

  100. Darren Sargent Nov 22nd 2013

    Davy, He called some evil, some a brood of vipers, one particular person He called a female fox, He even used violence at one point to drive some out of the temple, He called one woman a dog, He even spoke to one of His closest friends as if that friend were Satan himself, He rebuked a host for his lack of hospitality. This does not marry with the popular image you are painting. This is an entirely different man you are speaking about.

    He was a man of sorrows; He was always being rejected and cursed and despised. He was abandoned by those closest to Him. He died alone.

  101. Davy Jones Nov 23rd 2013

    Daron, I never said there were no evil people in the world. But said there are evil people beyond redemption. I don’t believe that. No one is so evil that the blood of Jesus can not save them.

  102. You are Wonderful Jesus and we worship You… :-)

    All the angels in heaven worship You – they bow before Your Throne and they cry out, “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God Almighty, the whole earth is filled with Your Glory”…

    And we agree – we agree with You and we agree with Your Holy angels…

    Let the whole earth be filled with Your Glory – with people who reflect Your Image – Your likeness – the likeness of Jesus Christ – on this earth… :-)

    We welcome Your Presence here on earth – we welcome You – come Lord Jesus and take Your Place… :-)

    We welcome You in Your Church – come Lord Jesus and take Your Place… :-)

    Thank You Lord… :-)

    In unity and in agreement around Your Throne – we agree with You… :-)

    Your Kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven…

    Yes Lord – come… :-)

    Manifest Your Presence on earth through us – Your children…

    Worship You Lord… :-)

  103. 100% Zululander Nov 23rd 2013

    the Lord Jesus treated the religious & the non religious folk very differently Davey.
    Some need to be thoroughly & publicly rebuked & disciplined & others need loving encouragement, even in the church. Trouble is, the people who have the credibility to do it are not doing it

  104. The Sword of the Lord is against the spirit of witchcraft…

    As I was praying this afternoon for my youngest son Zechariah who suddenly for no reason came down with acute tooth ache I saw the spirit of witchcraft coming against our family…

    I covered us with the Blood and claimed that through the Righteousness of Christ we were covered and protected not through any righteousness of our own – the pain went away and he went to sleep – a few minutes later the pain came back and he was screaming again – so I prayed again – and then a third time it came back and I went up and prayed again and this third time I saw the Righteous Judgement of God unleashed against the spirit of witchcraft – I saw His Sword which He has raised and I gave Him permission – loosing it on earth – for His Righteous Judgement to fall on the spirit of witchcraft – anyone who will not distance themselves from this spirit will experience it and those who will shelter under the Blood will be protected…

    Zechariah after the third prayer suddenly said, “I feel perfectly good now”…

    I love my little son and the Lord used that experience to show me the power of believing prayer against spiritual opposition (I also started getting a sore neck and a headache – both of which have now lifted)…

    We worship You Lord that You carry the Sword…

    Strike to the heart of the spirit of witchcraft which has blinded the eyes of Your people and brought error – deception – as my brother was sharing with me yesterday – and pride – as he was also sharing with me – pride to your people – hindering unity – what the Lord is showing me now…

    We overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and by the word of our testimony and we need to lay down our lives unto death…

    Lift us up Lord – Your people who do not want to be under the deception and flattery of the spirit of witchcraft – and judge this spirit Lord – judge it in Jesus Name…

    “Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. ‘And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.” (Revelation 2:22-23 NASB)

    Raise up the piercing clarity of the Prophetic – raise up Your Prophets Lord – remove the blindness from our eyes – and let us see what You are seeing – and speak forth what You are speaking forth – speak with boldness through us Lord – speak with boldness through Your entire Church in the Mighty Name of Jesus…

    It is time to arise…

    And stand for truth…

    Be our Banner Jesus – be our banner – and let the world see that You delight in lovingkindness, justice and righteousness…

    Through us…

    In Jesus Name…

    Thank You Lord…

    Worship You Jesus…

    Let the Blood cover us all…

  105. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    A lack of hunger?
    Wow God must be really at a loss as to how to save His people and build His church now!
    He must surely be wringing His hands in frustration now!
    He must surely be saying to Himself, ” There’s a lack of hunger in My western church- I never saw this coming. Now I can’t be Myself because My hands are tied now that there is a lack of hunger for spiritual things in My western church!”

    NOT!!!!!!!
    What a puny miserable God this woman serves.
    Read Ezekiel 38-39 and tell me how much “hunger” for the things of God those dead dry bones had when God called them to live and become a great army.

    My Dear Sister- you need to get rid of your view of God and read the Bible again.
    Like God is threatened by a lack of hunger!

    PAAAALLLLLEEEZZA!

  106. Andrew Nov 23rd 2013

    Jesus said that only those who “Hunger and thirst” after righteousness can expect to be filled.

    God’s words – not mine.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  107. Marilyn Crow Nov 23rd 2013

    Dear Claudia,

    I hear your heart for our precious Lord but I am concerned with some of your words, as they are beginning to sound like `Dominionism.` Remember I spoke about that in the last thread. Andrew S. said that people on this site do not agree with NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) however it is infiltrating all areas of Christianity, through songs, books, teachings etc, like the frog who slowly gets boiled, this teaching is everywhere.

    Here are it`s main false teaching.

    1. `We can change the world. `They seek people of good will whether Christian or non-Christian to lead society in 7 areas – religion, family, government, arts & entertainment, media, business & education. They call them the 7 moulders of culture.
    They partner with the world system, which belongs to Satan.

    2. They say -There will be a special army, transformed so they cannot die who will physically fight the enemies on earth. They call them `Joel`s army,` from Joel 2 but they misinterpret this for God says this army is the Northern army, (Joel 2: 20)

    3. They believe that they will take dominion of the earth & give it to Christ when He comes. They have an earthly focus.

    Now you said –

    Quote`Why was Jesus asking them to buy a sword? Is it because we the believers are now entering into a world at war with us….where we are also considered the transgressors if we walk without denying HIM, and follow HIS standards? Jesus was well aware that He was here to accomplish the beginning of the end of all things that are not within YHWH’s Will. Perhaps we will be able to take up the Sword upon our transformation (after all who will make their choice have done so) and serve within HIS Army, removing the tares and all who stand against the Sanctuary. There is a time for war…..at YHWH’s call. `Unquote.

    Jesus was talking to his disciples concerning Israel`s future. They have an earthly inheritance & have to fight physically while the Body of Christ has a heavenly inheritance & we do not physically fight `flesh & blood.`

    This link `discernment ministries,` exposes this false teaching very well.

    http://www.discernment-ministries.org/articles.html

    Bless you, Marilyn C.

  108. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    Davy, I was simply referring to your portrait of Jesus.

    Marie’s article here is prophetic in that it removes the lens of culture through which we view our world and sees the big picture. It sees as God sees; if only we knew and could see the genuine conditions of our hearts and of our society that God could see – we would be appalled. Prophetic doesn’t simply mean prediction but the ability to look at a situation and diagnose as God sees: the patient is terminal. It must be spoken as it is.

    Yes, there is the Valley of Dry Bones. But where is the Son of Man company who will prophesy to the Spirit so that these dry bones will live? Ezekiel had to be the one to prophesy. Where is the Ezekiel company whose spoken word is event and will bring life in the midst of death? We need to be brought to that position, it will not just happen. It is not some trick, not some virtuoso who will have a special gift in that moment – rather that moment is the sum of all those moments leading up to that speaking and if we are not habituated in our death and His life our word will fall flat. This is a picture of the End Times people. Will our spoken word raise the dead? The issue is not God’s readiness – it is ours.

  109. Marilyn Crow Nov 23rd 2013

    Darren Sargent,

    You also are influenced by Dominionist false teaching. The `Valley of dry bones,` is Israel that God is referring to. He is the one who brings them back to their land, & He is the one who will bring life back into them.

    Marilyn C.

  110. Carl Emerson Nov 23rd 2013

    Dear Darren,

    If Jesus can use an donkey to speak His word (Num 22:28), so can He not use whomever he chooses as His mouthpeace ?

    And Balaam with the intent to curse Israel can only bless because His word prevails regardless of the motive of the individual.

    I cant then agree that prophets have to attain some state of perfection before they can proclaim His word, He rather acts despite our condition and in some cases even if the heart is not willing.

    The modern teaching that puts man at the center of the prophetic word to me is an abomination.

    If I have proclaimed His word (and I have) it is all because of His Grace and power. May His name be praised.

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

  111. Gordon Neil Nov 23rd 2013

    Hunger ………means to me worship God. Having a Conscious Contact with God the Father …….knowing He is the Consuming Fire for He is Holy! Hunger for God’s Love, His Promises, His Presence ………is the Joy of the Lord daily. Enjoying the Presence of God by the Holy Spirit. So many in the Christian Churches-as-Usual worship in the madness of false prophets/ministries or worship a dry imaginary minds of God in deafness – a deadness.

    The Big Noise of the world tries to kill, steal and destroy any Presence of God …in our homes, in work, in church. I heard a woman’s testimony that tried so hard to save her family. Finally, she learned to remain in the Presence of the Lord and then she said, “Tending to my own business makes for a long day (more peaceful one). And then some may notice, “Something is wrong with mom, with Honey. Doesn’t she love us/love me any more!”

