SECOND WARNING – BILL JOHNSON and BETHEL CHURCH

by Andrew Strom

A couple of years ago we sent out a Warning itemizing a number of facts about Bill Johnson’s ministry and Bethel church in Redding. Numerous witnesses and videos from Bethel show that this church is spreading an “anointing” very similar to Todd Bentley – ie. spiritual ‘drunkenness’, jerking, hysterical laughter, “angel orbs”, ‘fire tunnels’, spirit travel, mystical “portals”, etc. Plus constant talk in their ministry school of bizarre angel encounters and trips to the ‘third heaven.’ All of it has an extremely ‘New Age’ feel. And it is still going on today. (But even worse – as we shall see).

Bill Johnson strongly defended Todd Bentley – even after his divorce
and remarriage. No wonder, for the ‘anointing’ that both men carry
seems almost identical (though their “style” is very different). These
facts are beyond dispute and have been confirmed by many witnesses.

But whenever I say such things about Bill Johnson, people rush
to defend him, saying what a ‘great guy’ he is, and what a great
ministry he has. And yes – he is a very charming man who does
say good things. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t be so dangerous. Deception
always wraps itself in the best “sheep’s wool” it can find. Otherwise
it would have no chance of deceiving the sheep! Why do you think
the Bible warns of “SEDUCING” spirits in the Last Days – and
‘LYING’ signs and wonders? If the deception was not so ‘seductive’
then nobody would fall for it. And this stuff is very seductive indeed.

THINGS Get WORSE

Several years ago the Bethel crowd put out a book which we only
found out about recently. It was co-authored by Bill Johnson’s
administrative assistant Judy Franklin with a foreword by Bethel
pastor Kris Vallotton. Bill Johnson wrote two of the chapters and
his wife Beni wrote another. In other words, it has Bethel’s stamp
all over it. (It is still sold on the Bethel website).

So what is this book about? Here is what the blurb says-
“Exploring the mysteries of God in sound, light, vibrations,
frequencies, energy, and quantum physics.” Does that sound
‘New Age’ to you? Yes – and it gets even worse. Please remember
that this book has Bill Johnson’s name on it – and Bethel’s strong
endorsement and participation.

When you open the book you find chapter headings like this-
“Vibrating in Harmony with God”, ‘Good Vibrations’, ‘Quantum
Mysticism’ and “The God Vibration”. And some of the sub-
headings are even more astounding: “Dolphins and Healing
Energy,” ‘The Power of Color’, “Human Body Frequencies,” etc.
You might ask, What kind of ‘Christian’ book is this? And the
answer is that it is Bethel and Bill Johnson’s kind of Christian
book. It literally has Bill’s name on it. This is a peek into the real
Bethel behind the scenes. When you look at this publication,
suddenly you understand why we see all these weird videos and
testimonies from Bethel of strange ‘New Age’ terminology and
bizarre spiritual practices. Now we know why. We have the
evidence in black and white.

We have shown the contents of this book to leaders and people
that have been fans and supporters of Bill Johnson. They have
verified the source of it. And just reading this content has turned
most of them from being a supporter of Bethel into an opponent
in a matter of a few hours. It really is that bad. So openly ‘New
Age’ you could hardly believe it.

With all this talk of “vibrations” in the book, perhaps we can now
better understand why Bill Johnson’s wife Beni wrote in her blog:
“I was talking with Ray Hughes the other day and was telling him
about using a 528 HZ tuning fork as a prophetic act. Someone told
me that this tuning fork is called the tuning fork of LOVE… the
sound of this fork brings healing.” (Please note that crystals and
tuning forks are used in NEW AGE therapy – not Christianity.
And by the way, Beni Johnson for years has been CO-PASTOR
of Bethel alongside her husband Bill).

This might also help explain why Beni Johnson recently released
a photo of herself “soaking” (lying down) on the grave of a dead
Christian leader – and why Bethel students also put out photos
of themselves “grave sucking” (as it is called) – trying to “soak
up” the anointing from the graves of dead preachers. I am not
exaggerating. They actually do this. I hope you can see how
dangerous and unbiblical it all is. Somebody needs to confront
Bill Johnson about it. That is why I am including a whole new
section of these disturbing facts in the 2015 edition of my book
‘Kundalini Warning.’ And it is also why I am writing this article.
When Nadab and Abihu offered “strange fire” before the Lord in
the Old Testament, they were consumed by God and died.
(Lev 10:1-2). ‘Strange fire’ is still deadly today. The body of
Christ needs to be warned.

As one of the graduates of the Bethel ministry school (BSSM)
wrote to me: “There would be all kinds of distracting behavior
(random shouting, laughing, etc.) during school sessions and
church services. When any guest speaker came to school,
students would flock to the front to get as close to the speaker
as possible. We were taught that any anointing we wanted
could be received by simply “claiming it” for ourselves… The
drunken behavior and questionable teachings from some, if not
all, of these speakers was shocking at times… I would always
hear people talking about their encounters with angels and how
they visited heaven. One young woman I knew said she could
see angels everywhere, she talked to them all the time, and
she would help her friends to do the same.”

In summary, this is a very dangerous movement and the warning
needs to be sounded as far and wide as possible.

PLEASE FORWARD this article to your friends.

God bless you all,

Andrew Strom.

Posted in Articles by Andrew on May 20th, 2015 at 10:29 am.

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  1. Clearly, some of this definitely sounds like California culture. When I lived there, people were really into forks and bowls that resonated different sounds, in addition to white sage burning. Perhaps, some of their culture is embedded into their thinking.

    But my question is, could some of this possibly be from God? I mean, the laughing and drunkenness. For example, I was worshiping with my sister down in Texas several years ago when all of a sudden I became semi-intoxicated. It was a pure, joyous feeling (nothing dirty) but I was clearly drunk-like. This has never happened again to that extent. However, another time I was using some oil for prayer and dedication and once the oil hit my hands, I felt giddy. I just wonder if some of this can be attributed to the things of the Spirit. Thoughts?

  2. This saddens me. The ministry of Jesus wasn’t about lying on graves trying to get the anointing. Things like this are the spirit of antichrist and they take the eyes of people off Jesus onto works. I don’t see anywhere in the Word of God where any minister called by God laid on a prophet’s grave to get their anointing. Whose grave did Jesus or Paul lie on? Since when do we need something more than Jesus?

    May Father God destroy all movements designed to distract us from seeing Jesus in all of His glory.

  3. Mark L Pavlot May 20th 2015

    ARE WE AWAKE? ARE YOU AWAKE? CAN YOU BE AWAKENED?
    Mark 14:41- Or shall the Master say, Sleep on now! The all important opportunity is passed!
    “Wherefore He saith, Awake you that sleeps, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.” Ephesians 5:14-17
    Are we absorbed and swallowed up with the importance of this hour and battle? Do we know this is a most momentous hour in history? Do we realize what God is doing and about to do, or are we swamped by lesser things, by trivial things, by things earthly, by things of time and sense?
    Has the call of God ever come to you? Did you ever heed it? Are you utterly absorbed and swallowed up with the import of that call? Shall we men, upon whom is the call of God, fail Him in this last crucial hour? Must the Lord close this age, the while deprived of the fellowship and use of the ministry of the men He has chosen to assist in that momentous affair? And we miss the God-given opportunity and privilege of being instruments in His hands, to accomplish His great Divine purpose?
    The reason being, He could not awaken us; He could not get our blindness healed; we could not be made to realize the greatness, the tremendous of what was going on! As Jesus said: Are ye also without understanding? How is it that ye do not understand? Then opened He their understanding. Is it possible for God to get at you and open up to you His great plans and purposes for this hour, (Amos 3:7) so that you can see and understand, in order that He can successfully engage for you to fulfill your part of what He is doing by His ministries?
    Great, very important, and far reaching influences, currents, conflicts, and movements of earth and among men, are originating from Satan or else from God; conflicts for control and supremacy. There has risen up a group of nations whose aim is the domination and enslavement of the whole race. Their aims are wholly selfish and diabolical. They deny and defy Almighty God defy His laws and His worship. They have no regard for personal rights… Psalm 79:1 has been repeatedly brought to me: O God, the heathen are come into Thine inheritance.
    Currents of Satanic origin, psychical cults and familiar spirits are gathering millions into groups, bound and ready for last day worship of the beast.
    A deadening sleeping power seems administered everywhere. Warning voices find it exceedingly difficult to awaken people to the terrific danger at hand. All hands are asleep!
    God is also launching wide reaching currents of His power, last day power, for the purpose of the closing the Gentile age; also to perfect Over-comers, bring in the millennium, cast down Satan, rid out the tares, and for the saints to possess the kingdom.
    To assist in the accomplishing of these revolutionary changes, God is looking for men whom He can use. But so far the Lord has found it exceedingly difficult to bring these men to be understandingly awake to His present new and powerful last day movements.
    Busy! They are so busy! Not a minute to lose! Like the man who was so busy he had no time to attend to his own personal business! They are so busy for the Lord, they have no time to be with the Lord. They cannot take time to be still and hear the Lord, and know what He wishes to bring them into.
    To full awaken and enlighten men to present hour moving of the mighty LORD, to qualify for a position in God’s ranks is no slight task. It requires an awakening, an alertness, a keenness of vision, insight and perception, attainable only by direct and constant contact with the Holy Spirit. It is required also that the Holy Spirit become our Teacher. Are you awake? Are you really awake to the issue of the hour? Blow a bugle blast! Sound an alarm in Zion! God is calling! Who will hear? (Joel 2:1).

    Blessings,
    Mp
    Freely You Have Received; Freely Give…
    Email Address: [email protected]

  4. stephen Boyce May 20th 2015

    I had some warnings on my facebook page and a certain friend told me to take it of and told me NOT TO SPEAK AGAINST THE LORDS ANNOINTED and unfortulately I did but I will put your site on my facebook page. this person told me that Bill Johnson is my brother in Christ Jesus of course I do not agree.

  5. I agree Cory. Yes we hear a lot about and see Heavenly stories and spiritual experiences being marketed and pushed . . . but we need to be discerning. I know from person experience that we can have HOLY encounters with God.

    For me that’s the point of difference. What kind of God are the people in these movements preaching? Is he reverenced and spoken of with awe, or is it ‘dirty’ ‘easy’ ‘fun’ and all a bit of a laugh?
    Having observed some of the teachers associated with this movement I was struck firstly by their lack of biblical understanding; particularly of the Old Testament.

    I was also struck by how ‘cool’ their version of God was . . . how all loving and relatable . . . even ‘down to earth.’

    These are warning flags to me. I love enthusiasm in the church and I’m all for experiencing God’s glory, but it has to be the real God, worshipped in truth, reverence and awe. He is Holy!

  6. Janet Stanton May 20th 2015

    I just want to say that I agree with everything you have written concerning Bill Johnson. I attended Catholic School for 12 years and then was involved in the New Age Movement for 15. I thought that when I repented of my sins, I was safe! I then got involved in the Prophetic Movement for the next 30 years. I had angelic visits and prophetic dreams, gold dust, etc. I went to Toronto about 9 times. When I first walked in the building, I said to myself, God is not in this but shortly after some people prayed for me and I was drunk for the next 3 days. It felt so good that I kept going back. I acted like a fool while at Toronto. I had been all over the country following all the prophetic teachers and soaking it all up. I thought I was moving in the gift of prophecy and was as good as the best of the Prophets in the country. This later turned out to be divination, not prophesy. When Todd went to Florida, I began to question things and seek the Lord. I read Andrew’s website and went on a long fast, seeking truth. After tremendous warfare, I finally was set free and began to study the bible for myself and the Lord lead me to a church that preached truth. I was baptized in the Name of Jesus and since then have stayed away from any teaching by this movement. I thank the Lord for your website and esp. for God’s grace.

  7. ValleyAnt May 20th 2015

    Cory, you’re right: culture does play a part in the beliefs of believers. God does do similar things; satan copies Him in order to appear real, but revivals and moves from God always feel holy and promote reverence for God, not a constant high for the people. Check out this video (to get the summary of the video, start at 41:25, just ten minutes to the end of the video) about the Azusa Street revival to get an overall summary of what moves from God really look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPm980ATPa4.

    Someone told me to read Bill Johnson’s ‘When Heaven Invades Earth’ in 2012. From the title, the book didn’t sound right; so rather than waste my time reading it, I read the back where Johnson writes, “Anyone can walk in the miraculous– even you!” I knew something was wrong about that statement and asked God what it was. He then took me to 1Cor. 12:28-29 where Paul, a much more credible source, tells us that not anyone can orwill walk in the miraculous but that walking in the miraculous is reserved only for certain people. The person who gave me this book to read attended a church connected to Johnson’s Church, and the godless practices of his church, promoted by Bethel, were sufficient enough to indicate what type of church Bethel was.

    The thing about Bill Johnson and fallen ministers like him is that they don’t really care whether or not what they practice and preach is biblical as seen in the above article; for them, as long as it gives a spiritual high, it is good. The Bible talks about ministers like Johnson and the other large number of them who operate in pride and substitute lies and their own preferences and private interpretations for God’s truth in 2Pet. 2 and Jude. These ministers are almost as anti-Christ (i.e. against and opposed to God and the things of God) as satan himself is. Though many Christians are asleep concerning this apostasy, the judgment of these ministers, as the Bible says, is silently stalking them and does not sleep, only waiting patiently, like a sniper, for the appointed time to take effect.

  8. Aaron Odencrans May 20th 2015

    I love you brother Andrew. I went to the youth revival meeting with u in cambridge in 2005, and had a wonderful time with the Saints there. Ive been through a lot of different things over the years that God is growing me in. I know the spooky spiritual false anointing stuff has to go. I have seen Jesus and angels in my dreams, but I also focus on the Truth of clear defined scripture. I tend more towards the charismatic side but also love the old hymns and even enjoy baptist churches. I know that every christian has areas of darkness in their doctrine and theology because we see through a glass darkly. Are these guys legitimately Born Again and filled with the Spirit? I think some are and some aren’t. A few charismatic preachers definately speak in false tongues. Or they are so immature in it that it doesnt sound like any sort of prayer language. Is there a revival on the scene? YES most definately. The reason revival is happening is because its so hard to survive spiritually that people are growing in the faith because persecution is beginning, not because people are seeing gold dust in their houses.

  9. Kathleen May 20th 2015

    Good grief. Are people so hungry and/or delusional they’ll run after entertainment or sensual pursuits of this sort?

    I live not far from J.Z. Knight’s compound in Yelm, WA ~ the “haunt” of the famous and infamous alike, among whom you’ll find Shirley Maclaine & Linda Evans. At the Ramatha School of Englightenment (https://www.ramtha.com/) you can delight in the same stuff offered by Bentley and Johnson only on a much grander scale. Spirit Guides and astral projection are elementary.

    There’s a good reason the scripture is full of caution about false teachers and unsound practices. By such seductive and destructive means the Whore of Babylon will establish a beachhead.

    Thank God warnings are being sounded. May those with ears to hear, hear.

    “Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.” Hebrews 13:9

    “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

    “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.: 2 Timothy 4:3

  10. Karen Bishop May 20th 2015

    I thank God for men and women who are strong and courageous in divulging truth about the ‘new age’ involvement in our churches. My heart weeps over the disrespect for the Holiness of God. These are dangerous time that we are enduring. God always has His General in the Army of Heaven to be watchmen on the wall. I thank God for each and everyone who will stand and be counted as members who walk not by sight but by the true spirit of the Lord.
    Satan knows that there are those who look in the natural realm for signs, miracles, and wonders and he is willing to supply the need to capture the hearts and lives of those who want notoriety for their flesh.
    Thank you for sharing and caring.

  11. Thank you for the comments and information. I grew so to speak in the prophetic movement. The Lord pretty much pulled me out in 2007 and since then I can see clearly. We are to be witnesses, and my question to those involved in those things are they glorifying The Lord and bringing people to Christ? What kind of impact do the manifestions bring? I think the truth is seen fully in scripture. I am all about Gods presence and glory, I love his gifts and presence. But when I hear this stuff still going on it grieves my spirit. It’s like immature children. We need to grow up and reflect the Character of Christ. For judging, I don’t think it’s judgement when we expose what’s wrong it’s what he’s called us to do. There are people out there that need our llove and deliverance not our foolishness. Lord help your church, we so need you.Sandi

  12. Bill is very tuned into the supernatural and the laws of the supernatrual. That is why what he says resonates with Christians. However, the supernatural is inhabited by both the good and evil. He not only crosses border, but is either clueless or wicked in his mixing of all things supernatural. In many ways, I have never heard someone so in tune with the “deeper” things and ways of the supernatural.

    Fortunately, as much as I identified with some of what he said (years ago), God told me I could not listen to him, so I did not. I am so grateful to God that his true colors are being made so obvious (I thought his endorsement of the New Mystics/Crowder).

    Anyway, this explained to me why Christians can bear strong witness to some of the things he says. They are true. But, most are leaven and lead one astray.

  13. I came out of a lot of the same. The reason for our stupidity was we were looking for God in our flesh, rather than allowing the Spirit of God to transform our lives. But the problem remains all of ours; as long as we see ourselves as the center of Christianity we are deceived in our attempts to find God. What solves the matter and what saved me from a lifetime of ineffective ministry was coming to understand the importance of the Cross.
    http://www.shadow-free.com/

  14. Andrew, I really enjoy your emails and appreciate you standing on the truth of the word of God. I also agree that the New Age stuff is totally “out there” and not biblical and let me be clear, I am not condoning any of these activities.

    That being said, I also believe that we can’t condemn every believer that has anything to do with Bethel because some have gone astray. We are one body serving one God. If satan attacks them and they are deceived, isn’t he also attacking us? Our enemy will find the weakest link in our chain and come in. Once he’s in, he contaminates the whole body and Christ is coming back for a spotless church. My point is that it’s not just black and white (we are right and they are wrong).

    We all must pray for Bill Johnson and all of Bethel. We must pray that God will be merciful and bring them back to the truth of His word.

    It’s important to pray and ask God for wisdom, discernment and humility and then do what the bible says:

    Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

    Andrew, as a leader in the Christian community, have you gone to your brother, Bill Johnson and spoken truth in love to him sharing areas in your life where you were once deceived and then came to truth? Let’s be like Jesus. Yes, we can warn others, but we also must be going to our brothers and sisters in Christ so that we can truly say to the Lord one day that we did as he told us to do.

    Galatians 6:1
    Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

    Jesus himself spoke of the leaven of the Pharisees, but he also confronted them directly.

  15. Charles Marlow May 20th 2015

    It is part of Andrew’s ministry to produce and provide exposes of these things. My q is always: “and where and what are your ((all of us reader armchair spiritual greats who would be the envy of the Sanhedrin)) works of righteousness” do not look to others and point at what they are doing or not doing and that’s the extent of your ministry. What are YOU doing, producing accomplishing, besides bewailing, for example, that “others are asleep” What is your commission? What are YOU supposed to be accomplishing? are you after it? A birthday candle lit on the 50 yard line will illuminate an entire stadium, not much, but more than an unlit one. So do what you can, work while you can…. have SOMETHING to show for your time here more than nods and agreement of how others are not getting it done or doing it wrong…. and i fully relate to Andrew’s cry, – have avoided some popular things things like the plague…. making me “just about as popular as a hawk in a henhouse or a skunk at a picnic” (Tozer)

    look, these self proclaimed prophets and their “big” churches and followings (ministry) are what? celebrity nonsense? we give them too much credit… and the fool(ed) that run after them get their reward for preferring the dainty treats of the lies rather than the truth. and Who is allowing and giving them over to it? They love the lie and are not guitless. So be busy shedding light and truth and do what you can,, you wont be judged by another person’s standard.

    but if all u ever are is “anti” …. where will your results and affect be found? I hid my talents, abilities and ideas and did nothing because i was afraid of making a mistake… and what’s the reward for doing that? look it up

  16. John Hayworth May 20th 2015

    There is nothing remotely spiritual about any of this it all panders to the flesh. The lusts of the eyes, flesh & the pride of life! It is purely sensual and demonically inspired.

    If the Devil only copies God, where are God’s crystal balls? Where are the genuine tarot cards? The true horoscopes? Etc.

    This is sorcery dressed up in Christian garb. Bill Johnson, Patricia King, John Crowder, Benjamin Dunn, et al, are all occult practitioners.

    Faith is not about belief in supernatural phenomena, it is about believing what God says without the need for experiences. A thing is so because God said it is and not because we feel it to be so.

    If the appearance of mere angels struck fear and dread in the hearts of men and women of God, and the presence of the almighty caused them to fall down as if they were dead, then none of what these people are peddling is of either angels OR God!

  17. L. Alex Smith May 20th 2015

    I have a question… has Andrew Strom, or any of you reading this, actually been to the Bethel, Redding site and seen it first hand? It’s easy to complain about non-Biblical terminology, and I’d say Quite Valid. But, should not one go with an open mind “What might the Lord actually want to say to me in all this? Can I sense His presence in my spirit in this? ” Because, what we see (usually) is a MIXTURE. Some True, and some false. I used to be involved in the Prophetic ministry in Seattle. I saw some really weird things– but also saw and experienced some really true and deep things of God, that He used to draw me closer to Him. Now, I am much more suspicious of that movement and doubt whether I could receive ANYTHING from it… certainly not the rubbish (we don’t want that) but probably not anything from God, either… because I do not seem to be able to operate the TRUE stuff in Faith, because I am on the defensive against the bad stuff now. So… has anyone been there to give some feed-back, e.g. “Well, there was this, that was just Heaven-sent… and, there was that, that I wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot barge pole!” Something like that, with Substance…?

  18. Thank You for the update Andrew a very serious issue and greatly needed warning for the body of Christ.

    I will add this for the darkness is increasing very rapidly and must be exposed.

    WHORE OF BABYLON

    November 21, 2014

    SAINTS CHRISTIANITY IS IN A CRISIS! Many souls lie in the balance, many are falling away. many into
    awful apostasy !

    This my friends is “THE WHORE OF BABYLON!” – THE APOSTATE CHURCH,

    Yes I know many claim the whore of Babylon is the Catholic church and yes she has her place deeply rooted within much of the apostasy we are witnessing today and the coming One World Order Beast System, she has so many abominations against God. as does most all denominations out there today do.

    These abominations against our God finds the whore intoxicated with such awful deceptions, her being indoctrinated with doctrines of demons and sadly she likes it that way having hardened her heart she is not willing to search God’s word for the truth that could save her and set her free. She likes her Freedom and Power and the awful works of darkness she walks in.

    Jesus said it this way.

    She thinks she is rich and in need of nothing, and he says one in this lukewarm state is “wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked” and he asks her to reconsider the state of her nakedness, which latterly makes him sick, while there is still time before she completely hardens her heart.

    So many of our churches are sick and have been flooded with pagan practices, witchcraft, meditations, and guided visualizations into the spiritual side of darkness the Kundalini spirit, angelic worship, unholy laughter, gold dust feathers, new age practices, portal travel, chasing demons, through spiritual mapping, commanding demons to leave certain areas of land, giving the demons names , this is not only un-biblical but forbidden. all this giving way to spirits of darkness, whom are out to destroy and manipulate those caught up in these abominations. In so many of our churches spirits of darkness have replaced the Holy Spirit. We even have many preaching a different Jesus one the apostles would not even recognize, many lying against the Holy Spirit.

    So much of what you have seen taking place here has come from the fallen Prophetic Movement and the New Apostolic Reformation Movement .

    Self appointed and ordained by men, not ordained by God. False Prophets, False Apostle’s, False Teachers today whom God has never called claiming to be Apostles and Prophets, many prophecy falsely, many caught in homosexuality, sexual abuse and drunkards, and adultery. holding huge Mega Conferences selling their latest books and videos as they take in millions of dollars as they continue to deceive the sheep.

    Jesus tuned the money changers tables over and sadly he may have very well turned these deceivers over to their lusts for money and fame.

    All this mentioned above we see in many of our churches today, Saints beware, if you see such as this, RUN! These carry with them Spirits of darkness, spirits of deception. I know, I myself was almost caught up in all this for a season, years back. Praise be to God I was spared, severely chastised by my Lord.

    Lets take a close look at what the Lord himself had to say about this “WHORE OF BABYLON” that is so strongly upon us today.

    We have seen this “RELEGIOUS BABYLON” the Whore Whom Rides the Beast identified as Apostate Christianity whom is spoken of in Revelations who will become a mixture of all the worlds religions as she will reject the true Christian faith. Jesus speaks of her as an adulterous Prostitute.

    She will eventually follow and serve the antichrist One World Order Beast System eventually under the Man of Lawlessness/antichrist, as she will commit adultery with the kings of the earth, causing the inhabitants of the earth to become intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.

    She will be joined with the worlds political, economic, and social religious system.

    Saints compare this to the Manifest Sons of God teachings and the Kingdom Now teachings Replacement Theology and the Seven Mountains Teachings. Most all of these BIG Conference teachers are caught up in these teachings of darkness.

    The Whore will ride the Beast, she will be the enemy of and hate the Lords precious Remnant his faithful saints and will persecute them.

    She will be Head over all the religions united together under the guise of peace, full of sorceries astrology and all kinds of abominations. Even the Pope has called for all religions to unite together. He is a very dangerous man!!! Darkness and Evil Spirits will follow the whore wherever she goes.

    Revelation says this is the “TITLE WRITTEN ON HER FOREHEAD”

    BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS

    AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    She adorns herself with luxuries, wealth and power She is very enticing.

    seducing many as did Jezebel of old. Beautiful on the outside yet full of inner

    darkness and deceit causing great damage to all whom follow after her

    even death and damnation.

    SAINTS BEWARE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HER.

    Yes we whom are Christ’s true remnant are to judge the works of darkness and to run from all the abominations within this WHORE OF BABYLON.
    PRAY For Christ’s faithful Remnant. Saints draw close to Jesus every day seek him hold on tight to him, he is the Only Way the Truth and the Light, stay joined to him daily, stay in the Word daily for it is a lamp unto our feet, Follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. He has promised he will never leave nor forsake those whom are his, no matter what the situation he is forever by our side, in him alone is our Joy our Peace our Eternal Salvation.

    Given In His Love

  19. Wow. Thanks for the information!
    “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many shall come claiming to represent Me, saying that I [Jesus] am the Christ, yet shall deceive many.” Matthew 24v4-5

  20. Well I have to tell you my story. About 7 years ago my son’s piano teacher told me to go to this great conference — all the heavy hitters would be there….Patricia king, James Goll, Larry Randolph (I think) & forget the others. I went with a friend. The first speaker came on & was actually pretty good. But the women sitting next to me seemed weird. They had long curling dark red finger nails & dark red lipstick & kind of looked like death. I felt in my spirit they were psychics. They laughed through the whole thing & I thought maybe I was missing the point.

    Later in the afternoon I went back with my friend & my 15 year old son to see James Goll speak. Mr. Goll laughed through the whole talk. My son said, “Mom this guy’s high.” I said, “No he’s not!” And my son insisted, “This guy’s smoking pot.” So we left & were planning to return to the night service.