    I have been in so many services where the Joy of the Lord in Assembly/Dress Right Dress congregations that has cut off the Spirit in Services by the false worship in music and in song; followers following the program instead of the Spirit. The Spirit is Order, not necessarily the program-as-usual. In services where words drop dead …….of no expression of Hunger ..Asking God to extent His hand ………..in His Promise of healing and provisions. No one seems to listen, believe, get excited unless there is a hand out in love in food, in healing, in miracles with the Seal of The Power’s love, Our Father who is in Heaven.

    This is where the magic show, the dressed up drama is holding the attention of many. Actually, there is the Bread of Life all around if we can see and hear. Knowing the Enemy is a must, a Narrow Way seems so heart breaking at times; especially, to a mother/a wife in Love with Jesus.

    The Joy of the Lord is merely had by the Engagement in Spirit ..the Love of God. …..And the wanting, the reaching out to love others. It is tough, it hurts today IF you are for REAL in Christ.

    We see God can send His angel to fulfill His promises, give us a better life practicing His principles BUT He Himself withdraws IF we do not Love Him. Exodus 33 …because otherwise He would Consume most, on the spot. The stiff-necked, stupid and ignorant, blind and so arrogant/passive ……Christians All Dressed UP or in Short Shorts or have inked our bodies with our true loves BUT no Place to Go! Revival/Survival is found only in the Love of God. Survival Course is Light Burdens even in our troubles because the WE love God, WE worship God because He loves us personally …Paid The Price for us – even for just the Few. The Hunger for His Love …that is Life.

    Jesus, “Will I find any faith when I return?”

    Just a thought: If I were God, I think I would be a Consuming Fire. As a matter of fact …………….how about ‘words or music notes we call praise.’ Just a thought …a few seeds! There is Life or Death; Blessing or Curses!

    May you enjoy of the Love, the Presence of God today, all day long by His Spirit.

  112. AJH wrote: It is time to arise…

    And stand for truth…

    Be our Banner Jesus – be our banner – and let the world see that You delight in lovingkindness, justice and righteousness…quote…………………………..

    Was glad to read the testimony of the power of Christ working in and through you.

    This is why it is so important to refrain from any type of the occult whether it is promoted by Christians or the world as harmless entertainment. Any form of the occult is an open door to the powers of darkness. It needs to be repented of and the door slammed shut.

    Lord Bless,
    GaryB

  113. Jda016 Nov 23rd 2013

    God is all powerful. Nothing gets by him and his sovereignty is not in question, however He often laments over the state of his people throughout Scripture. Free will does take it’s toll and God allows it. I believe many Christians are living far below what God intends for them. There is a deeper intimacy with God that must be sought with our own free will; a will that repents and honors God’s commandments.

    This is not a call of condemnation, but of repentance and change- a hope that people will leave luke warmness and rekindle the passion once again for God. This passion is sought after and it is also given to us by God as we seek Him.

    The original post is spot on. It is important to be reminded of our failings if we are still persisting in them. If we are shown our error then there is a chance of repentance and change. I do not fear judgment on my country as much as I fear there being no one left to point out sin and call for repentance.

  114. Inspired Nov 23rd 2013

    Amen Barry!! Well said!! Big God and not a puny one!

    I was going to post this yesterday and decided not to however Barry’s comment made me do it.
    Seems everyone wants to bash the western world.
    Something I think we can all agree is that something has to be dead before it can be revived. Just call us Lazarus/God has helped, and watch when He raises the dead/ignorant. Nevertheless, the righteous are not forsaken and His seed is not begging for bread/life.
    When there is no life in the church, people will seek life elsewhere.

  115. The key issue in “hunger” is found in Matt 5:6 blesed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness….

    there are many who are hungry for something, and a hungry man will welcome anything offered to him. This is why the spiritual junk food business is prospering so well right now.

    Those who eat only junk food are not healthy, whether in the natural or in the spiritual.

  116. watchful Nov 23rd 2013

    …sadly GaryB, even worse is when many are being deceived by the occult/bewitching going on in the churches and then propagating it.

    There is a kind of childish belief going on that Christians will arise like superheroes and conquer the earth………whereas our victory and triumphing is not by sight as the world counts victory. Our triumph and victory is the same as Jesus’ was, who went to the cross before rising…….There is persecution coming to believers in the western world as elsewhere, and the Lord is so faithful to prepare us for it if we are willing and not in denial….Victory is to not deny the Lord but to remain faithful to Him to the end. Defeat is to deny the Lord and His words, and turn to persecute the faithful. What I understand is that the meek will INHERIT the earth, not take dominion of it……….Jesus will take dominion upon His return and then give it to the meek who remain faithful, thus restoring to man what Adam had lost, but this is only through Christ, not without Him. So first we must follow Jesus and pass through the veil of death as He did, though not everyone will taste death. Remembering that God’s ways are not man’s ways.

    Amen Marilyn, it seems strange how some get that Joel’s army is the church, when that army was so plainly judgment against the church of that time (ancient Israel). Just goes to show that people will go so far and further to twist the scriptures to make them agree with their vain imaginations, and then spread that kind of teaching to those who trust in them. Instead of being still and allowing the word renew their mind, they are trying to renew the scriptures with their unregenerate mind! Why?…..maybe just as it says, because of vanity and wanting the glory/credit for their own ideas. What a silly thing to give up God’s glory for.

  117. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    Carl,

    “Be Perfect as I am Perfect.” Lev 11:44

    The bar is set high by Him.

    Isn’t this the very attitude that has got us into this trouble? We have to be totally dead – not just mostly dead; this slipshod slovenly attitude to the standards of God betrays our thoughtlessness of Him and perhaps our eventual despising of His authority.

    Yes, He can use anyone. This is another cheap and easy ‘get-out’ from Charismatica: ‘God can use anyone and anything, so I don’t have to set my face to seek Him or consult Him or wait on Him or travail in tears’. The cup could not be taken from Jesus; it was His will. Sometimes we want a donkey to do our job. But if God has chosen us for the job, then it is us who must do it – or it will never be done; and it must be done under the conditions he sets – not ours.

    It is the perogative of God alone to use a donkey to speak or to carry a King – not ours. Your implication of the scripture you sampled is that ‘our condition does not matter – God will be God, in fact we can have duplicitous hearts and God will still bring a word to change the world’. Once again, this is God’s perogative. It is in God alone to bring good out of evil – to prove His faithfulness when All are unfaithful. When the hope in the Word of God hangs by a single man or woman in a single generation it is God’s perogative to assert His faithfulness when we are not.

    The fact that He does use an instrument does not guarantee that the one He uses He indwells and has a full relationship with. Because He is Sovereign, He will bring goodness out of the vilest situation when He wills it. It is not for us to will it.

    We cannot command the Spirit/God except for one situation: the Valley of Dry Bones . . .

    We are commanded to command/prophesy to the Spirit. And YES! Marilyn you are spot on: those dead bones are Israel but perhaps Ezekiel is us? The Lord refers to Him as the Son of Man (just as Jesus referred to Himself). Who is this Son of Man company? – not Elijah company! not Elijah list! Yes, God will raise and plant them in the Land once more but it is WE who must do the speaking to give a life-giving word while they are sifted through the nations once more. The responsibility will be on our shoulders to be in a position to get the work done – that our Word will be indivisible from His, it will be Event and it will be Life. Salvation is for the Jew first! And our salvation was purely to provoke them to jealousy. When all hope is visibly gone, God will meet them in the wilderness and they shall see God in our faces and hear God on our lips; and when we say to them ‘Your God reigns and He is coming!’ that Word must be quickened. Otherwise those bones won’t rise.

    Only if the bar is set high and the stakes are set high will we respond; only if we see the future of the Jew dependent on us will we cry out. I wonder how much blood will need to be spilt to get us to our knees . . .

    . . . but if God wants to send a donkey . . .

  118. Inspired Nov 23rd 2013

    Donald writes the key issue is hunger. Hunger for righteousness, which is Christ. Christ is the righteousness of God. God supplied this to u, through Christ.
    Paul even says that the mystery hidden from the ages but now being revealed is Christ in us the hope of glory.
    God has imputed His righteousness/Christ to us.
    1 Corinthians 8:6
    nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him.”
    Scripture also says there is none good or righteous, and Yeshua says Only God is good, and righteous.
    I woke up this morning and still had His breath/life, something that I can not generate, and yet His righteousness worked in me to live.
    Can you generate your breath to live? Neither can I and I have to depend on Him.
    We need to understand we are dependent on Him for everything, from the very heart beat and breath to the resurrection of life.

  119. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    Dear Brother Andrew – Jesus DID NOT SAY , “only those who hunger and thirst after righteousness can expect to be filled”.

    He SAID , ” BLESSED ARE THOSE who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for THEY will be filled.”

    There is an ENORMOUS difference between your misquote and what Jesus was teaching.