    In between I looked up some of these speakers on the Internet & fortunately came across Andrew Strom (who I never had heard of) and his book. I read on his website about this “prophetic movement” and all the traits he described (like that holy laughter) I witnessed at this conference. I met my friend at the diner and said I don’t think we should go back there. But she wanted to so we went.

    So we were sitting there and now it was Larry Randolph. He said, “everyone named Bob stand up.” So they all stood. Then he said, “All of you will have a very prosperous year.” Next he said, “everyone named Sue stand up.” So they stood. Then he said, “All of you will be healed of your sicknesses.” With that, The Lord put into my head the scripture in Acts about the woman who told people that these Apostles preach Jesus & Peter rebuked her & said spirit of divination, come out of her. God was warning me loud & clear, even though this didn’t happen to me often. And I said to my friend, “These people aren’t prophets, they are psychics — we need to get out of here!” But my friend wanted to stay….so after about 5 minutes, I insisted we leave and I threw all their material in the trash on the way out.

    The next day, my friend told me that something had come over her and she was like “drugged” and could not get herself out of bed until 2:00 in the afternoon & felt terrible. She said she wished she would have listened to me & left when I said. She also said she’s so new in the Lord & doesn’t understand all this stuff so she said she needs to be more careful about what she attends in the future.

    Thank God for Andrew Strom & his warnings. I was so glad to see the confirmation of what I was feeling — false prophets.

  21. L. Alex Smith May 20th 2015

    Sorry about the last… I must have hit Enter twice, the computer was not co-operating…

    Portals: NOT in the Bible, in the sense of “we are opening a portal”. The only “portals” mentioned are in Genesis 28:17 where Jacob said the place in his dream (of the Ladder reaching between Heaven and Earth) “none other than the House of God [BethEL in Hebrew] and this is the Gate [Sha’ar, gate, door, port/portal] of heaven.” And JESUS said, “I am the Door [or, portal] of the sheep.” (John 10:7) In no place did MAN do anything to open it! Jesus IS the door– it’s already open for those who enter in by His blood!
    Third Heaven: ONCE in Scripture, in II Corinthians 12:2 where Paul describes a man (probably himself, because 14 years prior he was in Lystra and Derbe, and was stoned nearly to death– Acts 14:19). Paul says that what he (or the un-named man) saw was “unspeakable… not allowed to utter” (II Cor. 12:4) In Jewish lore, 1st heaven meant the sky, 2nd heaven meant either outer space or where angels and demons dwell, 3rd meant God’s Realm. While we ARE to be “sitting in the Heavenlies in Christ Jesus” (Ephes. 2:6) any visions we might see in that realm don’t compare to II Corinth. 12:2– so should not be placed within the same terminology.
    Spiritual Drunken-ness: YES, it’s in the Bible! But NOT in a Positive way! It’s found in Isaiah 29:9 –“Stay yourselves, and wonder: Blind yourselves, and be blind: they become drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the LORD has poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes; the prophets and your rulers and the seers, He has covered.” This shows that God gives people what they want… if they want Deception, then that’s what they’ll get, sadly.
    But, I have a question: how does one learn to operate in the Spirit, to “turn on” the Gifts for use? I always assumed, just start praying for things, like healing. What about Prophecy, though? Just start saying stuff? Well, how did you start speaking in tongues when you were filled with the Holy Spirit? At least for me, I “stepped out in faith” by “turning on” my vocal cords, but didn’t actually pronounce any particular syllable (because I didn’t want to make it up out of myself) but then, found fluent syllables just rolling off my tongue… I was in control of loud/quiet, start/stop, slow/fast, speak/sing… but…I wasn’t making up the words from my brain, like I do when I am speaking or writing! So… how do we expect to Prophesy? That is going to be in English of course… so where do they (the Bethel crowd/Toronto/Kansas City) have it wrong? I really need some answers!
    We know the CHARACTER of God’s Holiness in prophecy… but at least Part of it is for “comfort”. (I think that there is TOO MUCH emphasis on this in the Prophetic Movement)… but surely one can’t dismiss ALL of it… ?
    Any clarification here…?
    What IS God’s plan in the End Times? I’ve understood it to be a great Harvest of souls (as in the Parable of the Dragnet, Matt. 13:47-50 angels here CAN mean angels, or it can mean God’s messengers)… but I’ve also understood it to be a final Purification of those who will be in the Bride of Christ group (Rev. 19:7-8).
    So what is the main body of Prophecy going forth in these groups I mentioned? Anything of substance here…?

  22. Hi Andrew,
    I am happy you are exposing Bethel’s role in the new age/quantum mysticism book, The Physics of Heaven.

    Here is a short online booklet that also does that.

    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=15508

  23. Eric Barkley May 20th 2015

    Dear Andrew Strom.
    I was at one of Bill Johnson’s meetings in Spokane, WA. I didn’t let him minister to me, but neither did I rebuke that spirit in him. I was seeking to be a part of the John D. Lake healing prayer room until the LORD told me to have nothing to do with them back in 02 or 03?? Johnson was a part of that.
    Way before I heard of or found Revival List, and going back to the late 80’s, it seemed impossible to find a church that was NOT moving in the psychic rather than the Spirit of the FATHER. There are no churches today that follow the HOLY SPIRIT. If any group is following the SPIRIT of CHRIST, they are meeting in homes and are under the radar rather than on the mountain top for the world to see. They will not need to manufacture false other world experiences, their daily life will be full them. In the 70’s & 80’s, there were a few churches that had a mix because of the Jesus People revival, but as time unrolled, the Holy Fire went out, but few noticed it. I have said this many times, all Christians need to read Watchman Nee’s booklet, ‘The Latent Power of the Soul’.

  24. There is nothing spiritual about this these people pander to the flesh. They promote sensuality in the guise of “Christian Spirituality”. The lusts of the eyes and flesh as well as the pride of life.

    As for Satan only copying what God does, where are God’s crystal balls and Tarot? Where are the real spells and horoscopes?

    We are to live by faith not by such experiences. True faith believes God.

    When people came into the actual presence of God they were overwhelmed by His holiness which filled them with dread, sobered them up and never resulted in a state of “intoxication”!

    People like Bill Johnssson, Patricia King, john Crowder a d Benjamin Dunn have repackaged occultism in Christian wrappings.

    Toronto was sent by God, not as a blessing, but as a judgement upon the chhurches.

  25. We’re seeing a correlation between false light (satan), lightening and portals and quantum theory, etc. Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Links below: Not sure about quality of all the sources; however there’s useful info within. Todd Bentley satanic portals and scary Tesla quotes, such as, Tesla: “I wanted to illuminate the whole earth. There is enough electricity to become a second sun. Light would appear around the equator, as a ring around Saturn.” (Illuminati, Saturn). Also, several references to AI (artificial intelligence). This brings us to the Jade Helm (US military ‘drill’ scheduled for summer) equated to a ‘software program': “JADE” is an AI quantum computing technology that produces holographic battlefield simulations and has the ability to use vast amounts of data being collected on the human domain to generate human terrain systems in geographic population centric locations to identify and eliminate targets, insurgents, rebels or whatever labels that can be flagged as targets in a Global Information Grid for Network Centric Warfare environment” (decisions – integral part crowd control – thousands of processors per chip (quantum computing). See video at last link scoopfeed, particularly minutes 5-7 and last couple minutes (but all). This puts ‘feet’ on parts of outrageous theories as there may be a ‘core’ of truth can be obscured with other disinfo to confuse. Also, predictive programming in movies “War Games”, “Ex Machina” and almost every dystopian and sci-fi thriller last few decades. “Minority Report” concepts within Jade Helm scope, etc. Also IPetGoatII and “Kite” “Hit” “Steel” “Plane” “Must” Bush classroom, etc.
    http://patholliday.com/christograms/from_scribd/recently_uploaded/Todd-Bentley-Demonic-Portals-to-Third-Heavens.pdf
    http://christianpatriots.org/2014/12/04/was-tesla-the-conduit-between-fallen-angels-our-technology/
    http://planetxnews.com/2015/05/18/the-nikola-tesla-interview-hidden-for-116-years/
    http://www.teslauniverse.com/sites/default/files/article_files/19150600-01.pdf
    http://scoopfeed.net/2015/05/18/the-jade-in-jade-helm-15-is-an-ai-software-program/
    2 Kings 23:14-16King James Version (KJV) 1And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men. Moreover the altar that was at Bethel, and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove. And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchers that were there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchers, and burned them upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the Lord which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.
    Amos 3:14 That in the day that I shall visit the transgressions of Israel upon him I will also visit the altars of Bethel: and the horns of the altar shall be cut off, and fall to the ground. and Amos 5:5 But seek not Bethel, nor enter into Gilgal, and pass not to Beersheba: for Gilgal shall surely go into captivity, and Bethel shall come to nought.

  26. Dear Andrew–thank you so much for being brave enough to expose the false doctrine of Bethel Church. I live in this city and attended Bethel years ago when this was all getting going. I fell for it because of my own pride and desire to “be someone” in the prophetic movement. I suspect many of the young people that are drawn here feel the same. I saw them rush to sit “at Bill Johnson’s feet” almost in worship and that was enough for me. He did not discourage them. Perhaps they were after an anointing, but this is what is so sad, the thousands of young people who are gullible and untrained in Biblical Christianity come here in droves.

    I do appreciate some of the things done to help our community-many from Bethel
    go out to pray for people on the streets. (But I have to ask, do I really want them praying for me? Some carry an occult spirit.) They reach out to the poor and do many good works.

    Recently the community of Redding came together for a Good Friday Service and Bethel was involved. I attended and felt sick inside over the mixture of spiritual junk for several days. I even had a dream that night where I believe God was warning me about things there.

    The bottom line I think is that we need to pray for these people who are deceived. Many have egos the size of Texas and are puffed up on “power” not of the Holy Spirit. God is able to deliver them–He loved me enough to show me the truth of my own pride.

    God bless you, Andrew. Pray for our community–it is getting weird here in Redding, California. We need extra discernment and extra love. Amen.

  27. Sue Walsh May 20th 2015

    Hello all,

    It is Kabbalah… If you do not want to be deceived, you need to know about it.
    Kabbalah came from Babylon, and it is the religion of the sons of serpent, and the vehicle for delivering the satanism today.

    It is easily recognisable in Judaism, Freemasonry, catholicism, New Age, paganism, denominational and non denominational churches if you know what to look for. Winged sun gods as an angelic presence is just one such sign..

    Satan’s control of the dark side seems to have been done mainly through Kabbalah, and it is going on even more actively now in all ministries. None of them are clean. Satan sows many seeds.

    It was present in the wilderness in the form of Baal and Ashteroth worship, carried through to the Pharisees and Saducees and on to today’s ‘church’ via the Holy Roman Empire.

    It is the ‘her’ of Revelation and we are exhorted to come out of it.

    This is a very thorough article and not for the faint hearted:

    http://olivetjournal.com/judaism-and-kabbalah-2-what-is-kabbalah/

    Sue

  28. ValleyAnt May 20th 2015

    Andrew, besides being aware of and alert to all this and telling others about this deception, what are we to do? Are we all in a time of waiting for God to move or is there something else we can do? It’s sad to see that so many people prefer to serve self rather than God. I’m now convinced that if a minister is not jealous for God to be glorified (as Jesus said, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up”), that minister will automatically desire to glorify himself in at least some small way. I believe it’s either about God being glorified or is about our glorification.

  29. Thank you Andrew, Bill Johnson is someone we have felt very uneasy about for a while. He comes across as the more sane one if not a bit smug. The church we were in sent people off to Bethel and we tried to warn people and printed off your book to give some of them. No one wanted to know and thought we were just being judgmental. Thanks for the information that we haven’t heard about in your article above. That proves beyond all doubt he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
    If only people had more true Holy Spirit discernment and recognized things faster before it gets so obvious and peoples lives and faith are damaged. Thank you Lord that You are still building and preparing Your Church despite the frauds.

  30. Just want to add have really appreciated reading the comments from others on this, they are all very helpful too. And we will pray Wanda, must be tough for you. XX

  31. Andrew, I think we should get back to basics and know that Jesus told us the ONLY way we would know those who are not of Him is by their fruits – Matthew 7. If a person is jerking and shouting and it is not bringing forth the deliverance, freedom and salvation of that person or others, then it is NOT of the Lord and we reject it.

    I am saying this because we have to be very careful in putting the Lord in a box. If we do we may have condemned him when he put saliva and mud into a person’s eyes to heal them. Some of us may have been concerned that such behavior would drive people away.

    I don’t support Bill for the only reason that I did not agree with his handling of Todd Bentley’s situation. We are to have the servant heart and humility of Jesus to have His character. When Todd should have been a servant to his wife, he was cheating on her. In such ministry you can be sure the Lord Himself was not welcome. The spirits manifesting were not of the Truth.

    On the other hand I have exhibited some very “weird” behavior and I know it was the Lord. In Isaiah 30 we are told that The Lord (we as His Body included) will slay the enemy with our breath and with the lighting down of His (our) arms…As an intercessor I have shouted, danced, laughed at the enemy (Psalm 2 – the Lord laughs at His enemies) etc.

    Are people who engage in such things liable to be deceived? absolutely. If they are engrossed with the spirit realm and don’t have the character of the Jesus – of humility and servant hood etc.they could easily be entertaining other spirits. Remember the magicians in pharoah’s court who did the same miracle as Moses, except that the Lord of Moses showed Himself stronger than their “gods.”