    Blessed- well off, fortunate, to be envied are those who hunger-

    Why ? Because NOONE HUNGERS NATURALLY.
    spiritual Hunger is a gift from God .

    No one hungers for God out of their own heart. No one can wring spiritual hunger out of their selfish hearts.
    What does the Bible say?
    T here is none who understands, T here is none who seeks for G od; A ll have turned aside, together they have become useless; T here is none who does good, T here is not even one.” (Romans 3:11, 12 NASB)

    No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘A nd they shall all be taught of G od.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. (John 6:44, 45 NASB)

    According to my Bible hunger after God COMES AS A GIFT FROM GOD!
    It is not self willed my friend.
    Adam and Eve were. to looking for God. They were running away and hiding from God! God took to initiative to find Adam. Adams sons haven’t changed.

    The day men start hungering for spiritual things will indeed be a very frightening day because it will mean he is hungering after a self effort religion that REPLACES GOD – not a hunger after the God of the Bible.
    It will be a day when men boast in their flesh!
    If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. (Galatians 5:25, 26 NASB)

    We must be careful not to stir up and incite the flesh in our teaching.
    This article is a 100% flesh stirring article.
    Where is the discernment in body?
    We are so accustomed to self will, self motivation that we have no discernment to distinguish between motivation and teaching that comes from the Spirit and that which is flesh.

  120. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    Sorry I meant that to be a question:
    Are we so accustomed to self will and self motivation that we have no true spiritual discernment to distinguish between motivation and teaching that comes from the Spirit and that which is flesh?

  121. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    Spiritual hunger is JESUS OWN SPIRITUAL HUNGER- not one thing of self.

    Was Paul hungering for God on his way to destroy the church when Jesus arrested him ?

    Were those dry bones hungering after God in Ezekiel’s vision of the valley of dry bones?

    Were the disciples hungering after God when they all fell asleep in the garden and when they all fled – one of them was so hungry for Jesus he ran off naked! Lol

    Was their ever a sinner saved by grace who was hungering after God?
    My Bible says they were dead in their transgressions and sins and were enemies with God!
    I have seen a lot of dead men in my life- none of them were were hungry?

    When men stir up their own hunger it is NOT FOR GOD- it is so they can be in control, so they can replace the work of God in their lives.

  122. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    Yes, Barry, but the human will is involved. God can will in me but not without my will and agreement, but as soon as I set my sail . . .

    God cannot repent for me and believe for me; it may be a gift to me but I still have to use it. It is God’s Sovereign will that human will is free.

    The Gift of Hunger is given through His withdrawal that we might seek Him. We are lured into the wilderness to seek Him; He withdraws that He might know what it is in our hearts and that we might know that parched soul and spirit without Him.

    If God does indeed speak, and I think He has through Marie, then He can speak to both soul and flesh, but ultimately and firstly it is always deep unto deep.

  123. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    All this diagnosing of America’s cold spiritual climate does nothing.
    We don’t need more prophets stirring up religious flesh in America!
    We need heaven sent prophets who can prophesy hunger in America’s valley of dry bones!
    We need God to come down and stir men’s hearts with a heaven sent fire!
    We need heaven sent, heaven produced, heaven powered hunger to sweep across America.

    You New Zealanders can keep your flesh motivated religion in New Zealand!
    We don’t want it here in the West

    Who dares to BELIEVE GOD for a spiritual awakening in the west?
    For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, And for Jerusalem’s sake I will not keep quiet, Until her righteousness goes forth like brightness, And her salvation like a torch that is burning. It will no longer be said to you, “Forsaken,” Nor to your land will it any longer be said, “Desolate”; But you will be called, “My delight is in her,” And your land, “Married”; For the Lord delights in you, And to Him your land will be married. On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have appointed watchmen; All day and all night they will never keep silent. You who remind the Lord, take no rest for yourselves; And give Him no rest until He establishes And makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth. (Isaiah 62:1, 4, 6, 7 NASB)
    I am praying this over the west

  124. Gordon Neil Nov 23rd 2013

    Now this is school. Andrew is God’s man as His host Powered by WordPress in Action. So, we press on listening to our Teacher and Lord, Jesus Christ by God, the Holy Spirit here on earth today in us ..the Real McCoy Church. We are the Ambassadors of God’s mercy and grace.

    A Look in Truth: By His Prophets We all know, all the virgins know the Midnight cry!

    Matthew 25:6-12 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

    11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’
    NKJV

    What does ‘go to those that sell and buy your own oil.’ There is a lot of selling go on so many think they have worked, have bought by the Law of Tithe and Offerings that they are ‘Good to go’ and can rest on their laurels at times. Surely, they are covered as Joe Good Guys and Dolls. How about all the gifts, all the healings, all the fruits cakes? Pray without ceasing ….Why? Getting a little sleepy for all the works and giving we’ve done?

    Warriors do not bend down their face to the water to drink. They cup their hand and reach down into the water bring the water to their lips …….drink while WATCHING …..

    There is a lot of Joe Good Guys and Low Life Cons selling oil or false oil. Many sell oil that have filler: Like an old car would run quieter with a little saw dust in the oil …and the buyer got hooked by the crook. Jesus Paid It All ……..now following Jesus how do we pay? By dying to self, the self of the magic magnifying mind …the doubled minded or out right lying con ..the cold dude. We die daily for we by Covenant with God have given our lives, our will, our all-in-all over to the care of God would rather men be cold than lukewarm.

    Leaning, leaning, leaning on Promises of God My Savior, Leaning, Leaning, leaning on the Promises of God.

  125. Inspired Nov 23rd 2013

    Agree Barry,
    There is only one life and it is His in us giving us His faith, His righteousness. Yeshua says I can do nothing of myself, and does not speak of Himself but what the Father shows Him.

  126. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    The drier it is in America the faster Gods fire will spread in her.
    Oh, that You would rend the heavens and come down, That the mountains might quake at Your presence- As fire kindles the brushwood, as fire causes water to boil- To make Your name known to Your adversaries, That the nations may tremble at Your presence! When You did awesome things which we did not expect, You came down, the mountains quaked at Your presence. (Isaiah 64:1-3 NASB)

  127. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    But it’s not going to just happen – POW! Not overnight, but Jesus grew in grace and favour with men. Him who was the God-Man GREW! By going down with his parents, by submission, by every decision to deny self – so must we if we are to come to a place where our word is His Word and where on occasions we cannot notice the difference and where the prophet ends and God starts.

    The Lord still said, “YOU prophesy! Son of Man!”

    YOU!

  128. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    Yes, Inspired, it must come out of the LIfe, but how do we know we have the Life? It has to be an actuality, not a doctrinal nod and a wink. We know when we oney His commands; we know when our word speaks life. When dead bones live. LIVE!

  129. Inspired Nov 23rd 2013

    Amen Gordon,
    Ambassadors of Gods grace and mercy, not our feelings.

  130. Inspired Nov 23rd 2013

    Darren,
    There is not but ONE life in us and that Is His. The problem is thinking we have our life and God has His, and thus we are alienated in our minds.
    We should be espoused to the life, the One life which is oneness of the One. He made all things good, even the adversary to display His righteousness and ability to resurrect and revive. The duality of man is that this is good and the other is bad and yet the bad is even good to us to cause a hope for a BETTER and more perfect life, which is unity.
    He alone establishes His godliness within, which is the reality.

  131. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    Inspired- that is a truly inspired word!

    Darren Saergent- REALLY?
    So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. (Romans 9:16 NASB)
    for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. (Philippians 2:13 NASB)

  132. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    Darren- yes Pow! Once your dead POW ! Now your born again!
    Once you had not received mercy POW! now you have received mercy!
    Once you were enemies with God POW! now you are His friends!
    Once you lacked motivation to hunger after God POW! Now you can’t get enough if Him!

    ONLY WHOSE POW! Is it?

    It’s God’s POW!
    But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “L et him who boasts, boast in the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:30, 31 NASB)
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16 NASB)

    but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:24 NASB)

    We are nothing but P. O.W’s until we recover God’s POW!
    “you can do no thing without Me” doesn’t mean “You can do quite a few things without Me”
    If Jesus didn’t mean what He said- HE WOULD HAVE SAID WHAT HE MEANT!

  133. Inspired Nov 23rd 2013

    Sounds like a POW –WOW! to me!!

  134. Barry Schmidt Nov 23rd 2013

    A little yeast works through the whole lump of dough my friends!

    The greatest enemy to revival and spiritual awakenings is not a lack of hunger, nor sin, nor spiritual dryness, nor Luke warm ness–RATHER IT IS SELF MOTIVATED RELIGION!!!

    This was THE ONLY THING THAT DISQUALIFIED ISRAEL FROM THE GOSPEL’s POWER!!
    For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. (Romans 10:2, 3 NASB)
    Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as it is written, “B ehold, I lay in Z ion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, A nd he who believes in H im will not be disappointed.” (Romans 9:32, 33 NASB)

  135. Some excellent postings around this topic, the threads of which can lead in any direction to discuss.

    This world is under the domain of Satan. It is his time to reign and hopefully for not much longer. So what we see in the geographical worlds we live in, are signs of Satan’s grip on humanity. All the signs are outlined in the Bible -God knew all this, in regard to the way the world would be in any given century or date. But he also said that the harvest was plentiful and the labourers were few. So there are ‘hungry for God’ people out there waiting for the ‘picking’.