    Be careful of labels – like frequencies are new age. If you read science and its recent discoveries where everything is made up of waves, you will realize that science is catching up with the Word (frequency) of the Lord.

    I am also going to add an example, which is meant to make you think. I am from a very conservative south asian culture, though I now live in the US. The picture of your daughter as a bride made her breasts very prominent. We were taught (as unbelievers) not to dress in a way that the woman’s body shape was too prominent. Our blouses therefore were loose and below the crotch of our pants. If your daughter had come into one of our “born again” churches, she would have been rejected. It is based on Romans 14:13 – not to cause others (a man or today maybe even a twisted minded woman) to stumble.

    Let us judge righteous judgment. Stay with the Lord and His Anointing will teach us – Matthew 23:8-10, 1John 2:27.

  32. Sue Walsh, Jesus was a Jew and He learned and taught about Himself from Judaism…all his earthly followers were Jews. He only ministered in Israel to Jews.

    Jesus was not a roman catholic christian. He did not believe in doctrines like the trinity because a fundamental declaration of Judaism is that The Lord G-d is ONE.

    You should understand that the enemy can only act by twisting the Truth, and using labels to deceive many. Kabbalah is from the Oral Law of the Jews. We have in the old testament the Written Torah. Let the Lord teach you and be humble to hear from Him without your preset ideas – you can study Kabbalah and ask the Lord to teach you what is of Him and what is not of Him. His Peace within you will guide you. Romans 14:17.

    You should know your enemy to defeat him. We don’t have fear. We trust the Lord to keep His Word and teach us. Matthew 23:8-10, 1John 2:27.

    If you talk about things without the Lord teaching you, you may be unwittingly a tool of the enemy to keep people in bondage.

  33. Reb, I cannot agree with you more. You put it correctly – Bill understands a lot about the supernatural. What was not emphasized is Holy Living for the Lord. At that point a person can be walking with evil in the same supernatural principles.

    I have a niece who is with the ministry and I can sense her annoyance when I talk of repentance etc. She actually finished the 3 year bible school there. To them the hyper grace message is more acceptable.

  34. Cory, I will share what happened to me. I was first very wary about the laughter in the spirit, when it first hit my country. The only good thing was that I had already decided I would not criticize anything until I heard from the Lord.

    The following Sunday, I was filled with laughter and fell on the floor. During that time on the floor, I had an understanding of how great the Lord is. From that I knew it was not evil.

    However you probably know that the enemy imitates every gift or manifestation of the Spirit of the Lord. We don’t fear and trust the Lord to teach us and lead us – Matthew 23:8-10, 1John 2:27, James 1:5, Psalm 32:8.

  35. annikins May 21st 2015

    O my goodness, I have just had a look at the book John put up http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=15508. If that’s not enough to make people sit up and take notice I don’t know what is.
    As for those who say to have “an open mind” please be careful what you open your mind to. God tells us to guard our hearts, and our meditations, and to wear the helmet of salvation along with the other armour, we are to protect our minds not accept every wind of doctrine.
    Please take care

  36. Andrew May 21st 2015

    Here is their website to find out all about that Bethel book-

    http://heavensphysics.com/chapters/

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  37. Gary M May 21st 2015

    How did the Quakers get their name? Why was one of the Holy Ghost manifestations during John Wesley and George Whitfield called the “jerks”? If divorce completely disqualifies someone from ministry (as alluded to) 50% of the church is in trouble since forgiveness isn’t considered.

    Bethel Church in Redding CA, has quite an outstanding record of documented miracles and healings. When confronted by the Pharisees and accused of using Satan to heal, Jesus responded that Satan does not cast out Satan. Does Bill Johnson make mistakes? Certainly! Do I or you or Andrew make mistakes? Certainly! But I’d rather make a mistake than not try.

    Let’s just be honest, this is an undocumented article based on hearsay testimonies and not enough fact to research. And it almost feels like what I’ve heard ministers say: “If it (the manifestation) was from God I surely would have experienced it. Since I didn’t, it cannot be from God.”

    Sorry Andrew, I can’t stand with you on this one. Bless you though.

  38. Andrew May 21st 2015

    Please go to the book’s website – and then tell me this is not ‘New Age’. Here it is-

    http://heavensphysics.com/chapters/

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  39. ValleyAnt May 21st 2015

    Liz48, I agree that we should judge things primarily by their fruits or outcome rather than what they look like. (Of course, so far in these Charismatic camps, I have not seen deliverance or healing or reasonable effect come out of epileptic-like fits and the like.) Jesus did do some things we would consider definitely strange, but He had effect (whereas people today who do strange things about 99% or more of the time don’t have effect). I don’t support Bill because he posed a lie as the truth on the back cover of one of his books; and I have learned that a person who lies about small things will lie about big things. If Bill calls a lie the truth in one thing, will he not do it in other things?

    The Lord also led me to worship Him and dance to bring about the deliverance of a person bound by satanism and satanists. I agree that He can lead one to do strange things (He had a prophet lie on both sides for days on end, etc.). Again, what is the fruit? And while it is true that everything has a frequency, etc., the problem here isn’t really the ‘New Age’ wording that these Christians use but the fact that they are not being led by the HOLY Spirit. One of the things I’ve found about God is that except for Himself and His beginnings, which do not exist, He has made everything to be explainable; that means everything can be explained. Naturally, He made His Word and all the frequencies explainable also. But when we are not led by the Spirit and start talking about these things, we are guaranteed to get off track and be led by evil spirits who promise us fame, praise, and glory. If the Spirit led a minister to talk about ‘frequencies’ (the enemy abducted all these terms and activities so that he would corrupt what is originally good), the ministry would first be to the spiritually mature who are not inclined to go chasing frequencies and experiences (and are the people of Johnson’s church spiritually mature) and would secondly have godly effect in that the hearers would grow in zeal for God, fruits of the Spirit, and love for their fellow man. We see zero of these good fruits among Johnson’s people.

    I understand what you’ve said about judging, and judgment is only truly righteous when we don’t speak on a thing till the Lord has spoken to us on it (there are not many practicing this yet): “Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes who will bring to light EVERY hidden thing of darkness and will reveal the counsels of the heart” (1Cor. 4:5). Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruits.” But which one of us knows just what those words mean? Only the Lord can say in one or few words why Johnson is false; the rest of us can often only see bits and pieces. There are many ministers who are doing what Johnson is doing with the ‘frequencies’ and such: hungry for glory, fame, and recognition, they distribute things that may be true but that the Lord has not told them to teach or has not told them yet to teach. The Lord may show them a revelation that many don’t know, and they share it without waiting on the Lord, because in their deepest heart, they are in competition with Him for glory but don’t know it. Others may receive nothing at all from the Lord but from evil spirits who seek to poison everything that God has made (e.g. frequencies and the fact that many things that the New Age teaches are taken from the good that God created but are defiled by the demonic and the soul); they naturally then share such things, desiring glory for self as the Lord “is in none of their thoughts.”

    Finally, Jesus made it clear that there are only two types of shepherds (or pastoral leaders): those who will lay down their lives for their sheep and those who won’t. I have found it necessary to get closer to the taproot of issues rather than hacking at branches, trunks, or even roots. If a man or woman claims to be a pastor but will not lay down his life (i.e. his time, reputation, finances, and well-being) for the sheep in his care, is that man a genuine pastor or a man of God? According to Jesus, he is not (though sometimes he may simply be a godly pastor still in a state of maturing). That standard is more of the taproot of the tree as to discerning a minister by his fruits; let us use that one if we are brave. How many pastors do we know who is willing to lay down his life for his flock? The notion is a concept, so there are few. It isn’t so much what Bill Johnson or ministers say or do but what is in their hearts. When Jesus told His stories and parables, He often shot right to the heart or root so as to make discernment and understanding easier for all of us: “By their fruits, you will recognize them… Which one of those men was neighbor to that wounded man… But inside, they are full of dead men’s bones… Why do you think in your hearts… He marveled at their unbelief (hardness of heart)… Why do you call Me good? No one is good but God… Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord’ but do not do… The man who hears My words and does them I will liken to a wise man who built his house on the rock… The one who has My commands and does them, HE is the one who loves Me… The good (godly) shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” The more we learn to look for and discover the roots of things, people, issues, etc., the faster we will be able to know people after the spirit and recognize people by their fruits so that we don’t have to sit around waiting for Bill Johnson to buy angel wings and try to fly off a ten-story building before we can finally say, “Yeah, he has missed it.” He missed it a very long time ago; it’s just now becoming more manifest to our eyes of flesh when it should have been manifest to our spiritual eyes from the beginning.

  40. Randall Rathbun May 21st 2015

    One should simply ask BIll if he believes that demons can cast alternate realities (like dreams) and deceive Christians into believing that they are experiencing truth.

    Demons have the ability to create 3d movies of alternate reality (like the Matrix movie) and totally deceive the recipient (usually Christians) into believing that they are experiencing God.

    Fortunately God said He is going to cut these days short, lest the elect be deceived.

  41. ValleyAnt May 21st 2015

    Randall Rathbun, I am sometimes amazed that God did not record certain things in the Bible and that Jesus did not explain many things either (though He did say the Spirit would do so as it was too much at the time, but the other things He did and said, which John spoke of, were not recorded either). One of those things that Jesus did not explain much was when He began to talk about the end by saying to His disciples, “Beware that no one deceives you…” He said that men would come saying that He (Jesus Himself) was indeed the Christ but that these men would still deceive people. Right there is sort of a signpost that says, “There is a lot more to this story than is recorded in the Pages”, because many say that He meant there that many would come claiming that they themselves were Jesus Christ.

    One of the things Jesus did not explain for us (but left to the Spirit who is well able to do the job) was HOW satan would deceive the churches and bring in the anti-Christ, etc. I know that myself, thinking alone, would– if I was opposed to God– seek to preempt every good plan He had, already understanding the spiritual principle that people tend to prefer what they are accustomed to as Jesus said: “No one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better'” (Lk. 5:39). After satan has acted to serve his old wine, many will not want Jesus’ ‘new wine’ when He pours it out, because they will say, “The old is better.” satan is well-versed in spiritual principles and has more than one mind working for him to oppose God and the formation of Christ on earth (in the Church); that means he has a lot more to do with all this mess than we’ve been told. (Of course, also because of his presence and control of many churches, the position he plays in all this last days stuff is rarely mentioned.) What am I saying? Well, there is another facet to this nightmare which is that satan began planning from the beginning how he would get back at God, prevent God’s Kingdom on earth, and usurp Jesus’ lordship in the churches. His plan is actually to bring in the anti-Christ (the religious side) through the Christian church itself, not just through Islam or Catholicism. In other words, he and his evil empire are well able to appear as angels of light and create theater and 3D anything and trances and signs and wonders in order to deceive Christians. They are and have been doing worse or ‘greater’ (more ‘wonder-full’) things.

    So, false prophets, Charismania, and unChristian Christianity aren’t always the result of Christians gone wild; satan also has human workers (satanists, you can call them) who have been working diligently for years to oppose and destroy the churches and who masterfully manipulate people, things, and events in order to achieve their own ends. They have therefore begun ‘Christian’ ministries, churches, and movements that were bad from the roots and so cannot truly bear good fruit. These movements are meant to turn people off to God, bring people into bondage, and bring in false doctrines and spirits to damn those who thought they were turning to God. To conclude and summarize, there is a lot of satanic wisdom at work in what is going on including Bill Johnson, Patricia King, and the rest (when I say satanic wisdom, I don’t mean that these ministers mistakenly caught an evil spirit; I am saying that some of these ministers knowingly work directly for satan’s kingdom and for his anti-Christ agenda while others who are not aware are manipulated to do the same). I have also been surprised that Jesus said so little about this particular aspect of things, especially as I see all of it called things like kundalini and New Age. The roots of it are downright satanic with literal satanists working to promote the lesser evils of kundalini (and other false ‘holy spirits’), the New Age, etc., for the real satanic agenda. I would like to hear teaching about this from pulpits or known ministers someday.

  42. Johan Lofgren May 21st 2015

    Hello all!
    Here in Sweden we have the same problem with the profetic movement. Christians get crazy and attend meetings with such speakers mentioned here above. Years ago I went to a gathering arranged by the movement New Wine, and I couldn’t stay for more than half an hour. I could hear inside: “They are playing with the Spirit”. But now I believe they were and are playing with many spirits (fallen ones).

    I prefer the one and only Holy Spirit from God. Johan

  43. Sue Walsh May 21st 2015

    Liz48

    Thanks for your reply. Yeshua was not a Jew in that he did not practice Judaism. The term, “the Jew,” in the Bible does not mean “the Jews” of today. It meant either “the Judeans” OR those who practiced “Judaism of the Pharisees. As the Lion of the tribe of Judah he was a Judean but he actively spoke out against the traditions of man that they practiced.

    Jew is a relatively new word, it first appeared in the word in the 18th century. The word Jew was originally written as:

    Ioudaios ( Strong’s which finds its roots in
    Iouda ( Strong’s G2448) meaning Judah – he shall be praised.

    In Hebrew it is Yehuwdah ( Strong’s H3034) . Or Yĕhuwdiy ( Strong’s H3064) . Both have the same root: praised.

    That is who was on the cross, the one to be praised..

    When Yeshua our Lord walked on the earth and later when Paul was ministering, “the Jews” were those who practiced Pharisaic Judaism. Yeshua called them a brood of vipers so you can see the connection to the serpent seed.

    Modern day Judaism began with a mixture of orally transmitted interpretations of “Mitzvot” (613 biblical laws) and ‘Talmudic laws’. It later included the rabbinical laws. Talmud consists of “Gemura” (“learning by tradition”), Mishna (“oral” Torah), and Torah. The actual Torah or truth is the smallest part of the whole teaching.