    While we can work alone, the Biblical model is to work together.
    That is difficult when people won’t. The visible church is doing its own “God” thing -we realise that by now through all these posting discussions. So we have to leave them to their own thing. Those of us who finally realise this, should be regenerating ourselves like in the early church, because we can’t regenerate as the EC did, if we do not operate as they did.

    Until the Body of Christ agree to do this, the world will only see man’s religion out there as the draw card. And as David Wilkerson stated in his excellent u tube clip “It is powerless.
    The world is more in the church than the church in the world”.

    God does reward those who earnestly seek after Him. We need enough people to seek after Him to effect the world. The need is all around us -endless problems. So many people live in misery even in our own backyards. If we have to do it one by one on our own, we will. We will disciple them ourselves until the Body agrees to move together, house to house.

    What did God say “I looked for a man to stand in the gap and there was none”. Let us first stand in the ‘prayer’ gap for awhile for a village, town, people group, nation.

    Keep up the great discussions. Bless you all.

  136. “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; Lovingkindness and truth go before You.” (Psalm 89:14 NASB)

    “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” (Isaiah 40:22 NIV)

    “Yet You are holy, O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel. (Psalm 22:3 NASB)”

    Thank You Father that Righteousness and Justice are the foundation of Your Throne and that Lovingkindness and Truth – what epitomized Jesus – Your Son – goes before You…

    Thank You Father that You sit enthroned above the circle of this earth and that the Righteousness and Justice which is committed on this earth by people who have Your Holy Spirit residing within them gives physical stability to this earth…

    We read in Your word about the earth shaking and being in childbirth until the revelation of the sons and daughters of God…

    The full revelation of what You have always wanted us to be in Christ…

    The greater things that Jesus promised that we would do in His Name – the Authority has been given to us to do them in Your will and timing…

    And Thank You Father that You are enthroned upon the Praises of Israel – Thank You that our worship creates an environment which is conducive for You to inhabit this earth and have Your Throne stable upon the circle of this earth – our praises to You that You are our Righteousness and that Justice is what we seek – Justice for the inhabitants of the earth who know You and the removal of wickedness from this earth in all forms…

    Complete Your will Father – remove those from this earth who are not willing to commit themselves completely to You – remove them Lord and establish Your Righteousness in this earth…

    Act in Justice Lord – and remove those from this earth who are stumblingblocks – who willingly and knowingly serve the enemy…

    “No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their vindication is from Me,” declares the LORD. (Isaiah 54:17 NASB)

    Remove from all positions of authority those who are not willing to act in Your best interests – whether they know You or not – to establish Peace – as Paul instructed us to pray – that all men could be saved through the spread of the Gospel in Peace upon the earth…

    If the Prince of Peace is enthroned above the circle of the earth and wanting all men to be saved – Father – bring a restraining and removal of evil in high places so Your Gospel can spread before the falling away of the end…

    Thank You Lord…

    Let Your Lovingkindness and Your Truth go forth through us – who know You – who know Your Forgiveness and Your Freedom – on this earth…

    And let there be Light – You said that we are the light of the world – You were Jesus while You were here – but now we are – let us shine for Your Glory – but if we are not willing to shine – take us home – this is Your Justice – and let others shine who will shine for Your Glory…

    In Jesus Name I pray,

    Glorify Your Name Father, Lord Jesus – Holy Spirit let Your Name be reverenced – in all the earth…

    Worship You Lord…

    Amen

  137. Averyl Nov 23rd 2013

    Amen! Great posts.

    Has anyone heard of Joel Holm? Picked up his booklet in an op shop about the 1st century church & how it should be functioning today.

  138. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    What is it, in what I have said, that has got under your skin?

    I think it is the express implication that we are not where we would be. Our word is not Event and it is not Life. We do not see Dead Bones live – the Jew is not at all impressed with what we have had to offer and the life we have lived before them. North America waits for its overdue revival – but it will not come.

    Do you resent the implication in Marie’s word? Do you at bottom think more highly of yourself than you ought? More spiritual than you ought? Have we commandeered God’s life to mimic it without living in it (I do not say that you do; I am simply asking the questions.) If we resent the implication, then there is something still left alive that needs to die. We may convince ourselves that we live out of The Life and may do from time to time but, if it is self-conscious, it is patently not The Life. Self-satisfaction is a curse, even more so when it hides behind a guise of spirituality.

    Who of us can prophesy to Dead Bones and see them live? We are not there – that is clear. To claim otherwise is hubris. Have we already been made perfect? I do not think so. Are there parts of my character that God has to deal with? Then why did Paul go from being the greatest of the Apostles to the least of the Apostles to a sinner to the Chief of Sinners . . . with age and maturity? We must be careful of talking as if it’s a done deal. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Purify yourself even as your are pure.

    The Word must become flesh in our life before we can assert we are in fact actually in the flesh living that very same Life. Reality is in Christ alone, but the question remains: are we in fact in Christ? Is it seen? Is it a reality? His Word will not return to Him void. As I have said before, the issue is not God’s – the issue is ours. We must guard against convincing ourselves that we are in the Life when in fact we aren’t. The question needs to be asked and answered. We cannot see our heart – God does.

    We cannot just bolty on the Life as if it is an addendum. While we are seated in Christ we must live and obey and seek. The Reality must be seen not just acknowledged and claimed. We must get away from this easy-decisional christianity. If the Life is to be lived it must be obeyed; the Apostle of Love is clear on that.

  139. Andrew Nov 23rd 2013

    Barry Schmidt and Inspired – seems like you 2 have had a field day on here while I have been away.

    I assure you, HUNGER and being “POOR IN SPIRIT” make an absolutely huge difference to the ability of any people to receive the gospel.

    I accept the words of Jesus on this topic. It seems clear to me that you do not.

    I literally went around the world – many nations – with my eyes open on this question of HUNGER. I found many poor and oppressed places that had great spiritual hunger. I found almost none in the West due to comfort, materialism, etc.

    Guess where the hearts were open and hungry for the gospel?

    That’s right – in the HUNGRY places.

    God looks for this also.

    Blessings to all,

    Andrew Strom

  140. Claudia Nov 23rd 2013

    Maryilyn….you look to other men to interpret and define what the Bible says (example…your reference to a link that explains it). I would be careful of your labels and your judgements as to what has influenced my and others opinions (such as Dominionism). I do not study or watch man’s religions or preachings of any kind. I study the Bible. The Bible clearly teaches that a host comes back during the Wrath with Yeshua, King of Kings…during the Wrath. This army slays the evil ones that have chosen satan’s will. They do not come back to save these evil ones…or to love them. They come back to destroy them…..all except satan, who is bound for one more task that YHWH has in store for him. I also do not think that man saves the world….even the men of religion. Our returning King of Kings and HIS Host that returns with HIM save the world.

    When we are transformed in a twinkling we are like HIM…..we are like the host that comes back with HIM. That host is not the 144,000 that HE markes for safety…that is a separate issue. I do believe that some will be able to come back in that Army with Him after we are transformed…because HE does not descend instantly at the sounding of the last trumpet….which is when we are transformed.

    Darren Sargent; Yeshua, when HE said “You being evil, still know how to give good gifts to your children”, was refering to the state of the diciples fallen hearts…hearts that knew YHWH before their fall, and chose satan’s words over YHWH’s…possibly even before the Fall in the Garden. They were not ACTING OUT their heart thoughts or inclinations. The evil I am talking about is overt, physical, unrepentent, henious. Also, the Bible clearly states we are to hate evil in all it’s forms…even that within our hearts. That is why we can be humble, because we are worthy of death according to our hearts alone (if it were not for Yeshua’s covering). That is why the glory of “self esteem” now being taught by our schools and societies is against the teachings of YHWH.

    Knowing Yeshua and choosing to follow satan, without restraint is evil. YHWH made it very clear that we are to deliver up to HIM certain murderers and offenders, and Yeshua stated very clearly that HE did not come to change one dot of the law. He also made it very clear that there are certain people we are not to welcome into our homes. Yeshua was not about the all pervasive, no matter what touchy feely emotional human love that some preach. Love, true love is doing what is best for everyone…not just for the individual. To let someone, for example, who rapes a 4 year old walk amongst other humans because he lied and said he was saved and repented is not YHWH’s way. YHWH made it clear that we are to send that sinner to HIM. We can present the salvation message to such a person and hope that if he accepts it, he truly repented …but than we are to send him to YHWH’s Court. Taking that person out of the flock so others are not harmed. YHWH cares about all HIS children. That is true love. When I have to put down one of my dogs (who I love dearly) because it cannot be broken of killing the chickens, it tears my heart out, because I love that dog….but he cannot be allowed to harm others that I protect.

    Yeshua covers what we do in our heart, and I am sure you turned from that holocoust thought…generated by emotional hate, knowing that it was not your call, but should be YHWH’s. YHWH will never call us to commit holocoust while we are still in these physical bodies. YHWH says we should lay down our lives! But the false one coming will call his followers to commit holocoust. Remember that! All religious leaders in the past, in the now, or in the future, who went forth to kill and slay their enemies were, are, and will be, being led by satan.

  141. Claudia Nov 23rd 2013

    Gorden Neil….right on regarding your view on “hunger”.

    Hunger….is to be never filled, still hungry, incomplete, needing, wanting YHWH’s wholeness! Never getting enough of HIM. Seeking HIM always and in all places….always looking to see what HE is doing, saying, teaching…..in all HIS creation.

    It is knowing we were lost, knowing HE found us, but also knowing that we are not yet HOME…..and as we stand on HIS HOPE…..missing HOME with all our mind, heart and soul.

  142. watchful Nov 23rd 2013

    Poor Marie, oh my………I’m sure she did not intend to write a “teaching”, Barrie, all she did was to make an impassioned comment pointing out how the church has embraced the god of this world and grieved the Holy Spirit………..and who in their right mind can deny that this is the case?…that the church has given away her birthright for a bowl of goulash with no meat/life in it.

    Of course we can talk about what answer God would give in face of this tragedy and a lot of good things have been said generally…….however does anyone believe we also need to discern the times we are living in?……don’t we need to know what His word/instructions are to His people for this specific time?………because, just for starters so we don’t find ourselves praying against His will, and also that we become prepared. We are not to be in darkness that that day should overtake us like a thief.

  143. Carl Emerson Nov 23rd 2013

    Darren,

    You replied to me – thank you.

    I would have no hesitation to ‘speak to the bones’ if His spirit willed it and enabled me.

    I am sure there are many of us that would.

    Like the disciples – ordinary folk who encountered and extraordinary God, we are more than equipped.

    I am very wary of the expectation of a company of ‘spiritual superstars’ raised up to carry this out.

    Even the two witnesses could be the cleaner, and the poor and disabled chap who quietly made his way to the front for prayer, but who was ignored by the celebrity speaker who was whisked away in a limo.

    Jesus rightly said many who are last will be first and the first last.

    Did He not tell us to seek out the person of least honour to judge a matter?

    …the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great.
    Luke 9:49

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

  144. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    God forbid that we should pray against His will, but it is possible. We must guard our hearts, we must love the truth and seek His will for others, we must contend for the gospel in our own hearts as well as others, but let His yoke be easy.

    Thank you for your comments watchful and Gordon; thanks for your considered response Claudia. I need to go to sleep and think about your comments.

    Love to All

  145. Darren Sargent Nov 23rd 2013

    Carl, I honestly didn’t mean superstars. What i described would most probably be hidden from view, not an elite, not our idea of perfection but His. Just as you described: those things that are not.

    You are the first to say on this forum you would speak to the Bones. That’s all I wanted. God bless you.
    must sleep zzzzz

  146. Draw to the surface Lord the poison of witchcraft in this world…

    In the Church – draw it to the surface and let it be exposed and removed…

    In the world – in the corridors of power – let it be exposed and removed – and let “righteousness exalt a nation” in the nations of the world…

    Remove the bile of wickedness Lord – remove it in Jesus Name…

    You have been waiting for this time Lord – You have been waiting…

    Remove the spirit of witchcraft from this world…

    Let all control go to You…

    All control…

    We welcome Your Presence here Lord…

    Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty…

    And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (Acts 2:17 KJV)

    Finish what You started Lord, finish what You started on the day of Pentecost and let the Glory go to You Alone…

    Fill us with Your Holy Spirit and with Fire…

    Fill us all – all who are willing to submit to You – with Your Holy Spirit and with Fire…

    And let us prophesy for You…

    Let us see visions…

    Let us dream dreams…

    And let us see come to pass every scripture in Your word which has yet to be fulfilled in this earth – let us see them all fulfilled – in Jesus Mighty Name – raise us up Lord to be an army all over the earth to enforce Your Right to Reign – You are the Soon and Coming King and let our presence – the Presence of the Holy Spirit through us – enforce in the minds of all that You are Coming Soon – and that You are coming to Reign…

    And let them – all who see us – kneel before You Lord and declare that You are truly Lord – that You are truly King and that You Alone have the right to Rule and Reign…

    For You will come Lord and You will be worshipped in this world – and You will take the Dominion given to You by Your Father and You will Rule – with a Rod of Iron You will rule – and You will reign forever and ever…

    All Dominion and all Authority belong to You Jesus and You Alone are Worthy to Rule and Reign – You Alone…

    King Jesus – we worship You…

    We bow before You – we worship You…

    Exalt Your Great and Glorious Name in all the earth…

    Love You Lord…

    Your Gentleness is above all – Your Meekness – and yet Your Authority – Jesus – You are Worthy and You are my King…

    Worship You Lord…

    Draw us into oneness – all over the world – as You prayed – draw us into oneness – perfect us as one…

    And let the world see and believe in this chosen generation…

    Love You Lord…

  147. Karmen Nava Nov 23rd 2013

    I agree that materialism is driving people away from seeking God. We do part time missionary work–we don´t ask for assistance. Anything we do is just from our social secuirty income. When we walk down any street, most people greet us and each other. When you are in a restaurant and someone walks by, they wish you Bon Appetit in Spanish. When someone dies in our neighborhood here in Mexico, the entire neighborhood comes and spends two or three days in the grieving person´s property. Some bring their lunch, but they don´t leave the grieving family alone. If necessary, they all collect money to pay for the funeral. These are just some of the ways that poorer people around the world take care of their own. The neighborhood abarrotes store (similar to an old fashion mom and pop store) give their neighbors credit until their pay day without interest.

  148. Marilyn Crow Nov 24th 2013

    Claudia,

    Yes I do appreciate other giftings in the Body of Christ that God has raised up. I gave the link for others to be able to do research also. `Berit Kjos of Crossroads,` is another good discernment ministry.

    We need to hunger for, appreciate & receive of what God is saying through His body, so that –

    `we are no longer to be children tossed here & there by waves, & carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men…..but…to grow up …into Him..` (Eph. 4: 14 & 15)

    You said that you study the bible, & that is good. However God has given the Body of Christ giftings so that `each joint supplies,` & we need to read & study what God is saying through others in the Body – interdependent not independent.

    You may not have read dominionists false teaching but you have made the same mistake as them – thinking we, the Body of Christ are the army fighting others on Christ`s return.

    Christ is the Lord of Hosts & they are the myriads & myriads of angelic hosts that are Christ`s army. In Rev. 19: 14 the armies are the holy ones which Christ tells us are His angels.

    `For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels….` (Matt. 16: 27)

    Marilyn C

  149. then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. (Exodus 32:26 NASB)

    Father, in Jesus Name, I really believe it time for the same proclamation to go forth in Your Church and in our nations – that we can no longer tolerate the works of darkness – the spirit of witchcraft – in our Churches or in our leaderships of our nations…

    We can no longer tolerate this spirit Lord…

    I speak in Jesus Name and I pray judgement now over this spirit – the spirit of witchcraft – Jezebel – in this world…

    I pray that the sword of each and every Saint of God will be strapped to their thigh and removed from its sheath to speak death to the activities of this spirit in their brothers and sisters, in those who do not know You and also in the leaders of the nations which we are a part of…

    You came Jesus to destroy the works of the devil and You specifically said in Revelation that there was a time coming when You would kill her children with death…

    I speak the fulfilment of Your word Lord Jesus right now – that all the Churches – all around the world – would know that You are Lord and would fear You – revere You as You are meant to be revered…

    Knowing the terror of the Lord we persuade men…

    Let the terror of the Lord fall on all who worship the spirit of witchcraft and let them see the Sword of the Lord in Your Hand – as it was upon the people of Egypt when You took their firstborn sons and judged the gods of Egypt – let the spirit of witchcraft be judged in Jesus Name…

    And let all see that they need to distance themselves from this spirit or they will be destroyed with it as You judge it…

    Go to the heart Lord – let no one not know what You are saying to them about this spirit of witchcraft and it’s inroads/control in their lives – speak to each heart Lord and give them the ability to choose You…

    The day is late and the time is nearly nigh for You to return but there is time to turn – time to turn in repentance from the works of darkness – control, self effort, rebellion against the Lord – and humbly receive His Free Gift of Salvation…

    Let the Church see – let the blindness of witchcraft be removed – let the blind eyes see…

    I lay my life down for this Lord – that the blind eyes could see – that they could see what You’ve shown me – the Sword is drawn and the Judgement has already begun…

    Judge Lord and execute vengeance upon all the gods of the earth…

    The LORD will be terrifying to them, for He will starve all the gods of the earth; and all the coastlands of the nations will bow down to Him, everyone from his own place. (Zephaniah 2:11 NASB)

    And let Your People be released to worship You – with songs of praises to Your Name…

    From the ends of the earth we hear songs, “Glory to the Righteous One,” (Isaiah 24:16a NASB)

    Let there be Peace on earth – just like there was over Egypt – as You execute judgement on this spirit Lord – hold this world in Peace – but Judge – Judge this spirit and remove it from our midst in Jesus Name…

    It can blind our eyes in this chosen generation no longer – yes, it will be released at the time of the end – yes, we know that – but not now…

    Thank You Jesus, Worship You Lord…

  150. Carl Emerson Nov 24th 2013

    Darren,

    I have long thought that there is need for a prophetic company to do just this… (speak to the bones)

    For me, most of my brothers and sisters seem to be serving on another planet.