    This verse shows Yeshua’s stance on extra biblical traditions. He said do what comes from Moses’ seat, in the other words the Torah but not what they do beyond it which was Pharisaicalism or Judaism

    Matthew 23

    Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

    In terms of Yeshua learning and teaching about Himself from Judaism…I think you probably mean the Torah or first five books of the word and other books. And yes indeed we can see His life reflected throughout the 7 feasts of the Father. Right from the beginning the word or Yeshua was made flesh.

    You said: He only ministered in Israel to Jews.

    The word is a beautiful love story of a Father who sent His Son to marry a people He created to be His comparable Helper, the Bride.

    First he married her and then he Divorced her and scattered her because she was rebellious. He allowed His son to die so that she could be redeemed from her sin.

    Yeshua left Judah to go to the Gentiles of every tribe and tongue AKA the Lost Sheep/House of Israel/Ephraim/Woman/The Ten Tribes/”10″/House of Joseph …

    He is currently staying with us for 2000 years ( prophetically revealed in the 40 years of wilderness as 40 x 50 is 2000) to gather His sheep. He is refining,sealing and gathering the Bride, in the midst of the deception. Bill’s teaching is an example of that.

    Israel is the bride not the political nation in the Middle East. Israel is the lost sheep Yeshua went after. Matthew 15, not the Jewish people.

    Strong’s H3478 – Yisra’el means God prevails.

    The lost sheep are the seed of Abraham Gal 3 v 29, and therefore of Jacob or Israel. They are the sons of the living God not the present day Jews.

    I hope this helps.

    Sue

  44. Sue Walsh May 21st 2015

    ValleyAnt said:
    His plan is actually to bring in the anti-Christ through the Christian church itself.

    I couldn’t agree more. It is done through her or the whore as per Rev 17.

    However half way through the last week, her job will be done when the beast/abomination and desolation will rise up from the bottomless pit.

    Abba Father will get rid of her once He has achieved that end. Hence we are exhorted to get out of her..

    It is His plan… He is completely in control of all the deception we see around us. He is teaching us to go to Him and not man.

    Rev 18

    Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
    death, mourning and famine.
    She will be consumed by fire,
    for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

    Rev 19

    He has condemned the great prostitute
    who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
    He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”

    Only one person will be able to fight the now revealed beast that is the heavenly warrior, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords – Yeshua Messiah.

    Rev 19 v 20

    But the beast was captured.and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. …..The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

    Hallelujah praise the Lamb!

    Sue

  45. Hey people, just Love the body of Christ and preach the gospel but we shouldn’t build our ministries on attacking others and may be miracles, sign and wonders might just follow us. Love you all.

  46. Andrew……………….you are RIGHT ON . this is new age madness……
    but let us make this so easy a child can see………
    HOW does one truly know what SPIRIT They follow……..
    ITS real easy…………
    Would GOD bark like a dog……………………NO.
    WOULD JESUS roll around like his head was on fire
    and tell anyone to kick a lady in the face with combat boots…..to give her an anointing……………NO…….
    IF THE SPIRIT does not cause one to be HOLY………
    then it aint HOLY.
    which means it aint OF GOD…….
    so many don’t realize……………….
    THIS spirit is making a mockery of GOD………..
    its mocking HIM, and using his own creation to MOCK and INSULT GOD, as though he would have us behave as dogs
    or etc……………
    THIS SPIRIT mocks GOD.
    but let us make it even easier………….
    HOW did JESUS say to pray…………….
    HE said not to use repetitive prhases and many words
    thinking we would be HEARD for our words…….
    CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER…..
    is the exact OPPOSITE Of HOW JESUS said to pray,
    circle makers are witches…………….
    Does GOD hate drunkenness, DOE HE call that a sin…….
    THEN WHY WOULD HIS SPIRIT seem to imitate a DRUNK man…….
    IT MOCKS GOD……….this spirit INSULTS GOD
    its blasphemous.
    I have seen grown men walking and talking like DRUNK
    and slurring their speeches…………and acting LIKE DRUNK……
    the apostels,
    when those men thought they were drunk
    IT WASNT CAUSE they was slurring and falling down …….
    no , imagine coming up to a group
    of people speaking a language which would sound like loud
    babble , YOU WOULD THINK THEY WERE MAD OR DRUNK
    but this false spirit tries to ACT DRUNK,
    a very different approach to the REAL DEAL…………..
    what many don’t realize
    is that alice baily and Barbara max hubbard
    actually prophesied by their false spirit
    that this would happen in churches,
    that new age would infiltrate and take over Churches………
    and THEY HAVE……………..they DID IT……….
    but before anyone says
    that either of these two Satanists were under the HOLY SPIRIT
    just because what they prophesied came to pass………..
    I would READ deut chapter thirteen ………..
    IF a dreamer or prophet prophesies and tells a dream
    and it come to pass……………saying let us go after other gods……
    I the LORD have allowed it……..TO PROVE YOU
    to see whether YE LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD with all your HEART…
    but it appears…………..many have gone a whoreing after
    other gods……………and other spirits………
    oh, but randall…………..some say
    this spirit has to be of GOD
    it makes us feel love, feel peace, feel JOY……..
    ITS FALSE
    kundalni……………..DOES THE SAME THINGS………
    false love, false joy , a false peace……….
    and trust me tis a false love……….
    cause there is no more gravity, no more warnings
    I mean………when is the last time
    these new agers , or luke warm christains
    have taught good old SOUND DOCTRINE
    or exhorted the church to LIVE HOLY
    to walk as DID JESUS , to
    depart from all iniquity, to crucify the evil flesh,
    to go and sin no more,
    to let not covetousness or evil be NAMED ONCE
    among us as saints…..
    I MEAN WHERE IS THE DOCTRINE…..
    OOOPS……………they leave that OUT…..
    and focus on the FLESH…………and minds of men
    and self glory and looking good and having the power….
    but what about HE WHO HOLDS THE POWER…………
    where is the FOCUS ON GOD
    where is the FOCUS ON THE GOSPLE
    where is the focus on CORRECTION
    where are the GRAVE MEN……….
    GONE……………………….they gone
    and NEW AGE HAS FILLED THE VOID……..
    and now under this new age love spell…..
    Love has even become something it never was to be….
    the focus of LOVE and GODS GOODNESS
    is now all about not repentance nor the dire NEED of CHRIST
    but rather ACCEPTANCE OF sin
    and come as ye are and live as ye desire
    cause in the end GOD wont send anyone to hell……
    YET , wait,
    LOVE FULLFILLS the law…………IT DONT TRANSGRESS IT
    so if we LOVE we would walk as DID JESUS who fulfilled the law
    SEE the law would be magnified upon our heart to live OUT
    to LIVE out……………..
    not to earn, but to LIVE IT, as evidence of CHRIST IN OUR HEART……..
    as for the GOODNESS OF GOD…………..
    IT IS SUPPPOSED TO LEAD ONE TO REPENTANCE FROM SINS………..not to accepting everone the way they are……..
    BUT the master of new age KNOWS how to deceive
    and keep the people away FROM SOUND DOCTRINE…
    and this spirit just mocks and mocks GOD…..
    and worse……….many who call themselves HIS PEOPLE
    Love to HAVE THIS so………even the
    pope told his own how to pray
    and it sounded just like new age contemplative prayer….
    POPULAR POPE, popular worldy prayer………
    something is all wrong about all of this……….
    and this new age spirit is leading all
    RIGHT TO THE SON OF PERIDITON
    right into world peace , world unity, worldly love
    and just like the BIBLE WARNED……..
    my advice stays the same……..
    number one……..REPENT OF EVIL
    and COME TO JESUS…………
    and if one is OF JESUS………….it is seen……
    FOR THEY WALK as DID HE………who knew no sin.
    now go and sin no more.

  47. Sue Walsh May 21st 2015

    Joss:

    Ephesians 5 v 11

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove ( expose) them.

    Sue

  48. Andrew is right on, this is NEW AGE…..
    and not only are buddists , so called christains,
    some muslims, even science and health is following its examples
    in SOUND and in HEALING…..
    but some still want to sit under that witchcraft which has invaded the church…….
    why do you all think this is gaining the ground
    all over the place……..
    its to get the world prepared under this spirit
    to make ready the hearts of the people
    for the SON OF PERDITON
    his world peace, his love , his world unity………
    and many are now under this spell.
    ANDREW…………..warn till you have not a ounce of breath left….
    so many cannot discern the spirits……..
    and will follow just anything that feels good,
    so long as they aint got to BE GOOD.

  49. Mark L Pavlot May 21st 2015

    The man of God who brings forth this prophecy was mightily used by the Lord some years ago. He moved in the realm of the prophetic in the Lord, his journeys took him in the midst of what some have known as the “latter rain revival”. He also became editor in chief for a rather large publication that to my knowledge is still being printed today. The price this man of God paid for the things the Lord revealed to him, reflects the cost of being a prophet of God. It to me adds merit to the prophetic word that comes forth. I have carried this word with me for over 37 years and have often shared it.

    In the hour in which we live there are many voices in the land, I see some with clarity of purpose. This would be one prophecy that one should pay heed to:
    1Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
    2 Chronicles 20:20b – Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.

    Blessings,

    Mp

    1965 VISION OF COMING DECEPTION
    By Stanley Frodsham

    The following is an excerpt from a prophecy given at the Elim Bible Institute Summer Camp Meeting in 1965 by the late Stanley Frodsham. Brother Frodsham was a recognized prophet and teacher in the Body of Christ whose life and ministry spanned the Pentecostal Revival, the great Healing Revival and the early days of the Charismatic Movement. He also authored the well-known book, “Smith Wigglesworth: Apostle of Faith”.

    Great Judgments
    “With great judgments will I plead with the population of this country. Great darkness is coming upon the countries that have heard My gospel but no longer walk in it. My wrath shall come upon them. The darkness shall be so great and the anguish so sore that men shall cry out for death and shall not find it. There shall be a lingering death, famine and great catastrophes.

    My wrath shall be manifested against all ungodliness. It shall come with great intensity. You have known my love but have not experienced My wrath or My severity. My judgments are literal and not a thing to be passed over lightly. Realize the severity of My judgments and My intense anger against the sin in My Household. My judgments shall begin in My House, for I will cleanse My House that it be not a partaker of My wrath against the iniquities of the cities. Before I visit the nations in judgment I will begin at My House. When I do cause My wrath to come upon the cities of the world My people shall be separate. I desire a people without spot or wrinkle and such will be preserved by Me in the time of My wrath, which will be coming upon all iniquity and unrighteousness.

    I am going to prepare you for the coming days by a hard path that will cause many to cry out continually unto Me. For when the going is easy men do not seek Me, but rejoice in a temporary blessing. And when that blessing is removed they so often turn this way and that way but do not come to Me. I am showing you these things in order that you may seek Me continually and with great diligence. As you seek Me I will open up truth to you that you have not seen before, and this very truth will be such that will enable you to stand in these last days. As you are persecuted, reviled and rejected by your brethren then you will turn unto Me with all your heart and seek Me for that spiritual life that you need. So that when the tribulation comes you will have that which will enable you to stand. For many will be tossed to and fro, and many hearts shall fail them because of trouble on every hand. These days shall be very terrible the likes of which have never been seen before.

    Coming Glory – and – Deceiving Spirits
    When I visit My people in mighty revival power, it is to prepare them for the darkness ahead. With the Glory shall come great darkness, for the Glory is to prepare My people for the darkness. I will enable My people to go through the darkness because of the visitation of My Spirit. Take heed to yourselves lest you be puffed up and think that you have arrived. Many shall be puffed up as in the olden days, for then, many received My message but they did not continue in it. Did I anoint Jehu? Yet the things that I desired were not accomplished in his life. Listen to the messengers, but do not hold persons in admiration or adulation. For many whom I shall anoint mightily with signs and miracles shall become lifted up and shall fall by the wayside. I do not this willingly for I have made provision that they might stand. I call many into this ministry and equip them, but remember that many shall fall. They shall be like bright lights and the people shall delight in them. But they shall be taken over by deceiving spirits and shall lead many of My people astray. Hearken diligently concerning these things, for in the last days shall come seducing spirits. They shall turn many of My anointed ones away, many shall fall through diverse lusts and because of ‘sin abounding’.

    But if you will seek Me diligently I will put My Spirit within you so that when one shall turn to the right hand or to the left hand you shall not turn with them, but instead you will keep your eyes fixed wholly on your Lord. The coming days are going to be most dangerous, difficult and dark for there shall be a mighty outpouring of My Spirit in judgment upon many cities and many shall be destroyed. My people must be diligently warned concerning the days ahead. Many shall turn after seducing spirits and already many are seducing My people. It is those who ‘Do Righteousness’ that are righteous. Many cover their sins by great theological words. But I warn you of seducing spirits who instruct my people in an evil way. Many of these I will anoint that they in turn may purify and sift My people, for I will have a holy people. When I come I shall not find faith upon the earth but in a few, for when the time of testing comes many will depart from their Lord.
    Many shall come with seducing spirits and hold out lustful enticements. You will find that after I have visited My people again the way will become more and more narrow, and fewer shall walk therein. Be not deceived, the ways of righteousness are My ways. For though Satan come as an angel of light hearken not to him; for those who perform miracles and speak not righteousness are not of Me. I warn you with great intensity that I am going to judge My House and have a church without spot or wrinkle when I come. I desire to open your eyes and give you spiritual understanding, that you may not be deceived but may walk with uprightness of heart before Me, loving righteousness and hating every evil way. Look unto Me and I will make you to perceive with the eyes of the Spirit the things that lurk in darkness, that are not visible to the human eye. Let Me lead you in this way, that you may perceive the powers of darkness and battle against them. It is not a battle against flesh and blood, for if you battle in that way you accomplish nothing. But if you let Me take over and battle against the powers of darkness then they are defeated, and then liberation is brought to My people.

    The Ways of Deceivers
    I warn you to search the Scriptures diligently concerning these last days. For the things that are written shall indeed be made manifest. There shall come deceivers among My people in increasing numbers, who shall speak forth the truth and shall gain the favor of the people. For the people shall examine the Scriptures and say, ‘What these men say is true’. Then when they have gained the hearts of the people, then and then only shall they bring out their wrong doctrines. Therefore I say that you should not give your hearts to men, nor hold people’s persons in admiration or adulation. For by these very persons Satan shall gain entry into My people. Watch for seducers! Do you think a seducer will brandish a heresy and flaunt it before the people? He will speak words of righteousness and truth and will appear as a minister of light, declaring the Word. The people’s hearts shall be won. Then when the hearts are won, they will bring out their doctrines and the people shall be deceived. The people shall say ‘Did he not speak thus and thus’? ‘And did we not examine it from the Word’? ‘Therefore he is a minister of righteousness. This that he has now spoken we do not see in the Word but it must be right, for the other things he spoke were true’.
    Be not deceived. For the deceiver will first work to gain the hearts of many, and then shall bring forth his insidious doctrines. You can not discern those who are of Me and those who are not of Me when they start to preach. But seek Me constantly, and when these doctrines are brought out you shall have a witness in your heart that these are not of Me. Fear not, for I have warned you. It is possible that the very elect may be deceived. But it is not possible if you walk in holiness and uprightness before the Lord, for then your eyes shall be open and the Lord will protect you. If you will constantly look unto the Lord you will know when the doctrine changes, and will not be brought into it. If your heart is right I will keep you, if you will look constantly to Me, I will uphold you.

    The minister of righteousness shall be on this wise — his life shall agree with the word, and his lips shall give forth that which is wholly true, there will be no mixture. When the mixture appears then you will know he is not a minister of righteousness. The deceivers speak first the truth and then error, to cover their own sins which they love. Therefore I exhort and command you to study the Scriptures relative to seducing spirits, for this is one of the great dangers of these last days.

    I desire you to be firmly established in My word and not in the personalities of men, that you will not be moved as so many shall be moved. I would keep you in the paths of righteousness. Take heed to yourselves and follow not the seducing spirits that are already manifesting themselves. Diligently inquire of Me when you hear something that you have not seen in the word, and do not hold people’s persons in admiration, for it is by this very method that Satan will hold many of My people.

    The Way of Triumph
    I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly, that you may triumph where I triumphed. On the cross I triumphed over all the powers of Satan and I have called you to walk in the same path. It is when your life is on the cross that you shall know the victory that I have experienced. As you are on the cross, seated in Me, then you shall know the power of the resurrection. When I come in My Glory the principalities and powers in the heavenly places shall be utterly broken.

    Fear not, for I have given you the power whereby you may tread down the powers of darkness, and come forth victorious through every trial. As you are on the cross then you are victorious. It was on the cross that I triumphed over all the powers of the enemy. My life shall flow through as you enter into this precious truth. Look unto Me and appropriate My life. As your eyes and desires are toward Me and you know what it is to be crucified with Me, then you shall live and your anointing shall increase. It was not in My life as I walked upon the earth but rather it was in My life as I hung upon the cross that I openly spoiled principalities and powers.

    I am showing you truth that shall cause you to overcome, to have power over the wicked one, this is the truth that will liberate you and those around you. You shall know also the fellowship of My sufferings. There is no other way whereby you may partake of this heavenly glory and to reign with Me. My word says that If we suffer with Him we shall reign with Him. I desire to make this truth real within you. As you keep them before you, you will in turn liberate many who are in bondage. You will have revelation of those who are in darkness and will have the keys to liberate the captives. Many seek to liberate but do not have the keys. Upon the cross continually you will know the power of My resurrection.

    If you will indeed judge yourself you shall not be judged. As you seek My face and desire to be cleansed by Me in all truth and sincerity of heart, I will judge you in the secret place, and the things that are in the secret place of your heart shall not be made manifest to others. I will do it in the secret place and no man will know it. The shame that will be seen on many faces shall not be seen on your face. Therefore in mercy and love I am instructing you in order that you may partake of My Glory. As you are willing to walk with Me and rejoice in your sufferings, you shall in turn partake of My Glory. Look unto Me for you have need of power to overcome the wicked one and the bondage in others lives.
    I said that if a man will judge himself he shall not be judged. It is not My good pleasure that the shame of My people be seen by all.How can I judge the world if I judge not first My own house? Hearken unto these things that I am telling you, for if you will not hearken unto Me thy shame shall be evident to all.

    God’s Part and Our Part
    I would have you consider My life on earth — the anointing upon Me was great and yet the temptations were great on every side; they came in one form and then in another, offering Me first the glory of the kingdoms of the earth and then in the form of reviling and persecution. There will be great glory given to My people but also the temptations will be intensified on every side. Think not that with the glory there shall be no temptations or persecutions. The glory to My church shall be great and so also the temptations from the enemy to turn My people from My paths. I warn you again that when the glory shall be manifested the temptations shall be great until very few that started shall finish the course.
    First of all they shall be offered great worldly possessions and then will come great reviling and unbelief.

    Consider your Lord, that as He walked so it shall be for you. There shall be need of great intensity of purpose. At times it will seem that everyone is rising up against you, trying to turn you from the course that I have set for you. It is written of Me that I set my face as flint to go in the direction that My Father had prescribed for Me. If you will finish the course the Lord has laid down for you, you too will have to set your face as a flint. With great determination you must walk in the course laid down for you.

    Many of your loved ones and those who follow with you will seek to persuade you and try to turn you from the course. With many words that seem right in the natural they will speak to you. Did not Christ rebuke Peter who would turn Him from the course God had prescribed?
    Understand these two things and meditate upon them solemnly — the persecution and the darkness shall be as great as the glory in order to try to turn the elect and the anointed ones from the path the Lord has laid down for them. Many shall start but few shall be able to finish because of the greatness of grace that shall be needed to be able to endure unto the end. The temptation and the persecution of your Lord was continuous. He was tempted by Satan in many forms throughout His entire life and even to the cross where the ungodly cried out ‘if thou be the Christ come down from the cross’. Think not that there will be a time of no persecution, for it shall be from the time of your anointing until the end. Difficulties and great persecution will go on to the end. The Lord must prepare you to be an overcomer in all things, that you may be able to finish the course. The persecution shall increase even as the anointing shall increase.
    In paths of judgment and righteousness shall the Lord God lead His people and bring them into that place which He has chosen for them. The Lord has chosen a place for His people, a place of righteousness and holiness where He shall encamp around them. All who will be led of the Lord will be brought into this holy place. For the Lord delights to dwell in His people and to manifest Himself through His people. The holiness of the Lord will be manifested through His people. Let the Lord lead you and He will lead you in the difficult places. He led His people of old through a place where no man dwelt, where no man passed through, in a place of great danger and in the shadow of death. The Lord will indeed lead His people again through such places, and at the same time will bring them out into a place of great glory. Understand that the way toward the glory is fraught with great danger and many shall fall to the right or the left, many shall camp on lesser ground. But the Lord has a place of holiness and no unclean thing shall dwell among His people.
    Put your trust in Him and He will bring you into a place of holiness. He desires to bring His people into a great glory — the likes of which has never been seen, for this is what the Lord will do for those who put their trust in Him. It is a place of darkness and great danger and it will separate His people into the place where He would have them walk. He will protect them from the voices that would turn them from His path. He will bring them through the dark places and treacherous paths and lead them out into the light of His glory. He will rejoice greatly over His beloved and cause them to be filled with joy unspeakable. He seeks to lead His people into a new place of grace and glory where He will indeed encamp among them. Put your trust in Him and He will surely bring you into this new place.

    Fear not the days to come, but fear this only — that you shall walk in a manner pleasing to the Lord. In this time I am ordering and setting up My church and it shall indeed be pure, without spot or wrinkle. I will do a work in My beloved that has not been seen since the foundation of the world. I have shown you these things that you may seek the Lord diligently with all your heart, and that you may be a preserver of His people.

    Run not to this one or that one for the Lord has so ordained that salvation is in Him and in Him alone. You shall not turn to this shepherd or to that one, for there shall be a great scattering upon the earth. Therefore look unto Him for He will indeed make these things clear to you. You shall not look here or there, for His Wells shall increase your strength and your faith as He prepares you for the times that are coming.
    The truth that I have revealed to you must become a part of you — not just an experience, but a part of your very nature. Is it not written that I demand truth in the inward parts? It is the truth of the Lord expressed in your very being that shall hold you.

    Many shall experience the truth but the truth must become a part of you, your very life. As men and women look upon you they will hear not only the voice but see the expression of the truth. Many shall be overcome because they are not constant in My ways and because they have not permitted the truth to become a part of them. I am showing you these things that you may be prepared, and having done all, to stand. “

  50. ValleyAnt May 21st 2015

    Mark L. Pavlot, the prophecy said, “The minister of righteousness shall be on this wise — his LIFE shall agree with the word… The deceivers speak first the truth and then error, to cover their own sins which they love.” (Caps mine.) This is exactly how you discern who is a true or false minister:

    1.) A genuine man/woman of God will reflect in their ‘lives’ the Word they preach. ‘Lives’ here is much greater than actions. Anyone can act and talk and pretend and perform and seem righteous. ‘Life’, on the other hand, is everything regarding a person– the actions and words that issue from the inside of the person, not just the surface: “By their fruits, you will recognize them.” The minister who ACTS righteous but is false is like the man who goes to work and clocks in; after so many hours, he clocks out and goes home, retiring from work. He only works (ministers, acts, performs) on certain days, at certain times, in a certain environment. The minister who IS righteous and true is like a man who goes to work, clocks in, and throws out his time card, having devoted himself to the company to work 24/7. Jesus said that no one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the Kingdom. A false minister will be ‘godly’ only at certain times; godliness will not issue from his inward being: “Surely, You desire truth (integrity, righteousness) in the INWARD parts” (Ps. 51:6). God desires good works to issue from the inside, not to simply be on the outside. A true minister will be godly at all times; the Life of Jesus will emanate or issue from him whether he is preaching the Word or working a secular job or grocery shopping. This is never true of a false minister whose ‘anointing’ only comes out in ‘Christian’ environments. This is what it means that “by their fruits (the life that issues from within, not the life that is simply observed on the surface and in public) you will RECOGNIZE them.”

    2.) False ministers cover their sins “which they love.” It never ceases to amaze me that God has set laws up in such a way that no one can bypass them. If a minister loves sin, it will actually be evident on the surface no matter how many powerful works and words issue from him. The thing is that people are accustomed to judging by the outward and noticing the louder or more pronounced traits in people and in their environment; therefore, if a minister is constantly preaching fiery words or performing genuine miracles, most people stop right there and look no further, thinking, “This is definitely a true man of God.” Simon of Samaria deceived the people the same way: because his ‘miracles’ were the loud and apparent part of him, people didn’t think to look closer and called him, “the great power of God.” We are the same today, even when we are Christians. If a minister loves sin, it doesn’t matter how he tries to hide it; it will always show on the surface (though one must stop following ministers and signs if they will take note of such things). It will be like a bad smell (it is his character, and you can’t go anywhere without that) that is always issuing from him no matter the circumstance. And if a minister is walking with God, it will always show on the outside also, even if it is hidden. Jesus, hidden from recognition, preached to the men on the road to Emmaus. When He revealed Himself, then the burning in their hearts made sense to them. Though He was hidden, His righteousness was not. So it is with ministers who are true and ministers who are false. Their righteousness and unrighteousness will always (always) be evident for those who will look beyond outward noise and things.

    “Fruits”, if that had to be translated into one singular word, means ‘character’. One’s personality can hide their character to the undiscerning, but the character (fruit) is always ‘manifest’ or evident on the surface. The character (fruit) of the Spirit is Love (etc.), and the fruits of the flesh are “manifest” as Paul said. Jesus was right when He said, “By their fruits (inner character which MUST manifest on the outside in spite of every attempted cover-up), you WILL recognize them.”

  51. Hi everyone,
    Please, please before you comment look at the website http://www.heavensphysics.com and prepare to be utterly shocked.
    Andrew and I have been in lengthy discussion over this.
    I have spoken to people who thought Bill Johnson and Bethel were fine until they visited the site and saw the blatant deception.
    Occultic and new age beliefs and practises are touted as lost treasures and signposts etc to the church.
    Be assured the book is way worse than the sites promotion.
    Don’t take my word for it … please be on guard and look for yourself at the website and comment.
    I think many of you will say that Andrews not said enough as to how bad this really is.
    For lack of a better term I think its like spiritual adultery for any christian to indulge in these things…. aren’t we meant to be the temple of the Holy Spirit and to have nothing to do with the works of darkness and not to even speak of those things done in darkness.
    In the New Testment people who became Christians who had formerly been in the occult took their witchcraft books, piled them up and burnt them.
    They didnt search (the books) for so called treasure because they knew they were full of satanic lies.
    Would anyone be keen to hear and see more about all the matters raised by Andrew and myself.