    My hunch is that He will sovereignly bring this together at some future time.

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

  151. Andrew Nov 24th 2013

    “Dry” bones are not the problem in the West.

    Complacent, comfortable, materialistic bones are.

    A big difference

    Blessings to all,

    Andrew Strom

  152. Jda016 Nov 24th 2013

    Right. The problem in the west is that we have an abundance of living water available to us, but everyone doesn’t want to drink because they love their sin.

    Granted, the West is extremely “dry” in the sense that we lack the spirit of God operating as openingly in other countries. But again, this is because many in the west have bowed the knee to Baal and there is only a small
    remnant that has not.

  153. Watchful,

    I know exactly what you saying. Thankfully we know that our God is in control and all is working according to His plans. No matter what the new agers and occultists say.

    GaryB

  154. watchful Nov 24th 2013

    GaryB…….you don’t know much your words have comforted me…..when certain things are allowed to just stand and not be corrected or challenged, it just makes me feel so unsettled, I have seen comments disallowed for much less…..but it is a comfort to know that there are Godly men out there who see, and even more to be reminded that God sees. Bless you.

  155. ValleyAnt Nov 24th 2013

    I have posted several times and my posts haven’t made it. Anyone else having this problem?

  156. watchful Nov 24th 2013

    ..just problems loading the website sometimes at my end, ValleyAnt…

  157. 100% Zululander Nov 24th 2013

    Barry i’ve been away a bit but the end of your discussion is that it’s Gods fault I don’t get hungry or saved or anything else He commands & don’t feel the need to serve Him in any way as if I do “crank up the feeling” to serve Him it may be “just me” & not Him, so I do it if I feel like it. Read the word, pray etc etc only if I feel like it because I mustn’t crank it up myself.
    So the beattitudes are not attitudes to be sought/desired after but just information on who is & who isn’t blessed????!!!

  158. Gordon Neil Nov 24th 2013

    VA, Now you can post!

  159. Yes, as a whole, there is a definite lack of Hunger for Righteousness in the American Church. Much of the American church has apostatized, although, they wouldn’t agree. Jesus said a hunger and thirst for Righteousness will not go unmet, so maybe the key is not a lack of hungering – because the American church certainly hungers after many things – but a lack of hungering “after Righteousness”. Believers need to study what Jesus meant when He said, “hunger after Righteousness”. What does that really mean? I believe the meaning is wrapped up fully in the message of the Cross of Christ, not only for our salvation but for living a sanctified life. However, many who name the name of Jesus are following after ‘another gospel – another Jesus’. What we see and hear now in most churches/ministries is a Cross-less gospel. The true gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified is not preached in the majority of churches today. “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke 9. So I guess what I’m saying is this: How can there be a hunger and thirst for Righteousness when the true gospel is not presented?

  160. Gordon Neil Nov 24th 2013

    Problem in the West. What is the problem? The problem is ‘sin no more’ command by the Lord. “Get the Board out of your own eye FIRST!” is a command to all babies. Many of us are choking on the meat never had ‘The Milk’ …First Things First in the School, in the Halls of Heaven, Jesus Christ the Teacher! Satan influences in the Church is to kill us and destroy us from the inside out. And the principles of the Word, the Truth will set us free, IF we work honestly as God commands by our Blood Seal …Blessed Assurance. Babies grow up by the Word applied not as a Christian Church pulls you into the Net as victims; sick and diseased. Many fall for it …as the World Turns.

    How do Christians get in the Fishing Net of Christ. They start off go to go and then, and then …back to our wants and our world troubles as before; husband, kids, work, church …Down at Barr Street many find their comfort. Where is the Comfort of the Christians. Many saying, “have I lost my salvation? What is wrong with me? I’ve tried and I’ve tired to be a good mother, a good husband, a good kid But people are always stepping on my parade.” Dusting off our feet and moving on has a great deal to do with our treasures, our trophies we hang on to that is killing us.

    Example: Nikita Kruchev said, “Russia does not have to destroy America with missles; America will destroy from within.” That includes the Christians no better than the Jews in their stiff-necks that murder the love of God, the Truth … that starts in the Christian homes all over America.

  161. Gordon Neil Nov 24th 2013

    VA …I’ve had the same as Watchful ……re: loading ………there is heavy burdens in the air, on line …….sometimes more than others. What I do is Journal or write a brief message on Microsoft Word Document, saved it, then copy it on to Revival School. I do believe in back-up. I even have my clothes handy when I sleep and at times I sleep in my clothes. Sounds Different to most BUT I am much different one day at a time. Back-up support is a part of marriage I really, really like …working, loving others as a team as we can. We pass on God’s grace and mercy to others that keeps us going. Yesterday was a double hitter; all crying stopped as we loved one another. We are really in rest now being relieved from as the World Turns …people in our lives that have been close ………..letting them go because they cannot, will not receive the fruits of Gods faith, God’s Way to Freedom. They chose to carrying their burdens. We are getting Lighter Brighter, One Day At A Time. Praise God ……at it is not Easy BUT we practice easy does it our focus on Christ by The Comforter. Living a time in the Fog has it’s purpose …….it is/can be a healing process, it can be life saving offering us Serenity .

  162. ValleyAnt Nov 24th 2013

    Gordon and Watchful, it seems that I can post anything but what I wrote yesterday. Since there are, as Gordon acknowledged, “heavy burdens in the air, online”, this might well make sense there. Let’s see if it posts this.

  163. ValleyAnt Nov 24th 2013

    SPOILER ALERT (lol): the below is a paste of the article above, so no one needs to read it. I am just testing to see if it is ‘length’ or ‘content’ that keeps my comment from yesterday from posting–

    I´m sure there are compassionate apostles out there, but I´m afraid
    that it´s the people they try to reach that are the problem. Our
    western society is filled with so much pleasure-seeking and
    entertainment, it´s hard to find the hungry people. We don´t live at
    all like they did in the early church. Sin abounded then as much
    as today, but people had shorter lives, walking everywhere to reach
    places, no electricity, and everyone had to depend on each other
    to survive. Families all had to live together and pitch in if they
    wanted to survive.

    We live in a selfish world. In India, families take care of elderly
    parents and in the West, many are discarded and sent to homes,
    or have retired wealthy and travel and live abundantly, spending all
    their time on cruises, while the adult children struggle. We are
    living in one of the most selfish times the world has ever seen.
    When we read about certain dog-owners pampering their pets and
    feeding them better than the average human, are we ready to hear
    the gospel?… Everyone must keep up with their neighbors. People
    are obsessed with things that are so temporal and don´t realize
    they keep souls away at arms´ length.

    If we are so consumed with self, how can we be apostles? The
    Western lifestyle is quenching the Spirit. It demands energy,
    obsessive communication with twittering and facebooking, financial
    independence, success, education, youthful appearance, well-
    maintained physiques, materialism, entertainment, travel and
    what´s left of the day, is time for bed. Few take care of others. The
    West hires people to take care of other people. The west is
    experiencing a nursing shortage. Few young people want to work
    in humanitarian jobs, but all want to work as anchors, or stock
    brokers. Everyone wants to be a celebrity. Most high-powered
    couples (and many in the church) are preoccupied with programs
    and raising money for their churches. When do these have time
    to talk to strangers? We won´t go where strangers are because
    we´ve lost the art of hospitality and prefer to walk across the street
    from the homeless man.

    Apostles in today´s churches follow the trends, but so do the
    saints, and so do unbelievers. Trends and activity keep everyone
    from seeking God. Our minds are being bombasted with information
    every moment, every second and we are being acclimatized to
    having music, noise, talk, on radio, i-phones, i-pads, and if we ever
    had a moment of quiet, I believe it might cause psychological
    stress. People are being fed noise in their ears every waking
    moment. How can anyone contemplate the things of God?

    Towns in the Book of Acts were such that people congregated
    outside (tropical climate) in the market and near temples to pray.
    Today, millions pass each other in the streets and we don´t speak
    to each other, but rather get cursed at if we don´t drive fast enough.
    No one seems to have pity, compassion, self-control; women are
    now independent feminists working outside the home, becoming
    ferocious competitors and exhausted and have little compassion
    outside the confines of their home.

    The West is sucking the physical, emotional and spiritual energy
    right out of everyone, where that leaves little for individuals to seek
    God and pray and meditate on the Word. We are stressed on all
    sides. Many people are coping with medications to relieve stress.
    Everyone is told they need to exercise, keep a balanced life, work,
    raise families, travel, occupy with activities, competitions, etc.
    How can an apostle of the Lord squeeze into these people´s lives
    for them to listen to what he has to say?

    If they won´t listen, maybe it´s time for western apostles to shake
    the dust off their feet and go into a place that would welcome the
    gospel message. But, it might not be a comfortable lifestyle and
    might require a lot of sacrifice. No one should call themself
    `apostle´ until they leave the ways of Babylon.

  164. The LORD reigns, let the earth rejoice; Let the many islands be glad. Clouds and thick darkness surround Him; Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him And burns up His adversaries round about. (Psalm 97:1-3 NASB)

    Father, in Jesus Name, I pray that Your Fire would fall on the spirit of witchcraft – I give You permission to burn it up – to burn up its presence in this world…

    To burn up its presence in Your Church and to burn up its presence in the corridors of power of our nations…

    Let righteousness exalt our nations Lord…

    Let the spirit of witchcraft be removed…

    And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, (Zephaniah 1:18a NASB)

    Father, I know that this scripture has a full and final fulfilment in a day yet coming but in the spirit I pray that the whole earth would be devoured in the fire of Your Jealousy right now – that the spirit of witchcraft which has held sway over much of this earth for so long would be removed – judge it Lord and remove it – finally – from us in this generation – this generation which has been chosen to know Your Name…

    I pray that You would draw out of every believer and every unbeliever the poison of witchcraft – every effect which it has had on them from their generations right up until the present time – let it rise to the surface in their lives and let it – and the blindness it brings – be removed from their lives…

    Purge thoroughly Your Church from this spirit Lord…

    Purge thoroughly Your Church from its influence and it’s ruling presence – which it has had for so long in so many cases…

    Let the Presence of God come – the Peaceful Presence of God (with Authority) come – and as it does let it dispel the darkness and the death and the clawing grasp – the grasp of death – which this spirit – the chocking pincer like grasp of death – which this spirit has held over Your People…

    Set us free Lord…

    Set us free to worship You…

    Set us free to believe…

    Set us free to pray…

    Set us free to give our lives away to You…

    Giving our money away to You – and our livelihoods and our very reason for existing…

    Giving everything freely to You as You have ordained that we do in this chosen generation…

    Let us – who belong to You – exist for Your Glory – let the dome of Your Holy Spirit replace the dome of the spirit of witchcraft over our nations – and let us be saved…

    Come Lord Jesus and take Your Place…

  165. Andrew Nov 24th 2013

    On Posting-
    The main thing that the system automatically disallows is posts with more than 3 links inside them.

    So perhaps that was the problem?

    -Andrew

  166. Claudia Nov 24th 2013

    Seriously Maryilyn C…..you look towards man to define your religion and what to believe and what not to believe. Yeshua showed me what I am to be. I will trust HIM over any word of man.

    It is all speculation the various interpretations of the host…the bride….the angels….etc. Interpreted and passed down through the ages by those who slaughtered millions in the name of Christ. The Mystery is far beyond the understanding of the limited minds of humans…..until they have been transformed.

  167. ValleyAnt Nov 24th 2013

    Andrew Strom, the comment only had one link in it. I just deleted the link in case that was the problem and tried again to post, and the comment still refuses to post. I’ve posted on this site and JBTV since ’11, and this has never happened before. I’ll just throw out that post since it apparently shouldn’t be posted here.

  168. Gordon Neil Nov 24th 2013

    Have you already thrown out the post?

  169. Gordon Neil Nov 24th 2013

    If you haven’t thrown out the post but you can e-mail the post to a friend, an attachment, and it works, it must be a powerful post ..strong Truth, cutting edge …make a difference …in Truth. If it is by the Truth, the Spirit of Truth I would like to read it.

  170. Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the LORD and who esteem His name. (Malachi 3:16 NASB)

    We give ourselves to you Lord…

    We speak to You on this site Lord…

    We welcome Your Presence on this site Father, Jesus, Lord Holy Spirit and all the angels of God – we welcome You/you all here – we pray that you – angels of God – would minister salvation to those coming to know You Lord and also protect us who do know You Father from the powers of the enemy…

    We speak to You – Father, Jesus, Lord Holy Spirit – in the presence of our brothers and sisters and we petition You to hear the cries of our hearts…

    The cries of our hearts against the spirit of witchcraft…

    All the blindness – all the apathy – all the self effort – all the striving – all the disillusionment – all the condemnation – all the back-biting – has been a result of the activity of the spirit of witchcraft amongst us as Your children Lord in this world…

    Father, in the stillness of Your Presence – we petition You – remove this spirit from amongst us – it results only in death…

    All the control of this spirit Lord – every word which is motivated from this spirit Lord – let it be stilled amongst us Lord – let it be stilled – and let the Voice of Your Holy Spirit be heard – let us pray – let us pray together in unity – release unity amongst us Lord – and let us pray – let us worship You – as worship dispels the clouds of the enemy amongst us…

    Let us worship You Lord and let us hear Your Voice speaking to us in worship and giving us keys to “dismember” the activity of this spirit in our generation…

    We offer ourselves to You Lord – here we are…

    We can do nothing but wait before You for Your Spirit to come – as You did in the beginning – on the day of Pentecost…

    We wait before You – speak to us Lord – release the Prophetic Anointing and speak to us Lord – in the silence speak to us Lord in unity in Jesus Name…

    “Cease striving and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.” (Psalm 46:10 NASB)

    What do You have to say to us Lord?

    You see the state of our nations…

    What do You have to say to us Lord?

    “Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” (James 4:7 NIV)

    “For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. (John 3:34 NASB)

    We need to submit ourselves to God, to His word and once we’re in this place we will be given the Spirit without measure…

    The problem is a lack of submission to God and to His word…

    First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:1-4 NASB)

    For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:12 NASB)

    Father, we realise – as You’ve shown us – that our struggle isn’t against our brothers and sisters or even against any other human being (non-saved) who’s alive on the planet but it is against – in this instance – the spirit of witchcraft which has been dominating a number of our towns and cities and villages and habitations in our nations…

    The Blood of Jesus has paid for all the sin – I speak the Blood of Jesus over our towns and villages and cities and our nations Lord – You paid for all the sin and all died with You on the cross – as Your word says – and I claim Lord that Your Blood will stand against the spirit of witchcraft over these cities and towns and villages so that people could hear the truth of Your message – Your free gift of Grace – Salvation by Grace through Faith – offered freely to them – that they could see that they could give themselves to God – to You Lord – to submit themselves to You – for You to be their Lord and their God – and that they could be saved in this transaction – this exchange – with You…

    Open their eyes to see the Good News…

    Set them free Lord…

    Set them free…

    Go to them Lord – all around the world – go to them and give them help – the heirs of salvation – give them help to be set free – in Jesus Name…

    I speak release of the floodgates of heaven that Your Free Gift Jesus – Your Free Gift of Your Very Life – would be proclaimed in power and in unity by Your Church right throughout the world in this final generation – this final generation before You come again to reign…

    Let it sweep the earth – let the truth of Your Free Gift Gospel sweep the entire earth – and let us be saved…

    Let us be saved…

    Break the chains, the lies, which the spirit of witchcraft has lulled us into believing – the lies that temporal pleasures are better than the Eternal Life which You offer us – in partnership with You we have Eternal Life – we have Eternal Life as we “go” into all the world to make disciples of all the nations – “Lo, I will be with you always” when we “go” – when we are living surrendered to You then You are with us always, i.e. we experience the power and Comfort of Your Presence with us…

    Not when we forsake You and find comfort in other things – worldly things…

    Open our eyes to see that You are standing behind Your word – “Seek first His Kingdom and His Righteousness and all these things will be added to you as well”…

    Your Promise to us is “Yes and Amen” in Christ Jesus – we give ourselves to You Lord for the unleashing of Your Power from heaven on us to take us where You want us to go – in unity before Your Throne…

    Not in striving – but in unity…

    We surrender…

    I surrender…

    Take us Lord – and release the harvest…

    And He was saying to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. (Luke 10:2 NASB)

    Raise up labourers to be send out into Your harvest Lord – it is so huge…

    The harvest is so huge…

    Raise us up Lord – Your Church – to be sent out into Your harvest…

    Raise up those who will go – who will take You at Your word and go…

    And be with them Lord…

    And to those who will not go – even though You are calling them – to those who harden their hearts and will not go – who refuse to obey You to sacrifice everything and go even when they know that You are calling them Lord – please Lord – take them home…

    Remove them from this earth…

    How can two walk together unless they are in agreement?

    There is pain in my heart as I pray this – I sense Your Pain – but there is no other way – let there be unity in Your Church Lord no matter the cost in Jesus Name – You must have a demonstration of Your Bride in this final generation – You must…

    Let Your Church be seen to be what she has always been meant to be…

    Let her be seen before the eyes of the world to be what she has always been meant to be…

    Thank You Lord…

  171. ValleyAnt Nov 25th 2013

    Gordon Neil, half of the post was meant for one person; so I cut out the rest of it and emailed it directly to them. It was encouraging and uplifting to me, and it seems that there was wisdom in that it wasn’t posted here.

  172. Gordon Neil Nov 25th 2013

    ValleyAnt ..Thanks ….you have been a great blessing to us …my family!

  173. ValleyAnt Nov 25th 2013

    Gordon, I’m glad that that’s been the case. Many of the comments here have been a blessing to me. If you’d like to share, is there anything that you and your family need prayer for at this time?