    God bless,
    [email protected],com

  52. His Truth is marching on May 21st 2015

    You are absolutely right Andrew and bless you for your warnings, and for so many true words in the comments as well, praise the Lord. I feel quite at home and in agreement with many here. And so this is what eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil leads to…….new age in any of its various apparitions and forms, soon to all join together as one, in rebellion and defiance of Almighty God…..Satan’s last stand. That Tree is in the midst of the very Garden in which we browse and find our spiritual food. God put it in there to test our hearts and expose the iniquity within, to “find” it in us…..where it says concerning Adam and Eve,”til iniquity was found in them” and this is why churchgoers as well as even overt new agers, Freemasons etc, are able to use and even revere the bible. But let the Lord Jesus take our thoughts captive, that our very thoughts be of His and rightly divided truth, and submitted to Him alone.

  53. Hi all,

    I have spoken with Constance Cumbey author of the 1983 #1best selling book “The Hidden Dangers Of The Rainbow, The New Age Movement And Our Coming Age Of Barbarism”.
    Constance being both a Christian and Attorney of Law was the first to my knowleadge to write a ground breaking book exposeing the New Age movement and its plans, she was featured on radio and news right across America as a result.
    She wrote a second book “A Planned Deception, The Stageing Of A New Age Messiah” .
    Given her long expert knowledge of the New Age movement and its plans I have asked her to read a copy of “The Physics of Heaven” etc, and hope to get some worthwhile comments from her on its contents.
    You may ask why have I asked Constance?.
    Because this is the first time ever I have seen to this degree a prominent Church movement and its leaders (Bill Johnson, Bethel Church and Jesus Culture) that have the ears of millions of Christians, promoteing dreadfull New Age thinking and practises in a book.

    God bless,
    [email protected]

  54. Sue Walsh May 21st 2015

    His truth is marching on, consider this:

    The story of Adam and Eve.

    Rather than seeing them as literal people consider who they represent prophetically. It is the groom and the bride. This will help you understand the deception around us and that it has been planned right from the beginning.

    The words, “Woman” and “Man” are both capitalized in translations, KJV, NKJV, and NASB. “Woman” in Hebrew, אִשָּׁה (‘isha’) , also means “wife,” and “Man,” אִישׁ (‘ish’) , “husband.”

    What they live is actually a parable. As we know Yeshua reveals the secrets of the kingdom of God to His bride through parables. Luke 8 and Matthew 13.

    Consider the three stages of the parable/prophecy

    Prophecy 1 – The beginning – Salvation (Death and Resurrection, and the Complete Bride) – Gen 2:21-22

    Prophecy 2 – The Serpent and Sin of the Bride – Gen 3:1-7

    Prophecy 3 – The Judgment (How it ends) – Gen 3:15-16

    Stage 2 shows you the deception in the church we are taking about. The bride is urged to come out of it as we know..

    So in the eating from the tree of good evil you are talking about prophecy 2. The bride’s sin or rebellion.. She worshipped idols and consumed false doctrine…

    In other words Adam’s wife, Eve, commits sin being seduced by Satan just as Yeshua’s Bride, Israel, commits sin being seduced by Satan through idolising man and eating the false teaching of seed of the serpent teachers etc, which is (harlotry – Kabbalah).

    The Father tells clearly what will happen in Ezekiel 34. He’ll rescue the bride from the deception, if she listens.

    The good news is Adam willingly takes the sin of His wife by eating the fruit, and dies with her just as Yeshua willingly takes on His wife’s sin and dies for her.

    Genesis 3 v

    2 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

    As the word says a women can only remarry if her husband dies.. Yeshua fulfilled that promise so that whore worshipping bride, who had been widowed by his death, could repent which actually means return, and return to the truth and remarry her groom.

    Then they will be one stick and one new man, reunited in the New Jerusalem.

    Interesting when you dig…and allow the Father to show you..

    I love this verse:

    Proverbs 25 ( consider the kings to be the royal priesthood we are told we belong too)

    2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
    to search out a matter is the glory of kings.

    This is a great read, you’ll recognise much of what I write..

    http://olivetjournal.com/parables-decoded-1b-parable-adam-eve/

    Sue

  55. Sue Walsh May 21st 2015

    Hello again,

    The articles below expose many ministries and false teachers.

    The writer teaches us how to recognise the deception. And for no money at all! It is free!

    Bill Johnson is listed along with C Peter Wagner, they are part of the New Apostolic Reformation cohort.

    Index (in alphabetical order of the people listed here):

    119 Ministries; Benny Hinn; Bill Johnson; Billy Graham; C. Peter Wagner; Carter Conlon; Catholic Popes and Priests; Charles Stanley; Chuck Missler; Chuck Pierce; Cindy Jacobs; DAYSTAR; Creflo Dollar; David Jeremiah; David Wilkerson; Dutch Sheets; Ed Young, Sr.; Fritz Springmeier; Gary Spearman; Jack van Impe; James Robison; Jerry Savelle; Jesse Duplantis; Jim Staley; Jimmy Evans; Joel Osteen; John Hagee; John Paul Jackson; John S. Torell; Jonathan Bernis; Jonathan Cahn; Joseph Prince; Joyce Meyer; Kenneth Copeland; Kenneth E. Hagin; Kirt Schneider; Mark Biltz; Mike Hoggard; Pat Robertson; Paula White; Perry Stone; Randy Clark; Randy White; Rick Joyner; Rick Warren; Robert Morris; Rod Parsley; Sid Roth; TBN; TD Jakes

    http://olivetjournal.com/false-ministries-2-occult-hand-signs/

    INDEX (Alphabetical Order)

    Alex Jones  Anita Fuentes  Bayless Conley  Beth Moore  Bill Schnoebelen  Christine Caine  Creflo Dollar  Ed Young  Guillermo Maldonado  Irvin Baxter  Jeff Schreve  Jefferson Bethke  Joel Osteen  Joel Richardson  John Bevere  Jonathan Bernis  Kay Arthur  Kirt Schneider  LA Marzulli  Lou Engle  Mike Bickle  Paul McGuire  Paula White  Ravi Zacharias  Reinhard Bonnke  Robert Kayanja  Rod Parsley  Russ Dizdar  Samuel Rodriguez  Walid Shoebat

    http://olivetjournal.com/false-ministries-2-occult-hand-signs-part-2/

  56. Andrew you are gathering a group of dissenters.
    I wonder if you have made an attempt to go to Bethel
    or approach the leaders there. Matt. 18
    We are all so good at reducing other leaders to ash.
    The ministry they provide there is producing fruit.
    Is your ministry perfect? Have you never said things that God
    told you not to say, but in the flesh you did?
    I am saddened by the “lets jump on the band wagon of condemnation”
    This ministry has made an impact on our lives to love Jesus more.
    Go to Bethel and see the fruit.

  57. I went to an open heavens conference at Bethel in the fall of 2013. I saw or found nothing that was unscriptural and disturbing. There was a fellow earlier on in this post who said that walking in signs and wonders is only for a select few according to 1 Corinthians 12. That is totally incorrect, not sure how he came to that conclusion. But regarding excess or error in Bill Johnson’s ministry, I have found none so far. I haven’t read the most recent book that apparently talks about New Age phenom, although I believe there is measurable data within physics that can explain certain supernatural events. But if these facts or data take our eyes off of Jesus, then error could certainly enter in. If if I could, please be careful all you so called truth and justice seekers and ones who feel it’s their responsibility to let the whole world know your opinion about whatever you find as error in certain people or ministries, be careful that you don’t get judged even as you judge others

  58. Please, brothers and sisters, most of us agree that some of what is being indulged and taught at Bethel Church is not of the God of the Bible. As I wrote way above, I left this church years ago for that reason. But wouldn’t the Lord want us to pray and pray hard for our brothers and sisters that are caught in deception?

    Here’s the thing, when you are attending this church, there is a twisted explanation of everything that goes on. You will never be able to pin them down because they believe wholeheartedly that every single thing is from God Himself. And if you try to bring things to their attention, you will be labeled and mistrusted–not the mark of a healthy congregation.

    The brother above says to “go to Bethel and see the fruit”. Well, I saw the fruit with my own eyes. Yes, some good works, but a lot of confusion. I’d say mostly because the whole thing went wrong when they based everything on dreams and visions rather than the Scripture. Not that the Lord doesn’t use these methods, but must be backed by Scripture.

    I do pray wholeheartedly that they will see their error. I know God is able to deliver.

  59. Andrew May 21st 2015

    PLEASE – before you comment – look at the official website for that ‘New Age’ Bethel book. You will be stunned. Here it is-

    http://heavensphysics.com/chapters/

    Bless you!

    Andrew Strom

  60. Hi Wanda (and everybody),

    Thanks for your testimony.
    I see Brent and Lloyd are quick to judge those who they consider are judgeing.
    I wish they would check out http://www.heavensphysics.com which is the premotional site for “The physics of heaven” Bethel authored book before commenting.
    The bible is littered with people who seemingly were on track and then went off the rails and vice se versa.
    The point I am trying to make is that no person apart from the Lord should be relied apon to be consistant.
    Thats why we are to discern and judge all things spiritual.
    When people are looking into the occult,witchcraft and new age as stated and promoted in their book “the physics in heaven” they have gone off the rails.
    Bill Johnson and those Bethel leaders are decieved in doing so.
    No one is speculateing they make it absolutely clear in the book what they are doing.
    Also of note Bill Johnson has at the end of April 2015 rebuked his star Bethel student Jason Westerfield … for operateing in a false demonic impartation (and Jason seems to be doing just what is oromoted by them in the book).
    Does Bill rebuke his wife and students for the practise of laying on the graves of dead saints to soak up the anointing (as they put it).
    Anyway check things out dont take our word for it see their own words in their book, facebook and posts etc … I have.
    Saul was king and then sort out a witch rather than God… what was the outcome… the Word of God is very clear on the matter..Don’t have any thing to do with witchcraft and the occult ever!.

    Kind regards in Jesus Christ,
    Grant
    [email protected]

  61. What I say is from a place of being deeply grieved about these people who are deceived themselves and being used to deceive others. I don’t think any true Christian takes delight in exposing these things. Secondly, these people are deceived into not listening to correction. Look at Rick Joyner, and Todd Bentley. They are blinded by the prince of darkness. From the very first sight of Bill Johnson, in the early 2000’s, I knew he was a pretender. The very first time I saw Todd Bentley on Daystar being interviewed by the Lambs, back in 2001, I saw the demons in his eyes. He was talking about people getting healed when he prayed for them. He talked of how he received the anointing and I knew he was counterfeit. The same is true of John Paul Jackson. To me, these people are very obvious pretenders.
    I am deeply troubled when Christians cannot and do not discern the lying, seducing spirits. Why? Because they are being deceived. Their spirits are being contaminated by demons and that causes curses of all kinds to come upon them. And, ultimately they risk loosing their souls. The bible states, “The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit” as to counterfeits.
    The anointing comes with a severe price. It is very costly. It isn’t easily obtained “at will.” One is subject to the Holy Spirit’s will. He moves as He wills. You can’t turn it on and off. You can’t move in and out of the third heavens or see angels readily or at will. That is astro-projection, and demons who come as angels of light! That is occultism.
    Stop and ask yourself, “What is the great apostasy” the bible speaks of? What will be the great falling away? Jesus said that even the very elect was at risk to be deceived. There is also a scripture in Ezekiel that states God will divide the sheep from the sheep! The anti-christ will be one who deceives through sorcery. The other disturbing thing is there are so many of these deceivers that are legitized, would confronting them be possible? May God have mercy on is all.

  62. Sadly some people think that those who are warning others are just anti Holy Spirit gifts etc, but this is just not true, I think most people here would agree that the Lord still does miracles. However, Jesus warned us warns THREE separate times in Matthew 24 ALONE that many false prophets will arise and will mislead many and in His love for us He really wanted His followers to get this!! Matt 24 v 24 ” For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible even the elect. ” Look out! The tragedy is so many young people are being caught up in this and deceived. It is possible to get out of it, but it is a terrible trap. How do you try to deceive the elect? You appear as an angel of light with signs and wonders and say all the right things then use that cover to do do your dirty work. As Wanda said it is confusing. We don’t want to condemn fellow Christians but the people are just pawns- it is the devil pulling the strings.

  63. Hi Andrew,
    May I first offer congratulations to your daughter on her blessed day! May bride and groom have many long and spiritually prosperous days together!

    I have just one short comment to make about this book and all that we see that resembles such activity: if Christ is not the focus – if we are not spiritually one with Christ and with Father God, if the agenda we pursue is that of man instead of doing God’s will to magnify and grow His purpose for all humanity, then it is of the devil. It is a counterfeit. It is of, by and for man. I will not even dignify such by calling it “another gospel” – because it is so far remote from the will and purpose of God. Any word or activity should glorify God – not ourselves or other men. If we glorify God and Christ, then we too are glorified – and blessed.

  64. Alan Heron May 22nd 2015

    One of the most sure ways to discern whether or not someone is walking in the (Holy) Spirit, is to listent to what they say and teach about Jesus Christ, because Jesus told us that the Holy Spirit will speak not of himself, but of Jesus (Jo.16:13).
    Bill Johnson teaches (emphatically and many times over) that Jesus did NOT perform any miracles as God, but as a man in right relationship with God. Bill says that Jesus had NO power of His own while here on Earth, only that which the Father gave Him through the Holy Spirit.
    I don’t have time to do more than post this quick comment, but what Bill Johnson preaches about Jesus Christ, is called ‘Kenosis’ and I urge everyone to look it up, as it is NOT a Biblically sound doctrine and it has been refuted from scripture by many, many, people throughput the last 20 centuries.

    Once you grasp the fact that this is a demonic doctrine and that Bill Johnson teaches it, the rest of the picture is pretty easy to see.

    To those who defend BJ, please do some simple research into his teaching on the most important person of all; our Lord and Saviour. What you will find reveals that the ‘Jesus’ BJ talks about is the same as the ‘Jesus’ the New Age talks about and not the Jesus revealed in scripture as unchanging; the same, yesterday, today, and forever.

  65. Please, let us pray for Bill Johnson and Bethel and all of those being deceived by an anti-christ spirit and let us continually ask the Lord for wisdom, discernment and humility to be able to discern good from evil for we are certainly going to need it as these days get darker.

  66. His Truth is marching on May 22nd 2015

    Sue……the question for me is to search my heart and ask myself, which glory am I seeking, God’s glory or the glory of kings? Consider that the very definition of occult is hidden knowledge. In other words there is knowledge we can search out that comes from the wrong Tree. The Lord showed me one time to see how Solomon for all his knowledge it led to a bad end. Though it may have been in type only, a living parable of the kind of Wisdom that we seek……….which is the Person of Christ for He is the Tree of Life and He alone is what we should seek. His word and knowledge is a light unto our path…in other words He gives us what we need when we need it as we walk along in Him. It is not for us to know everything for the sake of knowing everything, but to understand what God gives us to understand and what we need to understand either for our own walk or to help others along with theirs.

    Knowledge can lead us very far astray, when it is of a sort that takes our eyes off Jesus and onto itself and only serves to exalt self. It can begin small but lead to going very far off course all the way to perdition. The deception that is under discussion on this board right now began with just a little bit of leaven, that was left unchecked and blossomed and grew into what we now see.

    Adam and Eve were real people………see how they are mentioned in genealogies, along with their very real children. And it says in the epistles that Eve was deceived but not Adam. Though there are living parables in their story which was written for our instruction.

    I pray there is something in there that is helpful. Your sister in Christ, Therese.

  67. L. Alex Smith May 22nd 2015

    To Alan Heron: I am not defending B. Johnson, but your allegation in this case is incorrect. Jesus, NOT Bill Johnson, himself said, “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do, for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19). When he forgave the sins of the paralytic let down through the ceiling, the Pharisees said, “Who can forgive sins, but God only?” (Mark 2:7) But Jesus replied to them, “So that you will know that the Son of MAN has been given Authority to forgive sins… I say unto you [to the paralytic] take up your bed and walk.” (Mark 2:10) So whatever spiritual errors Bill Johnson is into, this theological observation isn’t one of them. And to “His Truth…” when you said that Eve was deceived, but Adam was not– you are correct… BUT, Adam was right there WITH Eve, “…gave to her husband WITH HER” (Genesis 3:6)… so, apparently, although Eve was DECEIVED into sinning– ADAM blatantly CHOSE to sin with his wife rather than to Trust God 1)either to “fix” Eve, or 2) or maybe “make him a new one” ! He chose rather to join with her in her sin. That’s WHY it is called “Adam’s Sin”… not so much “Eve’s sin”. Just something to think about.

  68. His Truth is marching on May 22nd 2015

    The discussion about new age is one that is very much needed. It is shocking to many of us here to see blatant new age in the church…..but I think the reason those on the inside of new age churches can’t see it for what it is, is because they have been slowly steeping in it for years. It began small and gradually increased and so now they are comfortable with something which to us is a horrible affront to the holiness of God. This is why the apostles were always constantly addressing any little leaven, before it had a chance to leaven the whole lump.

    As it happens I have just returned from a funeral for a friend of my son’s and it was a woman minister in black robe with white collar who conducted the service………who along with a mention of God also mentioned Buddhism and some “how-to” instructions about one of its practices. No hymns were sung, and no prayers to God other than a rote Lord’s Prayer at the end. The name of Jesus was not mentioned at all. Thankfully one of the dead boy’s acquaintances had learned a little bagpipe and played a couple of hymns as his own personal farewell to his friend. That was the only light in the darkness in that awful empty comfortless service. It also came out that the whole family seems to be involved in this kind of new age belief system and that the boy had died while participating in a new age drug rehab program….he had relapsed and overdosed tragically.

    It looks to me that new age has steadily moved into the vacuum left by rejecting Christ and true Christianity and that the devil is playing for keeps to kill or take captive the descendants of Christians here in the western formerly Christian nations. The sad fact is that new age is now mainstream in both churches and secular society……..and it’s poisonous fruits are being reaped in all kinds of cursings. I see how desperate the situation is now and that the gospel has never been more badly needed since our ancestors were pagans and Druids, and i pray the Lord of the harvest to take pity on our peoples and send forth labourers into his harvest fields, because how can they go lest He send them.

  69. His Truth is marching on May 22nd 2015

    Sue………I was tired this morning when I responded to your comments and forgot to say the most important thing, that the Tree of Life is Christ and the gospel – simply Christ and the gospel – and not knowledge of anything other than that, and in knowing Christ is all the knowledge we need. I have stepped in dung-pile after dung-pile in my walk, only to finally by God’s grace to see the light that knowledge leads us astray of our first love, and is no help to anybody. The gospel is our first love and we should just stick with that. It is the only answer for anyone, just Jesus Christ and Him crucified, and our lives submitted to Him, not knowledge. Just think, our thoughts are to be taken captive by Christ, not “expanded” by knowledge.

    Where it talks about and extols the seeking of knowledge and wisdom in the Old Testament, I believe it is a type of seeking the knowledge of Christ. Just like the temporal riches in the Old Testament were only a type of the spiritual riches in Christ.

    Bless you sister, just wanting that you and anyone would avoid the mistakes that I have made.

  70. His Truth is marching on May 22nd 2015

    L. Alex Smith….just to clarify, I was only trying to prove the reality of Adam and Eve by quoting that verse, not at all trying to make any comment or assertion about who sinned or who was at fault and how. That could be a topic for another day though, you never know. Bless you.

  71. Hi Alex,

    Good point about Adam and Eve.
    So then Bill Johnson will have no excuse for not rebukeing his wife for publicly promoteing unholy acts like, lying on graves to suck up anointings.
    But then they both encourage people to look into the new age,occult etc for lost knowledge or treasures as their book “The Physics of Heaven” advocates.
    Shouldn’t bells be ringing amongst the wakey wakey followers that this is just the same knowkedge satan promised would be given by the forbidden tree in the garden of Eden, but then they are convinced they get new revelations that supercedes the scriptures because their god is doing a new thing.
    People have to have a healthy respect for the Word of God to avoid deception and deceivers.
    And for clarification I am a born again Holy Spirit filled, tongues talking christian who moves in the gifts and practises deliverence…. I just didn’t think it would have been possible that so many people claiming to be christian would be inviteing spirits into their lives today that we used to cast out yesterday.

    Regards,
    Grant
    [email protected]

  72. Alan Heron May 23rd 2015

    L Alex Smith,

    I’m not sure where your comments about Adam and Eve fit into an attempt at refuting my remarks about Bill Johnson’s Kenotic heresy, but despite your ‘proof-texts’ showing that he is in line with scripture, you are incorrect. We are told to take in the whole counsel of scripture, which means we must take all the texts on a given subject into account when we are investigating such things as the Incarnation.

    The heresy of Kenosis is exactly that; a heresy, and it has been shown to be a completely unscriptural doctrine by many scholars of God’s word throughout history, which absolutely defines it as heretical. I won’t go to the lengths possible to show how far from the truth revealed in God’s word Kenotic theory is, for the sake of brevity, but here is a brief rundown of scriptural truth about the nature of Jesus Christ, the God-man.

    The Bible states very clearly and emphatically, that Jesus Christ IS Almighty God and therefore cannot diminish Himself in any way, at any time, for any reason.
    God cannot ever be less than totally God and as the Bible tells us that ‘in Him dwelleth (continually present tense) ALL the fulness of the Godhead’ (Col.2:9), that would mean that Jesus could NEVER, EVER, AT ANY TIME, have been ‘merely a man in right relationship with God’, as Bill Johnson puts it.

    The Bible says that ALL creation is maintained by Him:-

    Col.1:17
    And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    If He ever, for even a brief instant, ceased to be the Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent Creator, Creation would cease to exist.

    It also says that He is Eternal and unchanging:-

    Heb.13:8
    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

    We are told that God is ‘immutable’ in Hebrews 6:13-18. ‘Immutable’, according to Webster’s Dictionary means:-

    ‘Not mutable; not capable or susceptible of change; unchangeable; unalterable.’

    The Bible also attests to this fact of God’s nature:-

    Mal.3:6
    For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed .

    The Bible does NOT teach that Jesus was powerless to do anything, but it does teach that Jesus submitted Himself to the Father’s authority, as those verses you quoted attest. There is a VAST difference between those two positions.

    Bill Johnson also teaches the abhorrent doctrine of Jesus dying spiritually and needing to be born again. This is absolutely false, as God’s word says that He was sinless and that no corruption touched Him. BJ also teaches that Jesus could not raise Himself from the dead, but that contradicts Jesus’ own words:-

    John.10:17-18
    17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    Bill Johnson is one of the most dangerously deceptive false prophets in the world today, as his teachings on the person of Jesus Christ are an exact replica of the teachings of Helena Blavatsky, Annie Besant, and Alice A. Bailey, all of whom were occultists. Blavatsky was the founder of the Theosophical Society and Besant was a disciple, as was Bailey, who coined the term; New Age. Their teachings about the person of Jesus of Nazareth all speak of a man, who became ‘an ascended Master’, by which they mean that He ATTAINED Godhood.

    Johnson’s Christology insists that it wasn’t until Jesus was baptised and the Holy Spirit descended on Him that He was anointed of God. This Word of Faith heresy had it’s birth in the teachings of E. W. Kenyon in the 19th century, who was educated at an institution riddled with teachings such as those promoted by Blavatsky, et al. He is the one who popularised the teaching that Jesus had to go to Hell for thee days and be tortured by Satan and his demons to accomplish our salvation (spiritual death teaching). This is ridiculous for so many reasons, but firstly Jesus told the penitent thief that that day he would be with Jesus in Paradise, NOT Hell. Also, when Jesus uttered the words; “It is finished!”, the veil in the Temple was torn, symbolically removing the barrier between God and men. His words also mean; “All is accomplished”. There is NO Biblical justification for the idea that Jesus’ death on the cross didn’t accomplish atonement for the sins of the world.

    All this is by the by, but Jesus is God and He is man and there has never been a time when He was ‘powerless’, or lacking in any way. To teach otherwise is false.

    This is quite easily researched, but the Bible teaches us that Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at one and the same time. How that works out is beyind my grasp, but I accept it as true, because God’s word says it.
    The theory of Kenosis that Johnson espouses reduces Jesus (at least for SOME part of His earthly life) to that of a mere man, without any divine power at all. The Bible does NOT teach this!

    (Thankyou for the great work Andrew, keep it up!)

  73. L. Alex Smith May 23rd 2015

    Alan, Great Scott! I was aware of some of this false teaching (Blatavsky, Kenyon, etc.) but did not know that Johnson meant it in that sense! I was only going on your comment about it. When you say that he believes that Jesus wasn’t anointed until he was baptised and the Spirit of God came upon him… I wonder how he gets around Luke 2:11 where the angel tells the sheperds “…unto you is born this day in the city of David, a Saviour, which is Christ (the Anointed One) the Lord.” However, I don’t see that “By Itself” that whether he was always Anointed (but didn’t use it) or whether he was titled “the Anointed One” but didn’t receive it until his baptism… by itself, it makes little difference. What DOES make a difference is whether B. Johnson believes that Jesus was ONLY a man anointed by God, or whether he was a man, AND God at the same time. Jesus said, “…if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24) and in 8:58 said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” Isaiah said, that his name shall be “… the mighty God, the everlasting Father…” (Isa. 9:6) and John wrote “this is the true God, even Jesus Christ” (I John 5:20) and Paul wrote “looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.” (Titus 2:13) So HOW does he get around all these and is his belief system REALLY that Jesus is only a man and NOT God at the same time– or is that perhaps a mis-representation of what he is actually saying? (I only want to give the benefit of the doubt here, so as to not impune someone on subjects which may be neutral.)

  74. Hi Alan and Alex,

    B Johnsons following and fans would hotly challenge that he teaches Kenosis.
    I have found that with one person who strongly disagreed that he taught Kenosis and thought Bill was great turned completely around when I showed them http://www.heavensphysics.com seeing the full blown occultic new age teaching promoted.by Bethel leaders.
    Their discription of reading the first few pages of the book was “deception”.
    Really you will find hardly anyone who wouldnt say exactly the same thing because its so blatantly wrong..

    God bless,
    Grant
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  75. A great wave of deception is coming, a fake revival, which will start with a flood of FALLEN ANGELS appearing as angels of light across churches in the USA

  76. FOLLOWED BY OCCULT MIRACLES WHICH WILL CONVINCE MANY THAT GOD IS MOVING, AT FIRST.

  77. Also New Age occult based healings. Recieve these and ones soul will start relying on witchcraft tp remain well and the fruit will be evil motivations entering ones heart. Id rather stay ill thanks.

  78. Andrew May 23rd 2015

    Isn’t that just what we’ve had for the last 20 years, Steve?

    -Andrew

  79. Hi Andrew,

    Totally agree with you but its only now that people are really starting to recognise it because of the obvoius fruit, discerning the spirit at the begining and speacking out about it would have done much more sooner but then the “judge not” crowd influenced many to keep silent or waterdown anything they said.
    Never under estimate mans need for acceptance and popularity… its slowed down the preaching of the Gospel for 2000years.
    The Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost bought boldness…. something rarely found evident today.

    God Bless
    Grant
    [email protected]