  174. Andrew J.H. – I may not have understood you here, I hope that is the case – is this a prayer asking God to physically kill people..?

    And to those who will not go – even though You are calling them – to those who harden their hearts and will not go – who refuse to obey You to sacrifice everything and go even when they know that You are calling them Lord – please Lord – take them home…

    Remove them from this earth…

  175. “I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.” (Revelation 2:23 NIV)

    Thank You Father that You are Faithful – after we pray for forgiveness – after we intercede – after we allow time for repentance – to judge the spirit of witchcraft – rebellion – in Your People…

    We do not enjoy judgement Father – as You don’t but because You delight in Justice and Righteousness along with Lovingkindness – I Thank You that You do judge the spirit of witchcraft…

    And I Thank You Lord for what I saw in the spirit the other day as I prayed for Zechariah that Your Sword is in Your Hand and that You have begun to judge the spirit of witchcraft in this earth…

    Continue to judge Lord until it is removed…

    Love You Lord…

  176. Carl Emerson Nov 25th 2013

    I notice that this passage from Revelation 2 continues as follows…

    24 But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them—I place no other burden on you.

    This would seem to indicate that the ones under this severe judgement are in fact consciously and openly following Satanic teaching.

    Can I suggest this not a reference to folks unwittingly captive to Satanic deception.

    One must then ask if folks in the church scene who are for example mediating a controlling spirit fall into this first category?

    Lastly we need some Godly discernment to confirm if such judgement is being wrought in this hour…

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.

  177. Marilyn Crow Nov 25th 2013

    Sober words indeed, Carl.

  178. Andrew J Horton…It truly does sound like you are calling for death to all “Christians” who are not totally, 100% committed to serve God.
    What about those who are 90% committed, but are still working on getting closer to God
    What about those who are 80% committed?
    What about those who are 70% committed?
    What about those who are still in the lukewarm church, and are not being taught the truth but have a sense that there is more and are beginning to feel unrest in their soul?

    Where do you draw the line for those who should die and be removed from this earth?

  179. watchful Nov 25th 2013

    It’s disheartening that prayers calling for God to kill people are allowed on a Christian website…….the next logical step of course is to start doing the deed oneself thinking they are doing God’s will. Terrible error…… and it did not proceed from the HOLY Spirit………it brings to mind the Inquisition and Crusades. The one that is doing this has no understanding that God speaks to us in parables. Who did Jesus kill? Who the apostles? Did the early church kill anyone? No, these were all the ones who were killed by those who also thought they were doing God a favour.

  180. Concerning Andrew J Horton…
    Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, who show unto us the way of salvation.
    The above scripture reveals a technique for the purpose of diminishing the value of an action. This servant girl was constantly repeating this phrase to those around them. The constant repeating of a phrase will begin to discredit the phrase itself, because our mind will get tired of hearing it and it will become a negative and actually reverse its meaning.
    AJH has used this technique in his referring to the spirit of witchcraft over and over again. He has begun to diminish the value and thereby cause the spirit itself to be used without notice.
    In constantly referring to the spirit of witchcraft and attempting to diminish the meaning, he has used the spirit of witchcraft to manipulate those who will read his word. He culminated it in his statement that all who do not join in the great harvest should die and be removed from this earth.
    Don’t be fooled by someone who uses words that sound very spiritual. Consider the servant girl. Her statement sounded very positive and confirming of the ministry of Paul and the others. So why did Paul detect the spirit of divinity? Because she over did it with her sayings and began to be an annoyance.
    I choose to not hear his words anymore and will not even read a post offered by him.

  181. watchful Nov 25th 2013

    Act 8:9

    But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

    Act 8:10

    To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.

    Act 8:11

    And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

    Gal 3:1

    O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

  182. Thanks Watchful, another great example of manipulation.

  183. Gordon Neil Nov 25th 2013

    VallyAnt: Yes, by God’s grace and mercy on us, married team that 1 + 1 = more than 2, moving Forward daily together on towards the Goal of Liberty in Christ. I ask for a younger 3rd + party member to hold the line, to move forward in these Troubled Times. God is firm and yet so merciful in our Progress on the Road Less Traveled. The Distractions of the World are getting less for us. We have been faced with a Knowledge of Great Deception here.

    The Beautiful Side of Evil is all around and in family, in our Churches, in the Village of Shiloh, ILLinois just East of Gateway to the West in St. Louis. This awareness has been a rather slow process until now. Now together we see the Big Elephant in the room of our lives, our churches, our country, etc. The Truth of it all, the portion we have been allowed to see and hear in the spirit realm is so mind changing it is tough at times. Being separated from the System is a freedom not expected.

    Vision: The western side of the Texas Panhandle, the North and South line up and down to the borders of the United States ………..a Big Shaking, Vibrations from North to South all out to the West as far as I could see.

    Vision: I am sitting on Mounts of jewels, an angel support and back-up …more jewels if needed. The angel is facing me with a clip-board in his hands.

    Vision: Church Family Quarters, Romans 8 Church types living together: A two story building, quarters side by side on two sides face inward, porches/running-walking tract on the outer sides of building (the walking running tract on the upper level only)………a lower level hugh living room with kitchen and dining support with hugh glass picture windows two story looking out into a park, a hugh building of worship and study as one …not as Church-as-usual but as family, an at home family.

    I do not see TV’s, Phones, play things, etc.

    All worked as one and on a frontage road we had all sorts of business open to the world public we man. The frontage road and business were close, within sight of the family living/worship Area. I had a garage and vehicles.

    Vision: I have had a vision where I was the only one that came into the light from a particular group I was in …I ended up in front of a fire place, young, and I had a glass of wine in my hand. Everything was bright, beautiful in the room and peace and quiet. I was in comfort. No one else was in the room.

    Today, we know of no one in our families can be trusted with the perils God has given us. There are many perils and back-up more and more in reserve that represent ‘endless’.

    I tell you all this to ask this: I ask you to Pray with us that we will not be outwitted by Satan, ruler of the world, by in any person, place, thing, spirit or idea. I ask you to Pray with us and for us that we not outwit ourselves in any and all our affairs for we have a fight to carry on ’til Jesus Comes, ’til we are with Jesus our Lord.

    Yes, lay hands on me and my wife in the Name of Jesus that we may explode into an open offering of His Love people cannot deny by the works; if not in this country …where ever He leads we follow. And we are seeking a Real McCoy family in Christ I call it the Romans 8 Church. I am a Disciple, looking to make disciples …………and looking for those that are desperate, not having a withholding desire but a hunger desire asking God for a closer walk. Looking for THE FAMILY, A People that call out to God and Ask for His Word, the Spirits before His Throne and Looking a people that know who they are having Conscious Contact with God. A People that cry out, “Lord make me worthy. ” Thank you Father, Thank You Valley Ant again and again. Andrew …….Thank You!

  184. watchful Nov 25th 2013

    …amen DonaldN the Lord graciously opened my eyes to this just recently, that this is how it works in the whole false prophetic movement…..bewitching….a few giving out the impression (because they have a fleshly need to) that they are some great ones, and then the people make them their idol believing them to be the great power of God……(ironically this is the very jezebellic spiritual adultery that Rev. 2 is talking about………..and the offspring of that union which God wants to bring “death” to is false doctrine not real children/people). They say that if a lie is repeated often enough people will start to believe it, part of the bewitching process you are bringing up….brainwashing might be another word for it, come to think of it? In the end it is because hearts are not right, and need to get right….fleshly ambitions and needs on the one hand married to the desire for an idol of flesh on the other. We dont’ want to judge and condemn, but there is a need for correction and to protect sheep from wolves, until such time as the wolves have a change of heart. And we continue to pray and hope that they will.

    It just seems that certain things just shouldn’t be allowed to stand without a standard being raised against it, surely praying that God would kill people is one such thing, and that’s where I’m hoping we hear from the host and moderator too. Because that is surely not what the gospel of Jesus Christ is about.

  185. Gordon Neil…
    Please contact me. I would like to know more about your faith and ministry. thanks, Donald

  186. Carl Emerson Nov 25th 2013

    Regarding Andrew H’s prayer…

    There are issues that need to be kept seperate.

    Firstly does what he wrote align with the written word?

    Secondly, if the above answer is yes, then was his prayer timely and inspired by God?

    Are we to expect these judgements recorded in Revelation to occur in our day?

    We lament the state of some Modern churches that appear to present the very behaviors that He said He would judge…

    Are we still struggling to marry the El Shaddai of the OT with the Jesus of the new?

    This passage from Luke 9 comes to mind…

    51 When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
    52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
    53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
    54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
    55 But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
    56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”] And they went on to another village.

    Does this rebuke apply now or was it for the time of His earthly ministry?

    Please pray and consider these issues carefully, not reacting, but hearing His word.

    Bless you all,

    Carl Emerson.

  187. Andrew Nov 25th 2013

    I believe AJH is praying about those pushing ‘spiritual Witchcraft’.

    If you read too much into it you will start a war over nothing.

    “Devouring one another” is a big danger on forums.

    Please keep closer On-topic, my friends.

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom